pictured: a lamp
http://www.elephantos.com/images/marijuana_leaf_lamp.jpg
― undervalued aerosmith tchotchkes sold in bulk, Friday, 30 December 2011 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
i was saying 'good point' to lamp -- there's definitely like a word or clause missing in his post that makes it hard to read but i agree with the sentiment
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 03:27 (twelve years ago) link
imo poptimisim (or w/e) was in part abt dismantling the sort of assumptions that underlie arguments abt 'good taste' many of which are just snobbishness and like lifestlye signalling masquerading as 'judgement'. like the idea of having 'good taste in music' is in itself suspect because it divorces the music from its own context and puts into yrs and also because it makes listening abt like consumer selection rather than comprehension
― (9ò_ó)=@ (є(٥_ ٥)э), Friday, 30 December 2011 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
that's not really poptimism so much as bourdieu
― cutehound, Friday, 30 December 2011 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
well i mean i thought thats where they got it from but idk, my limited conception of the 'project' was that it was more than just a way of justifying yr girls aloud cds at yuppie london dinner parties
― (9ò_ó)=@ (є(٥_ ٥)э), Friday, 30 December 2011 03:42 (twelve years ago) link
but really i have no clue and am an idiot
i still think saying that something shitty because its in bad taste is lazy worthless criticism but w/e
― (9ò_ó)=@ (є(٥_ ٥)э), Friday, 30 December 2011 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
good point
j/k but no really i feel you. i've been thinking lately about how i don't really trust anyone who isn't enthusiastic about at least some things that are deeply uncool or in 'bad taste.' and like when people taunt me about listening to Limp Bizkit or "Moves Like Jagger" or something all i think is isn't it kind of obvious i'm not really worried about whether people think i have 'bad taste'?
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
if your gut has never lead you to some places you're not 100% comfortable going then you're probably not actually listening to it
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
Trying to explain ambiguity or vulgarity to an audience is half the battle of a critic imo.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
totally
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 03:52 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i will happily needle whoever for listening to drake but it's not because i'm aghast that anyone likes such a gauche pop rapper, if anything my problem with him is that his music is so disgustingly tasteful and timely
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
as a guy known for defending purportedly risible crap I can imagine being persuaded by a cogent analysis of Drake, but I've yet to read one that didn't inadvertently paraphrase his press releases (e.g. the buzzwords "introspective," "tortured," "speaking his mind," etc).
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
haha dismissing stuff as tasteful is even worse imo
i don't think bourdieu or our revisionist&idealized poptimist project thought you cld have asocial criticism shorn of those biases. it should instead be the aim to bring those values to the fore and mb have ppl engage w/ the contingent foundation their taste is built on.
i think you can make big BLEUGH partisan dismissals w/out being dishonest, blind or self-deceiving about the nature of yr own taste/personal lamp brand
― cutehound, Friday, 30 December 2011 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
sure but i dont know how 'worthwhile' it is? dishonest also isnt really the same as lazy i guess
im probably being foolish simply becaue i really like thinking abt taste and self-image and social position and how they map onto preferences in music and how they help give form and nuance to pop music and its nice if other ppl are doing the same rather than just lol u have shitty taste or w/e
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Friday, 30 December 2011 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
ugh this is all really popmpus and stupid probably but like i do think drake projects a kind of... connoisseurship in his rapping that feels p upper middle-class but that also seems to reflect/intersect with the very this season production work on 'take care' which in turn is kindof alienating to me or maybe just of a piece w/his narcissism
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Friday, 30 December 2011 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno man, i listen to music instead of thinking about self-image and social position (xp)
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
but otm about drake. kind of ties into how i always felt like he just kind of stepped out of the vapor of 2008/2009 when the 2 biggest rappers were kanye and lil wayne as like this mathematically calibrated halfway point between them, and for all the ways he doesn't fit the profile of a rap star in and 'interesting' way he's also just kind of a slavish sycophant to other rappers and his audience in general.
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
this is the nub of it, right?
