Magazine/website/record store BEST OF 2011 end-of-year list pile-up

They're starting to dribble out already so let's round them up here.

Paste magazine, I am lolling @ u

http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2011/11/the-50-best-albums-of-2011.html

50. Frank Turner – England Keep My Bones
49. Mates of State – Mountaintops
48. Drake – Take Care
47. Real Estate – Days
46. Holy Ghost! – Holy Ghost!
45. Those Darlins – Screws Get Loose
44. Kurt Vile – Smoke Ring For My Halo
43. The Joy Formidable – The Big Roar
42. Wild Flag – Wild Flag
41. James Blake – James Blake

40. Portugal. The Man – In The Mountain, In The Cloud
39. Foster the People – Torches
38. Over the Rhine – The Long Surrender
37. The War on Drugs – Slave Ambient
36. Mister Heavenly – Out Of Love
35. Childish Gambino – Camp
34. Seryn – This Is Where We Are
33. The Head and the Heart – The Head and the Heart
32. Ryan Adams – Ashes & Fire
31. Telekinesis – 12 Desperate Straight Lines

30. Tom Waits – Bad As Me
29. Feist – Metals
28. Lykke Li – Wounded Rhymes
27. Black Lips – Arabia Mountain
26. The Low Anthem – Smart Flesh
25. The Antlers – Burst Apart
24. TV on the Radio – Nine Types of Light
23. The Belle Brigade – The Belle Brigade
22. The Black Keys – El Camino
21. Charles Bradley – No Time For Dreaming

20. Beirut – The Rip Tide
19. Cults – Cults
18. Wye Oak – Civilian
17. The Civil Wars – Barton Hollow
16. Yuck – Yuck
15. Deer Tick – Divine Providence
14. Adele – 21
13. Radiohead – The King of Limbs
12. Iron & Wine – Kiss Each Other Clean
11. St. Vincent – Strange Mercy

10. The Decemberists – The King Is Dead
9. M83 – Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming
8. Dawes – Nothing Is Wrong
7. Wilco – The Whole Love
6. Dale Earnhardt Jr. Jr. – It’s A Corporate World
5. Middle Brother – Middle Brother
4. tUnE-yArDs – w h o k i l l
3. My Morning Jacket – Circuital
2. Fleet Foxes – Helplessness Blues
1. Bon Iver – Bon Iver

The fact mag countdown has started:

http://www.factmag.com/2011/11/28/50-best-albums-of-2011-50-41/

god help paste magazine if they really haven't heard any albums better than those 50

Yep, totally dismal

Songlines top ten albums

http://www.songlines.co.uk/world-music-news/2011/11/best-albums-of-2011/

Abigail Washburn - City of Refuge
Aurelio - Laru Beya
Carminho - Fado
Blind Note - Blind Note
Boban & Marko Markovic & Fanfare Ciocarlia - Balkan Brass Battle
Cecil Sharp Project - Cecil Sharp Project
Söndörgő - Tamburising
Dawda Jobarteh - Northern Light Gambian Night
Anda Union - The Wind Horse
Anoushka Shankar - Traveller

Rough Trade shop - top 100 albums

1 josh t pearson - last of the country gentlemen
2 nicolas jaar - space is only noise
3 kurt vile - smoke ring for my halo
4 gillian welch - the harrow and the harvest
5 pj harvey - let england shake
6 veronica falls - veronica falls
7 zomby - dedication
8 john maus - we must become the pitiless censors of ourselves
9 the head and the heart - the head and the heart
10 white hills - h-p1

11 sbtrkt - sbtrkt
12 lykke li - wounded rhymes
13 metronomy - the english riviera
14 calvi anna - anna calvi
15 bon iver - bon iver
16 pollyn - living in patterns
17 beirut - the rip tide
18 ema - past life martyred saints
19 cults - cults
20 balam acab - wander / wonder

21 ghostpoet - peanut butter blues and melancholy jam
22 lanterns on the lake - gracious tide take me home
23 drive by truckers - go-go boots
24 tom the lion - the adventures of tom the lion
25 civil wars - barton hollow
26 emmy the great - virtue
27 the low anthem - smart flesh
28 black lips - arabia mountain
29 seahawks - invisible sunrise
30 villalobos ricardo and max loderbauer - re: ecm

