The Andy Stott is now out in a 2CD version with bonus tracks (which are of a similar level of quality to the rest)
― Number None, Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
i dont read the guardian so i dont know what the 'comments box massive' listen to generally, but i can make a guess at radiohead,gapdyxx,fleet foxes, bon iver etc?
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:25 (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
the thing is that most ppl who comment there literally just do so to complain about stuff, so for the most part who the fuck even knows
to an extent that's because there's no real sense of community and personal interaction that you get on an actual messageboard, but I think another important factor is that they're the worst group of people on the face of the planet
― Extreme Lifestyle, Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
I used to love pop music, and the pop music I used to love back then I still love now. But this is rubbish, and all of the other items on your list are rubbish. The rot set in about 1987 and we've had a terminal decline ever since that leaves us with just this drek to listen to. And you know it too: you can pretend all you like, but you feel the vacuum deep inside.
:D
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
Terrible, awful pop nonsense - and for the record I really do like good pop music. Ting Tings was a superb pop album. This is not.
^this is the best so far I think
― Extreme Lifestyle, Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
Innerspeaker15 December 2011 1:25PMResponse to rupert303, 15 December 2011 1:17PMHang your head in shame, Guardian Music.Both Katy B and Beyonce are in the Hipster's Bible's (Pitchfork's) Top 30 albums of the year.You know, just saying....
Hang your head in shame, Guardian Music.
Both Katy B and Beyonce are in the Hipster's Bible's (Pitchfork's) Top 30 albums of the year.
You know, just saying....
duly noted, person named after Tame Impala album
― he said "grody" (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
also: wtf @ Machine Head making one of the best metal albums of the year? They were around when I was in high school I think...?
― he said "grody" (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
the thing is that most ppl who comment there literally just do so to complain about stuff, so for the most part who the fuck even knowsto an extent that's because there's no real sense of community and personal interaction that you get on an actual messageboard, but I think another important factor is that they're the worst group of people on the face of the planet― Extreme Lifestyle,
― Extreme Lifestyle,
so if pj harvey wins everyone will moan its predictable safe boring ,a nadir for music journalism and rockist and if its excluded they will instead complain the guardian is out of touch, a terrible shame on music journalism, a nadir for the guardian and poppist ?
Wonder if the daily mail or the sun publish a best albums list. I would imagine the comments there would be far worse.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
is there any writers there who cover metal or did they just pick it out of nowhere?Anyway having not heard it i cant comment on it, but I doubt it's one of the best but maybe it has crossover potential? Their 3rd album had some terrific pop moments on it.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
Neu7515 December 2011 2:47PMPop lists tend to be a bit homogenus these days.Take 1981 for example for the #1's:NME - Nightclubbing - Grace JonesMelody Maker - Penthouse And Pavement - Heaven 17Sounds - Dare - Human LeagueNo doubt PJ Harvey's album is good but where's the variety or are the media class that decides these things are all of a similar mindset?
15 December 2011 2:47PM
Pop lists tend to be a bit homogenus these days.
Take 1981 for example for the #1's:
NME - Nightclubbing - Grace JonesMelody Maker - Penthouse And Pavement - Heaven 17Sounds - Dare - Human League
No doubt PJ Harvey's album is good but where's the variety or are the media class that decides these things are all of a similar mindset?
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
lex youre a part of the guardian mindset!
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
Heaven 17 and Human League? My god, how diverse!
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― he said "grody" (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
lex is totally right though about getting the popcorn out for the comments section. I think whoever said they dont even know why they are arguing or what about is totally right
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
really really fuck these people who are voting the clams casino instrumental versions of 'i'm god' and 'motivation' over the lil b vocal versions. i know lil b isn't always great but he absolutely owns those two tracks :'(
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
and "I'm God" is nearly two years old at this point
― Number None, Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah! Fuck all these guys who aren't voting for something even its fans admit is patchy as fuck!
Machine Head will be Dom Lawson's number one I guess. Good to see him writing for the Graun. About time they had a dedicated metal writer. (Although they did have some sterling work done by sub Jamie Thomson.)
― Doran, Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
i've listened to so little of these lists apart from the rap/r&b. even all the electronic music listed i've mostly never heard of and i've probably been out clubbing more / listened to more house music than ever before. even that RA albums list is looking like fact-music to me. hopefully their singles list will be better.
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
the instrumental version appears on one of the lists upthread
Fuck all these guys who aren't voting for something even its fans admit is patchy as fuck!
i didn't say those songs were patchy as fuck, i'm saying they are classics.
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
I was agreeing with you tpp
― Number None, Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
ah sorry - having a bit of a bad day
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyS9kU4F9x4
― Number None, Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
:-) love that song
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
Machine Head will be Dom Lawson's number one I guess. Good to see him writing for the Graun. About time they had a dedicated metal writer.