Like, the problem with disliking something because it's bad taste isn't that it's wrong but that as a criticism it doesn't really tell you anything about the actual relationship b/w the speaker and the music (other than in a bourdieu distinction sense). It's a boring statement, whereas the answer to "what do you mean when you say something is bad taste?" often can be quite interesting. It's really a "use other words please" issue rather than a "yr critical model is flawed" issue IMO.
To my mind the main relationship b/w bourdieu and pop(tim)ism is the idea that r'ships between social groups and pieces or types of music are there to be interrogated rather than generalised in order to bolster yr opinion.
Needless to say not everyone who likes chart-pop necessarily abides by that injunction.
― Tim F, Friday, 30 December 2011 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
haha someone around here (hurting, i think) told me recently that for someone with such good taste, i have really questionable taste. i took this as a huge compliment.
― dark side of the goon (furnace mane), Friday, 30 December 2011 07:39 (twelve years ago) link
i <3 "tasteful" music
i don't think i've ever subscribed to a dogma of poptimism, or of anything. you make your taste up as you go along really.
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 30 December 2011 08:40 (twelve years ago) link
it is interesting to see what artists are kneejerk acceptable/unacceptable in various social circles though, and i'd agree with shipz that if everything you like conforms to "acceptability" in whatever your social circles are, and you are an adult, you are maybe doing it a bit wrong
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 30 December 2011 08:45 (twelve years ago) link
infinite state machine's top 50
http://infinitestatemachine.com/2011/12/22/pipecocks-top-tracks-of-2011/
― april wowak, Friday, 30 December 2011 09:03 (twelve years ago) link
if everything you like conforms to "acceptability" in whatever your social circles are, and you are an adult, you are maybe doing it a bit wrong
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, December 30, 2011
Social circles defn of acceptibility often isn't static but gradually morphs tho? That group-shift is pretty interesting, I often don't notice it happening then suddenly realize
In the last few years I've felt my own taste move (in relative position) from being kind of one the outside of the social circle (too dry) to being central/integral to the social circle to outside again but in a different way (but this time not dry enough)
but then,
The social circle gradually changedthe taste of the people in both the newer and older sections of the social circle also changed during that timeI gradually changed also
What is tasteful today is tacky tomorrow and viceversa
― april wowak, Friday, 30 December 2011 09:17 (twelve years ago) link
on ism
LoveNCWTangFred P
Like Teengirl FantasyStorm QueenOktored(!)SpecterDisco NihilistShakeJuju & Jordash
dont know the rest!
― april wowak, Friday, 30 December 2011 09:20 (twelve years ago) link
Actually just realized the Teengirl Fantasy is the beautiful swimmers mix not the john talabot. talabots is pretty good, but the beautiful swimmers one is definitely the go to mix on that
― april wowak, Friday, 30 December 2011 09:23 (twelve years ago) link
Reading the blurbs on that ISM countdown makes me think I should listen through the whole list. The only ones I know are Escort, Floating Points, Ital and Anthony Shakir/BBC and they're all superb.
Is there a Firefox plugin or somewhat that extracts Youtube links from a webpage and turns them into a playlist? There should be.