31 jeb loy - the jeb loy nichols special
32 wild beasts - smother
33 wild flag - wild flag
34 yuck - yuck
35 cook hollie - hollie cook
36 wooden shjips - west
37 waits tom - bad as me
38 tucek sarabeth - get well soon
39 still corners - creatures of an hour
40 dum dum girls - only in dreams

41 arctic monkeys - suck it and see
42 wilco - the whole love
43 the stepkids - the stepkids
44 washed out - within and without
45 the leisure society - into the murky water
46 carlyle mara - floreat
47 iceage - new brigade
48 dawes - nothing is wrong
49 blake james - james blake
50 the vaccines - what do you expect from the vaccines

51 peaking lights - 936
52 radiohead - king of limbs
53 azari and iii - azari and iii
54 danger mouse and daniele luppi - rome
55 male bonding - endless now
56 cashier no 9 - to the death of fun
57 the war on drugs - slave ambient
58 unknown mortal orchestra - unknown mortal orchestra
59 bjork - bibliophilia
60 cat's eyes - cat's eyes

61 moore thurston - demolished thoughts
62 little dragon - ritual union
63 king creosote and jon hopkins - diamond mine
64 the field - looping state of mind
65 fucked up - david comes to life
66 the decemberists - the king is dead
67 martyn - ghost people
68 flashman - to the victor - the spoils
69 wu lyf - go tell fire to the mountain
70 other lives - tamer animals

71 explosions in the sky - take care take care take care
72 cornershop ft. bubbley kaur - cornershop and the double 'o' groove
73 the felice brothers - celebration florida
74 dirty beaches - badlands
75 real estate - days
76 richmond fontaine - the high country
77 dury baxter - happy soup
78 she keeps bees - dig on
79 dark dark dark - wild go
80 planningtorock - w

81 pete and the pirates - one thousand pictures
82 kitty daisy and lewis - smoking in heaven
83 fleet foxes - helplessness blues
84 the horrors - skying
85 moon duo - mazes
86 big deal - lights out
87 locussolus - locussolus
88 new look - new look
89 kode 9 and the spaceape - black sun
90 beastie boys - hot sauce committee part two

91 woods - sun and shade
92 love inks - esp
93 summer camp - welcome to condale
94 jehst - the dragon of an ordinary family
95 i break horses - hearts
96 shabazz palaces - black up
97 big troubles - romantic comedy
98 neon indian - era extrana
99 tune-yards - whokill
100 tyler the creator - goblin

an improvement on the paste list but still way too much boring indie

also, a top 100 - who can even take that all in?

not me for a kick off.

The bottom 50 of a top 100 usually tends to be a lot more interesting to me than the top.

Because, if it's caused by voting listmaking, it means that at least 2 people have ~really~ loved something which was either ignored or loathed by everyone else. Which is the sign of a marmitey album that I might love more than the dull boring critical consensus ones.

it's true! someone needs to develop some sort of app for filtering out the dull consensus picks

just noticed that they mistitled the bjork album at 59 :)

i do not have the brain for this kind of list-making, but the frank ocean & colin stetson lps are on neither, & are interesting lps. i know that's picky but that they're reasonably highly thought of inside their non-indie-genres seems illuminating.

i'm fucking livid at that paste list

35. Childish Gambino – Camp

35. Childish Gambino

Childish Gambino

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DECIBEL EOY List:

1. Tombs - Path of Totality
2. Opeth- Heritage
3. Mastodon - The Hunter
4. In Solitude - The World. The Flesh. The Devil.
5. Brutal Truth- End Time
6. Hate Eternal - Phoenix Amongst the Ashes
7. YOB - Atma
8. 40 Watt Sun - The Inside Room
9. Inquisition - Ominous Doctrines of the Perpetual.......
10. Junius - Reports From The Threshold of Death
11. Graveyard - Hisingen Blues
12. Primordial - Redemption at the Puritan's Hand
13. Exhumed - All Guts, No glory
14. False - False
15. Autopsy - Macabre Eternal
16. Revocation - Chaos of Forms
17. Trap Them - Darker Handcraft
18. Obscura - Omnivium
19. Drugs of Faith - Corroded
20. Subrosa - No Help for the Mighty Ones
21. Ulcerate - The Destroyers of All
22. Fucked Up - David Comes to Life
23. Atriarch - Forever the End
24. Disma - Towards the Megalith
25. Moab - Ab Ovo
26. Gridlink - Orphan
27. Skeletonwitch - Forever Abomination
28. Vallenfyre - A Fragile King
29. Crowbar - Sever the Wicked Hand
30. Mournful Congregation - The Book of Kings
31. Machine Head - Unto the Locust
32. ABSU - Abzu
33. Negative Plane - Stained Glass Revelations
34. Origin - Entity
35. Darkest Era - The Last Caress of Light
36. Deafheaven - Roads to Judah
37. Hammers of Misfortune - 17th Street
38. Krallice - Diotima
39. Rwake - Rest
40. Graf Orlock - Doom Box

i'm fucking livid at that paste list

I can only assume you've never seen a Paste list before, since this is par for the shitty course.