That's cool. He used to write for Kerrang didn't he? and now Metal Hammer
btw as an aside doran, as you know I've been really critical of Metal Hammer in the past, but ive bought the last 2 issues (yeah im a sucker for lists) but they are covering some of the bands I like and its not bad, even if really expensive £4.75!!!! It's not as good as Terrorizer or ZT or Rock-A-Rolla for me but might pick it up again if there's someone i really like in it. Enjoyed the Subterranea section, wish the whole mag was like it though! and again it's nice to read a magazine with loads of reviews.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
also it's first time since 2008 that hawtin/villalobos haven't taken the top 2 places of the RA DJ chart
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
*sigh*
To all the rockist complainers why don't you just accept that rock music is creatively dead and The Guardian writers are acknowledging that also proving they are not luddite old farts stuck in the past of rocks history like the great majority of posters here.The only way this list could be ruined would be if a metal album was number 1. And I'd hope Guardian writers would have more taste than liking the whitest anti-minorities music of all time. Funny how black metal is played and listened to by exclusively white men. Metal is very much a whites only club so all of you whinging that there is no Mastodong, Wolves In The Bathroom or Shiturgy should go read kerrap or terrorizer with the other spotty oiks in their midlands estates.I just wish Katy B or Beyonce had been number 1 to see all your collective heads explode.
if that guy is typical of the commentors on the site then fuck them
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
i might use wolves in the bathroom as a d/n though
Fair enough about 'lady gag'. Im not trying to be hipster. i just find her whole persona so empty and her songs more-so. I think for reading articles linked under culture in one of the most popular newspapers in the world we can do better.I try to read this site so maybe i can find something inspiring that relates to my life, but with gaga its just insipid i find..there is nothing there.Btw i dont hate pop music. Blondie are my favorite band, i just cant stand meaningless bland over-hyped pop, which i find gaga to be.
I try to read this site so maybe i can find something inspiring that relates to my life, but with gaga its just insipid i find..there is nothing there.
Btw i dont hate pop music. Blondie are my favorite band, i just cant stand meaningless bland over-hyped pop, which i find gaga to be.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
'all songs considered' listeners taking a stand
1. Bon Iver: Bon Iver
2. Fleet Foxes: Helplessness Blues
3. Adele: 21
4. The Decemberists: The King Is Dead
5. Radiohead: The King Of Limbs
6. Black Keys: El Camino
7. Wilco: The Whole Love
8. Florence + the Machine: Ceremonials
9. Beirut: The Rip Tide
10. Foster The People: Torches
11. M83: Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming
12. Feist: Metals
13. Iron & Wine: Kiss Each Other Clean
14. tUnE-yArDs: w h o k i l l
15. St. Vincent: Strange Mercy
16. The Civil Wars: Barton Hollow
17. Death Cab for Cutie: Codes And Keys
18. Tom Waits: Bad As Me
19. My Morning Jacket: Circuital
20. Bright Eyes: The People’s Key
21. Jay-Z and Kanye West: Watch The Throne
22. Coldplay: Mylo Xyloto
23. PJ Harvey: Let England Shake
24. Cults: Cults
25. James Blake: James Blake
― maura, Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
Mastodong, Wolves In The Bathroom or Shiturgy
quite funneh actually.
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
forgot death cab even put out an album this year
― v-shasty, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
i wouldnt go that far dog latin.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
I think there are now plenty of indie/rock kids out there who are ready and willing to diversify and explore other styles, but for whom diving straight into the deep end of r'n'b is just a little outside their comfort zones. When an artist is presented in the way of Frank Ocean, it doesn't feel like such a leap and hopefully this will lead to further exploration: "Well I can deal with Frank Ocean, how about The-Dream" and onwards...
way late to this but sort of can't believe this kind of strawmanning still goes on. people are not genre partisans anymore, by and large. (except maybe rap and metalheads I guess lol)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
it's really more that there are people who are genre partisans and people who aren't, regardless of genre
― OH NOES, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
there are people who like to think they're not genre partisans (and genre isn't quite the right word tbh)
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
what is the right word
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
"aesthetic"? idk i'm multitasking right now
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
challops partisans
― Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
EVERYONE is an aesthetic partisan* though
― OH NOES, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, I'm probably an aesthetic partisan - not that I like solely a single aesthetic, but that I can quite clearly partition 'my' aesthetics and 'not-my' aesthetics. But that has nothing to do with genre at all.
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
^ likes pizza aesthetics
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, emil.y makes complete sense - that I think most ppl do have overt or otherwise aesthetic preferences which slot into distinct patterns, though whether that dovetails neatly with "genre" is another kettle of fish.
― Thomosexual II (Fotherington Thomas), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
Fotherington T what did you mean by
This is where JR and I have ~differences~ but I am really uncomfortable with the way that "Metal" has been raised to that position of automatic rockist privilege that "Indie" used to occupy 20 years ago, now that "Indie" has become completely mainstream.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
aesthetic paisan
― n/a, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
aesthetic parmesan
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
agree with the whole "aesthetics" thing, but really:
way late to this but sort of can't believe this kind of strawmanning still goes on. people are not genre partisans anymore, by and large. (except maybe rap and metalheads I guess lol)― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:26 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:26 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
you're seriously telling me you never meet people any more who say they hate "all rap" or glorify rock music because "it's more real" or whatever? this is diminishing, which is what i was saying upthread, but it hasn't gone away.
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really want to get into it, JR, because this is not the place, and I probably shouldn't have brought it up if it was a challop I was not prepared to get into an argument of. But a lot of the dialogues that I see happening around "Metal" these days just remind me uncomfortably of the discussions around "Alternative" and "Punk" and whathaveyou back in the late 80s and early 90s, in terms of insider/outsider positioning and authenticity narratives.
But I am running on way too little sleep at the moment to pad it out into any cogent argument, so I'd really rather not.
― Thomosexual II (Fotherington Thomas), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
ou're seriously telling me you never meet people any more who say they hate "all rap"
More common for me to meet people who like "all music except country."
― Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
I literally cannot remember the last time anyone said this kind of thing to me. maybe in the 90s in lol college. certainly none of the kids I know talk this way.
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
The 'i like everything except rap/metal/country/reggae/rave shite/opera/punk/modern rnb that isnt like the yardbirds' brigade have not gone away. They exist and sadly get younger every year.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
modern rnb that isnt like the yardbirds
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link