― sean doily, Friday, 30 December 2011 12:25 (twelve years ago) link
not the same but http://www.youtubereloaded.com does it via manual pasting of URLs
― nashwan, Friday, 30 December 2011 12:30 (twelve years ago) link
My copy of the NCW 12
― april wowak, Friday, 30 December 2011 12:39 (twelve years ago) link
arrived today, only knew of this because of ISM, great stuff
r'ships may have been my father's nickname in grade school
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
lamp otm itt
― max max max max, Friday, 30 December 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
Terrorizer top 40 albums list cos I was asked nicely
1 Mastodon - The Hunter2 Autopsy- Macabre Eternal3 Trap Them - Darker Handicraft4 Devin Townsend - Ghost / Deconstruction5 Amebix - Sonic Mass6 Altar of Plagues - Mammal7 Wolves in the Throne Room - Celestial Lineage8 Blood Ceremony - Living With the Ancients9 Necros Christos - Doom of the Occult10 In Solitude - The World. The Flesh. The Devil11 Today Is The Day - Pain Is A Warning12 Primordial - Redemption at the Puritan's Hand13 40 Watt Sun - The Inside Room14 The Devil's Blood - The Thousandfold Epicentre15 Solstafir - Svartir Sandar16 Fucked Up - David Comes To Life17 Tombs - Path of Totality18 Machine Head - Unto the Locust19 Negative Plane - Stained Glass Revelations20 Vallenfyre - A Fragile King21 Ancient Vvisdom - A Godlike Inferno22 Opeth - Heritage23 Craft - Void24 Sonne Adam - Transformation25 Brutal Truth - End Time26 Disma - Towards The Megalith27 Leviathan - True Traitor, True Whore28 Yob - Atma29 All Pigs Must Die - God is War30 Cave In - White Silence31 Steven Wilson - Grace For Drowning32 Will Haven - Voir Dire33 Decapitated - Carnival is Forever34 Obscura - Omnivium35 Rwake - Rest36 Morbus Chron - Sleepers in the Rift37 Maim - Deceased To Exist38 Absu - Abzu39 Esoteric - Paragon of Dissonance40 Shining - VII: Fodd Forlorare
― Extreme Lifestyle, Saturday, 31 December 2011 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
not a bad list imo, plenty of stuff I don't care about but it doesn't seem manipulated or focusgrouped in whatever way
― Extreme Lifestyle, Saturday, 31 December 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks!!
Surprised Mastodon won yet I couldn't see else in the list who would win. Yet again Uncle Acid have been ignored. Maybe next years lists will see them mentioned once its out in the USA.
― Anyone need a (Jimmy Riddle), Saturday, 31 December 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
wasn't the Uncle Acid an edition of a couple of hundred? Not surprising that lots of people overlooked it.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 31 December 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
apparently ppl download stuff nowadays or so I'm told
I've still not heard it cos I was so IA at the eBay disposable income prickery / standard Rise Above dick moves
seems like something I'd dig tho
― Extreme Lifestyle, Saturday, 31 December 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
it is
― Anyone need a (Jimmy Riddle), Saturday, 31 December 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
popjustice readers have spoken
beyonce's 4 was the 3rd worst album of 2011.
http://www.popjustice.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5928&Itemid=9
― uberweiss, Saturday, 31 December 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
I thought the YOB album would be higher in the Terrorizer poll actually. Pleased to see Today Is The Day in high.
― Anyone need a (Jimmy Riddle), Saturday, 31 December 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
they hate party rock anthem? fuck them
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Saturday, 31 December 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
My top 100 of 2011, yalllll
http://bit.ly/whogivesashiiiiit
― uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 31 December 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
pistol annies! :)
i would never ever have thought you were into nicolas jaar
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Saturday, 31 December 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
haha why not!
― uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 31 December 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
too tasteful, too pretty maybe? idk
still think he's maybe one of the artists i've discovered in the past 14 months who's most blown me away but if i was to put together a list of reasons/tracks why, the album would not constitute many of them.
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Saturday, 31 December 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
Pistol Annies album is so tuff.
― Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 31 December 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Glad to see Seun Kuti sneak on on there. I've been listening to the Matana Roberts this week, and it's definitely fascinating, though parts are also excruciating.
― Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 31 December 2011 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
Lex OTM wrt the Jaar album.
― Tim F, Sunday, 1 January 2012 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
Whiney, Bob Boilen from NPR radio/website All songs Considered site, and the afropop.org site all chose the nice understated kora and cello duet album Ballaké Sissoko & Vincent Segal - Chamber Music (Mali and France) - (on Six Degrees)
It's growing on me but I went elsewhere with my African music choices
― Another Suburbanite, Sunday, 1 January 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
Orchestre Poly- Rythmo-Cotonou Club (Strut)
Jon Pareles at the NY Times also went with this one
― Another Suburbanite, Sunday, 1 January 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
That should be Orchestre PolyRythmo
― Another Suburbanite, Sunday, 1 January 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link