THE FLY

01 - BURST APART - THE ANTLERS
02 - THE ENGLISH RIVIERA - METRONOMY
03 - SKYING - THE HORRORS
04 - DYE IT BLONDE - SMITH WESTERNS
05 - A DIFFERENT KIND OF FIX - BOMBAY BICYCLE CLUB
06 - LET ENGLAND SHAKE - PJ HARVEY
07 - SMOTHER - WILD BEASTS
08 - FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST - GIRLS
09 - WHAT DID YOU EXPECT FROM THE VACCINES _ THE VACCINES
10 - GLOSS DROP - BATTLES
11 - SMOKE RING FOR MY HALO - KURT VILE
12 - THE KING OF LIMBS - RADIOHEAD
13 - YUCK - YUCK
14 - PALA - FRIENDLY FIRES
15 - ANNA CALVI - ANNA CALVI
16 - WITHIN AND WITHOUT - WASHED OUT
17 - BON IVER - BON IVER
18 - JAMES BLAKE - JAMES BLAKE
19 - VERONICA FALLS - VERONICA FALLS
20 - CEREMONIALS - FLORENCE & THE MACHINE
21 - UNKNOWN MORTAL ORCHESTRA - UNKNOWN MORTAL ORCHESTRA
22 - DAYS - REAL ESTATE
23 - ARABIA MOUNTAIN - BLACK LIPS
24 - A CREATURE I DON´T KNOW - LAURA MARLING
25 - D - WHITE DENIM
26 - HAPPY SOUP - BAXTER DURY
27 - HELPLESSNESS BLUES - FLEET FOXES
28 - GO TELL FIRE TO THE MOUNTAIN - WU LYF
29 - NATIVE SPEAKER - BRAIDS
30 - GARDENS & VILLA - GARDENS & VILLA
31 - A THOUSAND HEYS - MAZES
32 - CADENZA - DUTCH UNCLES
33 - LAST NIGHT ON EARTH - NOAH & THE WHALE
34 - HOTEL SHAMPOO - GRUFF RHYS
35 - STRANGE MERCY - ST. VINCENT
36 - SUCK IT AND SEE - ARCTIC MONKEYS
37 - PAST-LIFE MARTYRED SAINTS - EMA
38 - WOUNDED RHYMES - LYKKE LI
39 - MIRROR TRAFFIC - STEPHEN MALKMUS & THE JICKS
40 - SBTRKT - SBTRKT
41 - SLAVE AMBIENT - THE WAR ON DRUGS
42 - MYLO XYLOTO - COLDPLAY
43 - BLACK UP - SHABAZZ PALACES
44 - CEREBRAL BALLZY - CEREBRAL BALLZY
45 - BUILD A ROCKET BOYS! - ELBOW
46 - ANGLES - THE STROKES
47 - PARADISE - SLOW CLUB
48 - VALHALLA DANCEHALL - BRITISH SEA POWER
49 - PASSIVE ME, AGRESSIVE YOU - THE NAKED AND THE FAMOUS
50 - THE BIG ROAR - THE JOY FORMIDABLE

Sonic (Swedish magazine) Albums

1. PJ Harvey - Let England Shake
2. Gillian Welch - The Harrow & the Harvest
3. My Morning Jacket - Circuital
4. Paul Simon - So Beautiful or So What
5. Lykke Li - Wounded Rhymes
6. James Blake - James Blake
7. Fleet Foxes - Helplessness Blues
8. Ryan Adams - Ashes & Fire
9. Tinariwen - Tassili
10. Feist - Metals
11. Bon Iver - Bon Iver
12. The Weeknd - House of Baloons
13. Shabazz Palace - Black Up
14. Wilco - The Whole Love
15. Frank Ocean - Nostalgia, Ultra
16. A. A. Bondy - Believers
17. Kurt Vile - Smoke Ring for My Halo
18. Adele - 21
19. Tim Hecker - Ravedeath, 1972
20. Tyler, The Creator - Goblin
21. Deportees - Islands & Shores
22. Zomby - Dedication
23. Ison & Fille - För evigt
24. Holy Ghost! - Holy Ghost!
25. Jonathan Johansson - Klagomuren

Blitz from Portugal.

