rolling rap thread

i mean i don't think anyone would deny that hip-hop is male-coded, has been male-dominated, and it won't stop being weighted towards dudes any time soon, but to say that it's essentially about masculinity is what seems o_0

failing to address the history of white female rappers who haven't come across as paltrow-style jokes (which i think even paltrow was aware of!) is a bit of an oversight too.

also i think kreayshawn has worked very hard at establishing hip-hop cred!

the paragraph about labelism is half a good point but i'm not sure that labelism is a thing that needs to be defended in such strong terms. the history of hip-hop is as peppered with anti-labelism as brands brands brands.

class unaddressed too?! like, isn't a reason that eminem and yelawolf are accepted their poor backgrounds (cf the obviously privileged middle-class fratboyisms of asher roth and mac miller). kreayshawn and v-nasty don't actually seem particularly privileged to me.

also i think kreayshawn has worked very hard at establishing hip-hop cred!

yeah - agree about this and about the class aspect too. like part of the reason Paltrow et al look ridiculous is due to class, it's not just gender and race.

failing to address the history of white female rappers who haven't come across as paltrow-style jokes (which i think even paltrow was aware of!) is a bit of an oversight too.

who are you thinking of here, Luscious Jackson?

i wasn't but yeah! luscious jackson, tairrie b, princess superstar, lady sovereign, there are probably more.

(i don't know much about tairrie b myself, only read about her)

I think it's still a pretty narrow sample size... Princess Superstar and Lady Sovereign are non-entities over here (and Toure didn't seem interested in engaging with UK hip hop or how it would figure in at all - probably just would have muddied the waters since class/race issues are so different between the US & UK)

the earliest example I can think of ESG but they weren't exactly rapping

haha i think my basic criticism of the piece is that the waters are muddier than what he describes

all the names i mentioned (except luscious jackson?) had the active patronage of some pretty heavyweight black male american rappers though

also none of the white female rappers he discusses are exactly megastars - they're all at or around the level that princess superstar and lady sov were when their whiteness and femaleness got them written about in the mainstream press

cher lloyd!!

i like toure but i'm not reading this -- enough w/ the nyt and kreayshawn

fwiw I doubt LJ would've gone anywhere without their connection to the Beasties.

I will rep for this track tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoK1Sdie_0g

and i don't think slapping the label "white" on a white australian and a russian jew is that helpful (why are people so reluctant to address kreayshawn's race?)

― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

pro tip, they're both white

This week in Slate Hitchens on why women aren't rappy.

ok heritage, whatever, stop playing dumb unless you wanna argue kreayshawn and gwyneth paltrow are coming from the same cultural place here

well they're both Jews

both with parents in the entertainment industry

huh and Bruce Paltrow was Russian, I had no idea...

haha neither did i!

coming from the same cultural place has nothing to do w/ whether or not someone is white

well, i dont mean to go that far. but they're overlapping ideas, not completely reflective ones

for all intents & purposes, in the u.s., both artists are white

the caption "Kreayshawn has a slow and cutesy approach to rapping." >>>> the article

guys northern state

discuss: princess superstar is hands down the best white female rapper who ever lived and that's an indisputable fucking fact

on the evidence of this mixtape it's certainly not iggy azalea, at any rate

lol northern state

i still like the sarai single more than pretty much anything by anyone mentioned in this convo

how good is this ?

http://lilt601.bandcamp.com/track/n-as-in-the-trap-ft-ab-2

disappointed that wasn't "nas in the trap"

I just can't read "she samples indie groups like the xx and the Vines and talks about alienation" without wanting to peel my eyes with a salt-coated potato peeler.

ayo, deej, thanks for posting about nht boyz today

life changed and shit

haha. appreciated

i feel like those guys have been massively slept on. like, i think exquire has some fun tracks or w/e but their brand of retro feels so much more exciting to me for w/e reason

damn is there new nht out?

that reggae-ish track from earlier this year is still the shit

is this on regular ilx? occult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME6QSbhL-OM

wow that toure article is terrible

there are a lot of rap critics from the 90s that i don't want to hate on their recent writing but they give off such an 'old man in the club' vibe

it's not a good article, correct.

lol I totally forgot about northern state

becuz they were terrible

first useful promo email of 2011: slim dunkin retrospective

http://trapsntrunks.com/?p=44049

this would be better if you switched out droop e for currensy but still very dope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cfypTOCF4bA#!

ayo u think this dude lurks here?

http://gawker.com/5869758/nine-awesome-songs-and-one-great-mix-you-didnt-hear-in-2011

Why are you even responding if you don't want to engage? If you don't think the criticism is valid, tell him so and why.

Not new but really digging on Beeda Weeda "That Thizzness" lately.

i don't imagine fabolous and meek mill over a travis porter beat is as enticing a proposition for most other people as it is for me but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmsrIHe9jX8

heard 'turn my fuckin beat up' on the radio today and thought 1.) damn why does chris always get the hardest beats 2.) look at me now pt. 2 3.) what's up with him and busta, are they bff

anyway fuck chris brown I wish they would give these beats to other rappers

oh wait it's a busta song

hmm

Man what does the gun sounds crew think of Action Bronson? I miss being able to search real ilx right now. I just heard the album with Statik Selektah today and really kinda liked it, but I'm trying to figure out if its just because I miss having new Ghostface now or not. Really liking the production on this one tho. How does Lecter compare?

Lecter's better imo. More hardcore but I like both a lot