even if the domo-kun mixtape is a chore to get through and i had to wrap my head around his weird anti-flow, i find myself bumping to "pound" and "loud pockets" and "overdrive" all the time and stopped listening to the slj track after a few days or whatever
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Sunday, 25 December 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
the anti-flow is way toned down on this new tape tho. it's still there enough to be distinctively him but it's incorporated into a more regular rapping style. and i'm glad he's both developing and keeping a distinctive approach
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Sunday, 25 December 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
lol at imogen heap's based goddess status. and yeah deej, he did step it way up. and even his stuff before where he was rapping pretty poorly is way more memorable than that sl jones joint which has kinda slipped out of my mind.
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Sunday, December 25, 2011 5:36 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
man i completely disagree that L's earlier stuff was more memorable. SL Jones is like 100x better rapper.
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 25 December 2011 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
young l's were like a notch above beat tape (i still have to hear the new one )
im unsure whether or not young l's young l music is worth listening to: does the initial awesome reaction to the beat propel you through the next 3 minutes of grating, repetitive rapping? i rarely make it through an entire song & just end up sampling each beat on his tapes
this is prob a big challop but i prefer clams casino
― wil smif, Monday, 26 December 2011 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
okay that's retarded
also young l's rapping is fine! it's rarely great but it's often kinda fun
― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Monday, 26 December 2011 07:47 (twelve years ago) link
i put that too harshly, i like young l i'm just often reluctant to listen to him for that reason. i think the knowledge of "what could have been" plays into it, too. its not like he has some big hilarious idiot persona like soulja boy, just a guy whos always rapping on his beats
― wil smif, Monday, 26 December 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
im just really tired of production-driven rapping. if you can't make a good song out of it i dont care how next level the beats are
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Monday, 26 December 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
i don't even mean the rapper has to be 'skilled' or charismatic, i just mean that the song needs to be dope & so far I've heard a lot more dope beats than dope songs from L
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Monday, 26 December 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c0U5zLnefQ
jamming this out
the rest of the tape isnt my thing sans 2-3 tracks but this jams
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Monday, 26 December 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Monday, December 26, 2011 12:13 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah, well i'm a total beat nerd so
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
some of his songs are dope as fuck tho
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
and even if his rapping's improved, it's still not like it's the attraction and it never will be for him, so maybe it's just not for you/ i love it tho.
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
this is cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVgCJ98yiGo
― sisilafami, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
pastor troy vibe
this is a great read : http://thequietus.com/articles/07634-nice-and-smooth
― sisilafami, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
what do you all think of the touré NYT piece?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/arts/music/white-female-rappers-challenging-hip-hops-masculine-ideal.html
it's...there's just a lot wrong there, surely. it's very simplistic. tying hip-hop so essentially to masculinity seems totally wrong.
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
and i don't think slapping the label "white" on a white australian and a russian jew is that helpful (why are people so reluctant to address kreayshawn's race?)
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
k.flay is not awful but kinda boring btw and i'm surprised people are taking notice of her
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
hmm yeah definitely some wrong in that piece. I don't think emphasizing hip-hop's masculinity-obsession is the main problem tho. The writing is just sort of sub-standard and not insightful imho. The Beyonce line is very wtf, and I don't agree re: Kreayshawn at all, and then there's this paragraph, which is just embarassing:
More skilled and perhaps more interesting is K.Flay, 26, a Stanford graduate and a talented vocalist who uses rhyming as a sonic technique. Culturally she is not trying to push her way into hip-hop; she’s more of an indie rock chick. Her rapping is melodic and semi-sung, and on her most recent mixtape, “I Stopped Caring in ’96,” she samples indie groups like the xx and the Vines and talks about alienation
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
"rhyming as a sonic technique" I mean come on now
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
I did dig that N&C article tho, thx for the link sil
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i don't think anyone would deny that hip-hop is male-coded, has been male-dominated, and it won't stop being weighted towards dudes any time soon, but to say that it's essentially about masculinity is what seems o_0
failing to address the history of white female rappers who haven't come across as paltrow-style jokes (which i think even paltrow was aware of!) is a bit of an oversight too.
also i think kreayshawn has worked very hard at establishing hip-hop cred!
the paragraph about labelism is half a good point but i'm not sure that labelism is a thing that needs to be defended in such strong terms. the history of hip-hop is as peppered with anti-labelism as brands brands brands.
class unaddressed too?! like, isn't a reason that eminem and yelawolf are accepted their poor backgrounds (cf the obviously privileged middle-class fratboyisms of asher roth and mac miller). kreayshawn and v-nasty don't actually seem particularly privileged to me.
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
yeah - agree about this and about the class aspect too. like part of the reason Paltrow et al look ridiculous is due to class, it's not just gender and race.
who are you thinking of here, Luscious Jackson?
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
i wasn't but yeah! luscious jackson, tairrie b, princess superstar, lady sovereign, there are probably more.
(i don't know much about tairrie b myself, only read about her)
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's still a pretty narrow sample size... Princess Superstar and Lady Sovereign are non-entities over here (and Toure didn't seem interested in engaging with UK hip hop or how it would figure in at all - probably just would have muddied the waters since class/race issues are so different between the US & UK)
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
the earliest example I can think of ESG but they weren't exactly rapping
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
haha i think my basic criticism of the piece is that the waters are muddier than what he describes
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
all the names i mentioned (except luscious jackson?) had the active patronage of some pretty heavyweight black male american rappers though
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
also none of the white female rappers he discusses are exactly megastars - they're all at or around the level that princess superstar and lady sov were when their whiteness and femaleness got them written about in the mainstream press
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
cher lloyd!!
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
i like toure but i'm not reading this -- enough w/ the nyt and kreayshawn
― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw I doubt LJ would've gone anywhere without their connection to the Beasties.
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
I will rep for this track tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoK1Sdie_0g
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink
pro tip, they're both white
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
This week in Slate Hitchens on why women aren't rappy.
― Hurting, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
ok heritage, whatever, stop playing dumb unless you wanna argue kreayshawn and gwyneth paltrow are coming from the same cultural place here
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
well they're both Jews
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
both with parents in the entertainment industry
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
huh and Bruce Paltrow was Russian, I had no idea...
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
haha neither did i!
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
coming from the same cultural place has nothing to do w/ whether or not someone is white
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
well, i dont mean to go that far. but they're overlapping ideas, not completely reflective ones
for all intents & purposes, in the u.s., both artists are white
the caption "Kreayshawn has a slow and cutesy approach to rapping." >>>> the article
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
guys northern state
― miranda lambo (dealwithit.gif), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
discuss: princess superstar is hands down the best white female rapper who ever lived and that's an indisputable fucking fact
on the evidence of this mixtape it's certainly not iggy azalea, at any rate
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 11:42 (twelve years ago) link
lol northern state
i still like the sarai single more than pretty much anything by anyone mentioned in this convo
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 12:17 (twelve years ago) link
how good is this ?
http://lilt601.bandcamp.com/track/n-as-in-the-trap-ft-ab-2
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link