50) The Dodos: No Color
49) Mastodon: The Hunter
48) Bill Callahan: Apocalypse
47) Zomby: Dedication
46) Wild Flag: Wild Flag
45) TV on the Radio: Nine Types of Light
44) Toro Y Moi: Underneath the Pine
43) Patrick Wolf: Lupercalia
42) David Sylvian: Died In Wool
41) SBTRKT: SBTRKT
40) Jessica Lea Mayfield: Tell Me
39) Radiohead: The King of Limbs
38) Gang Gang Dance: Eye Contact
37) The Weeknd: House of Balloons
36) Smith Westerns: Dye It Blonde
35) Friendly Fires: Pala
34) Florence and the Machine: Ceremonials
33) The Field: Looping State Of Mind
32) tUnE-yArDs: w h o k i l l
31) Tinariwen: Tassili
30) Justice: Audio, Video, Disco
29) Metronomy: The English Riviera
28) Afrocubism: Afrocubism
27) Trap Them: Darker Handcarft
26) Coldplay: Mylo Xyloto
25) Chico Buarque: Chico
24) Lykke Li: Wounded Rhymes
23) Feist: Metals
22) Wild Beasts: Smother
21) Low: C'mon
20) Jamie Won: Mirrorwriting
19) Diddy Dirty Money: Last Train To Paris
18) Jonathan Wilson: Gentle Spirit
17) Britney Spears: Femme Fatale
16) Beyoncé: 4
15) Tyler, the Creator: Goblin
14) Katy B: On a Mission
13) Anna Calvi: Anna Calvi
12) Destroyer: Kaputt
11) WU LYF: Go Tell Fire to the Mountain
10) Adele: 21
09) Tom Waits: Bad As Me
08) Laura Marling: A Creature I Don't Know
07) Kurt Vile: Smoke Ring For My Halo
06) Stephen Malkmus And The Jicks: Mirror Traffic
05) Bon Iver: Bon Iver
04) Fleet Foxes: Helplessness Blues
03) Nicolas Jaar: Space Is Only Noise
02) PJ Harvey: Let England Shake
01) James Blake: James Blake

Recordstore.co.uk

1. Connan Mockasin Forever Dolphin Love
2. Metronomy The English Riviera
3. The Horrors Skying
4. Kurt Vile Smoke Ring For My Halo
5. Azari & III Azari & III
6. Little Dragon Ritual Union
7. Cut Copy Zonoscope
8. Unknown Mortal Orchestra Unknown Mortal Orchestra
9. Smith Westerns Dye It Blonde
10. Shabazz Palaces Black Up
11. Cat's Eyes Cat's Eyes
12. Thurston Moore Demolished Thoughts
13. Radiohead The King Of Limbs
14. The Antlers Burst Apart
15. Baxter Dury Happy Soup
16. Bon Iver Bon Iver
17. Girls Father, Son, Holy Ghost
18. Yuck Yuck
19. The War On Drugs Slave Ambient
20. Lykke Li Wounded Rhymes
21. Black Lips Arabia Mountain
22. EMA Past Life Martyred Saints
23. Dum Dum Girls Only In Dreams
24. Laura Marling A Creature I Don't Know
25. Danger Mouse & Daniele Luppi Rome
26. Slow Club Paradise
27. Dutch Uncles Cadenza
28. Beastie Boys Hot Sauce Committee Part Two
29. Wooden Shjips West
30. Papercuts Fading Parade

