― obi strip (sanskrit), Monday, 4 December 2006 04:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Wench (jim wentworth), Monday, 4 December 2006 04:54 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, that last Scenic album craps all over the entire GYBE output.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 4 December 2006 05:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― hm (modestmickey), Monday, 4 December 2006 05:25 (seventeen years ago) link
Having said that nowhere near as good as 'It takes two'.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 December 2006 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Enthusiasm is great.
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 4 December 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Monday, 4 December 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 4 December 2006 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 4 December 2006 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Zachary Scott (ZachRScot...) (webmail), December 4th, 2006 12:02 AM. (Zachary S) (later) (link)
That is normally his intention, but it seems neither party was entirely happy with what they ended up with. I don't think they've spoken since (note that it was Hogan and not Shellac that invited them to Shellac ATP).
― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link
it's the enthusiasm of a 19-yr-old (which is great!), but not the frame of reference! i have said this before, but what i really don't get about louis is that the stuff he says these things about is the stuff people my age and a bit older would have eulogised when they were louis' age! i am pretty sure that most 19-yr-olds do not listen to mansun or blur or godspeed whatsit. people who are 25 did, when they were 19.
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
i fell asleep during spiritualized once! but i don't think that necessarily means they are bad. i like spiritualized.
― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link
He also had Spiritualized's 'Pure Phase', bought apparently on a whim, and Mogwai's first 3 albums. I started with them and worked my way inwards; now the 90's are by far my favourite and most comprehensively-owned decade in music! My knowledge of contemporary indie/alternative acts is much more sketchy, I'd say; retrospective discoveries are so much more satisfying than great new releases IMO.
Now, if we could only forget that bit about Bach...
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link
You have no idea how big of a trap this is.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
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A trap, eh? Hmm, it was only meant as a statement of personal preference...
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link
the 90s were amazing. i grew up in them after all, they made me! the best things about the 90s:
- commercial pop rave and eurobosh all over the charts- trip-hop- angsty female singer-songwriters who were not just angsty but arty and experimental and visionary- both classic old-skool r&b, and the first stirrings of hyper-modern timbaland-driven r&b- spice girls and britney spears
notice the LACK OF BLUR IN THAT LIST.
again i recognise the crate-digging for old stuff mentality, that's not so weird, but it normally gets applied to...60s-80s. the 90s is a bit fresh in people's memories.
hang on, louis, what did you like when you were 12/13?
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (121212), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link
there's one every year!
2006 = Joanna Newsom - WhYs allegedly...
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link
I'd snort but if someone had told me kids would still be wearing Nirvana t-shirts a decade on, and not 2006's version of Rave Pants... :(
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link
When I was 12/13, I was deeply into The Cure (Pornography being my starter, an album I didn't see as dark or unlistenable but tuneful and imaginative) and XTC (NONSUCH), and I also loved early Pink Floyd, King Crimson and The Byrds. I still love all of them, but I have since found things I love yet more (not much in XTC's case, though). The only thing I liked as a child that I have grown to love yet more in my early adulthood is Steve Harley's greatest hits album, an absolutely spectacular compilation of intelligent, grade A+ pop.
My friends listen to very little that I do. Some are into their jazz big-time, some prefer things like The White Stripes and Sublime, others Belle and Sebastian, many are into classical, quite a few are trendy indie-kids who name-drop Clap Your Boy Most Likely To Wolf Steady, others are cooler indie kids who name-drop Les Savy Fav and Throbbing Gristle in the same sentence (these ones tend to have a music-taste most similar to my own, even if the overlap tends only to be in our immediately contemporary taste, and even then not particularly extensive). Quite a few are into shit like Wolfmother, emo, post-punk bollocks like the whole Razorlight thing, bad, commercial R&B, or sissy guitar queef such as Damien Gray. Some are rockists who espouse the overarching brilliance of The Rolling Stones and then declare that BRMC are the only contemporary act they have any time for. Nobody else likes Mansun. Where, I wonder, does this leave me?
P.S. I'd probably love YS, yes, based upon what I've heard. Although it probably could have done with more effects/computerised bleeps... :P
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), December 4th, 2006.
in fairness i should have added:
i was sitting down.
and mega-stoned.
― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link
I'd be interested to know if he thinks the recorded version sounds as fuck-awful as I do! And I'm not even the type to get bothered by such things usually but I can barely make it three songs in to Ys (record) without wanting to scream. I should upload that live stuff in the Ys thread really... the difference is like night and day.
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
haha this is also indicative of my own tastes (by which I mean that I naturally have an affinity for futuristic-sounding blips and bleeps), which is why I listen to techno and house and r&b and hip-hop and pop rather than indie!!!!!
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm just a bit wtf-ed at ver kids... at least they've kind of broken away with the whole EMO thing lately, or maybe even Nu-Rave, but it's been years coming, the Kurt-T-Shirt thing is a bit passe now I guess.
Of course Lex's kids (on the bus) do none of this but Grime really isn't that big in Hull you know?
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm sorry, but I don't understand a word of this. Are you trying to explain my 'indie stiffness' by name-dropping a few 'scenes' such as 'the whole EMO thing', and 'Nu-Rave' (whatever the fuck that is), or even the 'Kurt T-Shirt thing'? I have never associated myself with any scene or any specific type of music, I don't care what everyone else my age is into, and I'd be insulted if I were thought to limit my music taste with certain stylistic conventions.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link
Just trying to grasp at why Blur et al never did a lot for me (probably at root because Britpop felt 1000% times more manufactured & assisted by the media than anything that came before did, and you started getting a LOT of bands with a very fake, arch & constructed-to-fashion feel about them being passed off as GOLD, and I think it seeped into a lot of other stuff, even less commercial stuff right up to today (Franz Ferdinand seem like a '00s version of this).
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, onto my idea of progress in music.
This is based around the FACT that I have never heard an album which honestly moves from start to finish in a perfect manner. Perfect, for me, is displaying an ability to consider any sound, any musical progression, to go to any lengths to create the most delightful listening experience, and yet remain coherent, memorable, and astounding. I know that artists will, MUST, continue to approach this creative peak, however.
The reason I know this is that when listening to any album of mine I have thought of innumerable ways in which they could be improved, new progressions, new flourishes, new ideas which would completely blown me out of the water. The only album for whom I can't really think of much is Mansun's Six, and that was slaughtered in its tracks by the record company. Music's possibilities are vast, but those exploring the boundaries are only really exploring in one direction. When different directions are combined into one ambitious, all-encompassing, endlessly rewarding package, only then will the stakes be raised to the limit. Hopefully after that someone will come along and come up with an even better combination of soundwaves (for that is what an album essentially is) for our aural and intellectual delectation. Which takes us onto 'possible sounds', which was discussed at length on old-ILX, so I'll shut up now.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway this is getting a bit off-topic, it's still hard to explain what I mean about British pop just being a bit more natural & less studied pre-1993/4, occurring as a result of genuine movements & trends instead of simply reacting far too much to top-down crap thought up by the NME and magazines afterwards.
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link