Q's Top 50 Albums Of 2011

50. Justice - Audio Video Disco
49. Frank Ocean - Nostalgia, Ultra
48. Noah & The Whale - Last Night On Earth
47. Mastodon - The Hunter
46. SBTRKT - SBTRKT
45. Miles Kane - Colour Of The Trap
44. Death In Vegas - Trans-Love Energies
43. King Creosote & Jon Hopkins - Diamond Mine
42. Josh T Pearson - Last Of The Country Gentlemen
41. Girls - Father, Son, Holy Ghost
40. Danger Mouse & Daniel Luppi - Rome
39. James Blake - James Blake
38. Feist - Metals
37. Washed Out - Within And Without
36. Katy B - On A Mission
35. Cass McCombs - Humor Risk
34. Gruff Rhys - Hotel Shampoo
33. tUnE-yArDs - W H O K I L L
32. Radiohead - King Of Limbs
31. Beastie Boys - Hot Sauce Committee Part II
30. Lady Gaga - Born This Way
29. Kasabian - Velociraptor!
28. Gillian Welch - The Harrow & The Harvest
27. Ed Sheeran - +
26. Lykke Li - Wounded Rhymes
25. Wild Beast - Smother
24. Real Estate - Days
23. Bjork - Biophilla
22. White Lies - Ritual
21. Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds - Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds
20. The Weeknd - Thursday
19. Cass McCombs - Wit's End
18. Anna Calvi - Anna Calvi
17. Metronomy - The English Riviera
16. Kurt Vile - Smoke Ring For My Halo
15. Baxter Dury - Happy Soup
14. The Weeknd - House Of Balloons
13. Bombay Bicycle Club - A Different Kind Of Fix
12. Laura Marling - A Creature I Don't Know
11. The Horrors - Skying
10. Elbow - Build A Rocket Boys!
9. WU LYF - Go Tell Fire To The Mountain
8. St Vincent - Strange Mercy
7. Arctic Monkeys - Suck It And See
6. Jay-Z & Kanye West - Watch The Throne
5. Coldplay - Mylo Xyloto
4. Bon Iver - Bon Iver
3. Adele - 21
2. PJ Harvey - Let England Shake
1. Florence + The Machine - Ceremonials

1. Connan Mockasin Forever Dolphin Love

waht is this?

i'm fucking livid at that paste list

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they had drake ; )

Connan Mockasin album is decent psych-pop, but is also a 2010 album rereleased in 2011 under a different title (was previously Please Turn Me Into The Snat, so you can see how a change helped).

glad he had a rethink on the snat before the wish anus turned up

How do you think the wish anus came to be?

that truly is the riddle of the sphincs

the fact that the decemberists placed so much farther ahead of some of my favorite records in that paste list just blows my mind

xp hahaha

o_O at Florence #1 in Q.

My God at that Q list.

where is kate bush band???

1. Tombs - Path of Totality

haha are there really 2 metal albums named path of totality this year?

No – my god at that Paste list.

are there any good lists, anywhere

Piccadilly Records Albums of the Year

Not going to type out all 100, these are the top 20:

1. Peaking Lights - 936 (yay!)
2. Kurt Vile - Smoke Ring For My Halo
3. The Phoenix Foundation - Buffalo
4. Maria Minerva - Cabaret Cixous
5. Metronomy - The English Riviera
6. Wooden Shjips - West
7. Other Lives - Tamer Animals
8. The Kills - Blood Pressures
9. Black Lips - Arabia Mountain
10. Widowspeak - Widowspeak
11. Shimmering Stars - Violent Hearts
12. Dum Dum Girls - Only In Dreams
13. Pure X - Pleasure
14. Jonathan Wilson - Gentle Spirit
15. PJ Harvey - Let England Shake
16. Harvey Presents Locussolus - Locussolus
17. Vetiver - The Errant Charm
18. J Mascis - Several Shades of Why
19. Real Estate - Days
20. Washed Out - Within and Without

Only one list so far has featured Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds.

Funny how everyone scans over the metal list as "oh, well, they just cover metal so of course they're gonna have a list full of metal albums" yet every time something that just covers shitty indie has a list made up of shitty indie people are LIVID.

haha are there really 2 metal albums named path of totality this year?

lolyes

xp but it's not even good indie :(

I'd say Q at least pretends to cover more than shitty indie? I guess they do include Jay-Z and Kanye to demonstrate they know about the rapping too.

Rounder Records (Brighton) top 50:

1.THE HORRORS - "Skying" (XL)
2.SUUNS - "Zeroes QC" (Secretly Canadian)
3.THE WAR ON DRUGS - "Slave Ambient" (Secretly Canadian)
4.PJ HARVEY - "Let England Shake" (Island)
5.HYETAL - "Broadcast" (Special Branch)
6.FORD & LOPATIN - "Channel Pressure" (Software)
7.NEON INDIAN - "Era Extrana" (Transgressive)
8.JOHN MAUS - "We Must Become The Pitiless Censors Of Ourselves" (Upset The Rhythm)
9.MOON DUO - "Mazes" (Souterrain Transmissions)
10.PEAKING LIGHTS - "936" (Weird World)
11.THURSTON MOORE - "Demolished Thoughts" (Matador)
12.SBTRKT - "SBTRKT" (Young Turks)
13.METRONOMY - "The English Riviera" (Because)
14.YUCK - "Yuck" (Mercury)
15.MAYER HAWTHORNE - "How Do You Do" (Universal Republic)
16.CAT'S EYES - "Cat's Eyes" (Polydor)
17.BOOKER T JONES - "The Road From Memphis" (Epitaph)
18.THE FIELD - "Looping State Of Mind" (Kompakt)
19.STEPHEN MALKMUS - "Mirror Traffic" (Domino)
20.VERONICA FALLS - "Veronica Falls" (Bella Union)
21.WILD FLAG - “Wild Flag” (Wichita)
22.JOHN TEJADA - "Parabolas" (Kompakt)
23.JUSTICE - "Audio, Video, Disco" (Edbanger)
24.BEASTIE BOYS - "Hot Sauce Committee Part Two" (Capitol)
25.JAMIE WOON - "Mirrorwriting" (Interscope)
26.MEMORY TAPES - "Player Piano" (Something In Construction)
27.LOCUSSOLUS - "Locussolus" (International Feel)
28.NO JOY - "Ghost Blonde" (Mexican Summer)
29.GUI BORATTO - "III" (Kompakt)
30.WIDOWSPEAK - "Widowspeak" (Captured Tracks)
31.MOGWAI - "Hardcore Will Never Die But You Will" (Rock Action)
32.MARTYN - "Ghost People" (Brainfeeder)
33.ELEANOR FRIEDBERGER - "Last Summer" (City Slang)
34.J.MASCIS - "Several Shades Of Why" (Sub Pop)
35.TORO Y MOI - "Underneath The Pine" (Carpark)
36.THE KILLS - "Blood Pressures" (Domino)
37.WASHED OUT - "Within & Without" (Weird World)
38.RINGO DEATHSTARR - "Colour Trip" (Club AC30)
39.DENNIS COFFEY - "Dennis Coffey" (Strut)
40.EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY - "Take Care Take Care Take Care" (Bella Union)
41.GRUFF RHYS - "Hotel Shampoo" (Ovni)
42.TOM WAITS - "Bad As Me" (Anti)
43.MODESELEKTOR - "Monkeytown" (Monkeytown)
44.HOLY GHOST - "Holy Ghost" (DFA)
45.RUSTIE - “Glass Swords” (Warp)
46.KITTY, DAISY & LEWIS - "Smoking In Heaven" (Sunday Best)
47.WOODEN SHJIPS - "West" (Thrill Jockey)
48.BALAM ACAB - "Wander/Wonder" (Triangle)
49.ST. VINCENT - "Strange Mercy" (4AD)
50.BLOOD ORANGE - “Coastal Grooves” (Domino)

^^^ decent list

I'd say Q at least pretends to cover more than shitty indie?

Q doesn't even cover very much shitty indie. They cover old man rock music.

but really i have no clue and am an idiot

i still think saying that something shitty because its in bad taste is lazy worthless criticism but w/e

but really i have no clue and am an idiot

good point

j/k but no really i feel you. i've been thinking lately about how i don't really trust anyone who isn't enthusiastic about at least some things that are deeply uncool or in 'bad taste.' and like when people taunt me about listening to Limp Bizkit or "Moves Like Jagger" or something all i think is isn't it kind of obvious i'm not really worried about whether people think i have 'bad taste'?

if your gut has never lead you to some places you're not 100% comfortable going then you're probably not actually listening to it

Trying to explain ambiguity or vulgarity to an audience is half the battle of a critic imo.

totally

i mean i will happily needle whoever for listening to drake but it's not because i'm aghast that anyone likes such a gauche pop rapper, if anything my problem with him is that his music is so disgustingly tasteful and timely

as a guy known for defending purportedly risible crap I can imagine being persuaded by a cogent analysis of Drake, but I've yet to read one that didn't inadvertently paraphrase his press releases (e.g. the buzzwords "introspective," "tortured," "speaking his mind," etc).

haha dismissing stuff as tasteful is even worse imo

i don't think bourdieu or our revisionist&idealized poptimist project thought you cld have asocial criticism shorn of those biases. it should instead be the aim to bring those values to the fore and mb have ppl engage w/ the contingent foundation their taste is built on.

i think you can make big BLEUGH partisan dismissals w/out being dishonest, blind or self-deceiving about the nature of yr own taste/personal lamp brand

sure but i dont know how 'worthwhile' it is? dishonest also isnt really the same as lazy i guess

im probably being foolish simply becaue i really like thinking abt taste and self-image and social position and how they map onto preferences in music and how they help give form and nuance to pop music and its nice if other ppl are doing the same rather than just lol u have shitty taste or w/e

ugh this is all really popmpus and stupid probably but like i do think drake projects a kind of... connoisseurship in his rapping that feels p upper middle-class but that also seems to reflect/intersect with the very this season production work on 'take care' which in turn is kindof alienating to me or maybe just of a piece w/his narcissism

i dunno man, i listen to music instead of thinking about self-image and social position (xp)

but otm about drake. kind of ties into how i always felt like he just kind of stepped out of the vapor of 2008/2009 when the 2 biggest rappers were kanye and lil wayne as like this mathematically calibrated halfway point between them, and for all the ways he doesn't fit the profile of a rap star in and 'interesting' way he's also just kind of a slavish sycophant to other rappers and his audience in general.

sure but i dont know how 'worthwhile' it is? dishonest also isnt really the same as lazy i guess

this is the nub of it, right?

Like, the problem with disliking something because it's bad taste isn't that it's wrong but that as a criticism it doesn't really tell you anything about the actual relationship b/w the speaker and the music (other than in a bourdieu distinction sense). It's a boring statement, whereas the answer to "what do you mean when you say something is bad taste?" often can be quite interesting. It's really a "use other words please" issue rather than a "yr critical model is flawed" issue IMO.

To my mind the main relationship b/w bourdieu and pop(tim)ism is the idea that r'ships between social groups and pieces or types of music are there to be interrogated rather than generalised in order to bolster yr opinion.

Needless to say not everyone who likes chart-pop necessarily abides by that injunction.

haha someone around here (hurting, i think) told me recently that for someone with such good taste, i have really questionable taste. i took this as a huge compliment.

i <3 "tasteful" music

i don't think i've ever subscribed to a dogma of poptimism, or of anything. you make your taste up as you go along really.

it is interesting to see what artists are kneejerk acceptable/unacceptable in various social circles though, and i'd agree with shipz that if everything you like conforms to "acceptability" in whatever your social circles are, and you are an adult, you are maybe doing it a bit wrong

infinite state machine's top 50

http://infinitestatemachine.com/2011/12/22/pipecocks-top-tracks-of-2011/

if everything you like conforms to "acceptability" in whatever your social circles are, and you are an adult, you are maybe doing it a bit wrong

― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, December 30, 2011

Social circles defn of acceptibility often isn't static but gradually morphs tho? That group-shift is pretty interesting, I often don't notice it happening then suddenly realize

In the last few years I've felt my own taste move (in relative position) from being kind of one the outside of the social circle (too dry) to being central/integral to the social circle to outside again but in a different way (but this time not dry enough)

but then,

The social circle gradually changed
the taste of the people in both the newer and older sections of the social circle also changed during that time
I gradually changed also

What is tasteful today is tacky tomorrow and viceversa

on ism

Love
NCW
Tang
Fred P

Like
Teengirl Fantasy
Storm Queen
Oktored(!)
Specter
Disco Nihilist
Shake
Juju & Jordash

dont know the rest!

Actually just realized the Teengirl Fantasy is the beautiful swimmers mix not the john talabot. talabots is pretty good, but the beautiful swimmers one is definitely the go to mix on that

Reading the blurbs on that ISM countdown makes me think I should listen through the whole list. The only ones I know are Escort, Floating Points, Ital and Anthony Shakir/BBC and they're all superb.

Is there a Firefox plugin or somewhat that extracts Youtube links from a webpage and turns them into a playlist? There should be.

not the same but http://www.youtubereloaded.com does it via manual pasting of URLs

My copy of the NCW 12

arrived today, only knew of this because of ISM, great stuff

To my mind the main relationship b/w bourdieu and pop(tim)ism is the idea that r'ships between social groups and pieces or types of music are there to be interrogated rather than generalised in order to bolster yr opinion.

r'ships may have been my father's nickname in grade school

lamp otm itt

Terrorizer top 40 albums list cos I was asked nicely

1 Mastodon - The Hunter
2 Autopsy- Macabre Eternal
3 Trap Them - Darker Handicraft
4 Devin Townsend - Ghost / Deconstruction
5 Amebix - Sonic Mass
6 Altar of Plagues - Mammal
7 Wolves in the Throne Room - Celestial Lineage
8 Blood Ceremony - Living With the Ancients
9 Necros Christos - Doom of the Occult
10 In Solitude - The World. The Flesh. The Devil
11 Today Is The Day - Pain Is A Warning
12 Primordial - Redemption at the Puritan's Hand
13 40 Watt Sun - The Inside Room
14 The Devil's Blood - The Thousandfold Epicentre
15 Solstafir - Svartir Sandar
16 Fucked Up - David Comes To Life
17 Tombs - Path of Totality
18 Machine Head - Unto the Locust
19 Negative Plane - Stained Glass Revelations
20 Vallenfyre - A Fragile King
21 Ancient Vvisdom - A Godlike Inferno
22 Opeth - Heritage
23 Craft - Void
24 Sonne Adam - Transformation
25 Brutal Truth - End Time
26 Disma - Towards The Megalith
27 Leviathan - True Traitor, True Whore
28 Yob - Atma
29 All Pigs Must Die - God is War
30 Cave In - White Silence
31 Steven Wilson - Grace For Drowning
32 Will Haven - Voir Dire
33 Decapitated - Carnival is Forever
34 Obscura - Omnivium
35 Rwake - Rest
36 Morbus Chron - Sleepers in the Rift
37 Maim - Deceased To Exist
38 Absu - Abzu
39 Esoteric - Paragon of Dissonance
40 Shining - VII: Fodd Forlorare

not a bad list imo, plenty of stuff I don't care about but it doesn't seem manipulated or focusgrouped in whatever way

Thanks!!

Surprised Mastodon won yet I couldn't see else in the list who would win. Yet again Uncle Acid have been ignored. Maybe next years lists will see them mentioned once its out in the USA.

wasn't the Uncle Acid an edition of a couple of hundred? Not surprising that lots of people overlooked it.

apparently ppl download stuff nowadays or so I'm told

I've still not heard it cos I was so IA at the eBay disposable income prickery / standard Rise Above dick moves

seems like something I'd dig tho

it is

popjustice readers have spoken

beyonce's 4 was the 3rd worst album of 2011.

http://www.popjustice.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5928&Itemid=9

I thought the YOB album would be higher in the Terrorizer poll actually. Pleased to see Today Is The Day in high.

they hate party rock anthem? fuck them

My top 100 of 2011, yalllll

http://bit.ly/whogivesashiiiiit

pistol annies! :)

i would never ever have thought you were into nicolas jaar

haha why not!

too tasteful, too pretty maybe? idk

still think he's maybe one of the artists i've discovered in the past 14 months who's most blown me away but if i was to put together a list of reasons/tracks why, the album would not constitute many of them.

Pistol Annies album is so tuff.

Glad to see Seun Kuti sneak on on there. I've been listening to the Matana Roberts this week, and it's definitely fascinating, though parts are also excruciating.

Lex OTM wrt the Jaar album.

Whiney, Bob Boilen from NPR radio/website All songs Considered site, and the afropop.org site all chose the nice understated kora and cello duet album Ballaké Sissoko & Vincent Segal - Chamber Music (Mali and France) - (on Six Degrees)

It's growing on me but I went elsewhere with my African music choices

Orchestre Poly- Rythmo-Cotonou Club (Strut)

Jon Pareles at the NY Times also went with this one

That should be Orchestre PolyRythmo

If they had gone with the full TuneYards style lettering they could have made more lists

POX nico jaar:

wouh
a time for us
marks
the bees - winter rose (nicolas jaar remix)
ellen allien - flashy flashy (nicolas jaar remix)
space is only noise if you can see
love you gotta lose again
russian dolls
el bandido
no regular play - owe me (nicolas jaar remix)

If they had gone with the full TuneYards style lettering they could have made more lists

maybe every artist should do this for lols?

pIsToL aNnIeS - h e l l o n h e e l s

tIm HeCkEr - r a v e d e a t h , 1 9 7 2

etc.

It took two hours to compose that post didn't it

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