Then you've got Liturgy - a black metal band who dress as hipsters - and as you can imagine they have SCORN poured over them by so-called "true" black metal types who see them as an insult to their traditions. But is it bad that Liturgy (who I haven't heard yet, but understand are pretty good) get reviewed in Pitchfork, but not Weakling? I wouldn't say it's fair but if it means indie kids might be tempted to check out a bit of metal for a change, then I'm all for it.
yeah Liturgy are scorned by some for his 'essays' and youtube videos.Weakling probably preceded pitchfork hence no coverage.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 12:56 (twelve years ago) link
I'm so out of touch...
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Thursday, 15 December 2011 12:57 (twelve years ago) link
you should hang out in metal threads thenand get a pair of headphones
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:00 (twelve years ago) link
NY resolution IMO
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
Okay, Katy B is no 2 in the Guardian list and presumably PJ Harvey is no 1.
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:16 (twelve years ago) link
is that predictable for the guardian?
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:17 (twelve years ago) link
I suggest we stop thinking of genres and concentrate on artists instead. Questions of taxonomy are impossible to answer. Lots of listeners don't consider Lady Antebellum and Taylor Swift country. Artists shape genres, not the other way around.
Many years ago, knowing little about traditional R&B other than what I heard on the radio, I bought a Luther Vandross comp -- a perfect gateway. Then I bought artists similar to Vandross. Soon whatever I considered "R&B" sounded accessible -- I "got it," so to speak.
My favorite R&B album of the year: Marsha Ambrosius' Late Nights & Early Mornings. Seek it out!
― Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:18 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know, but it's a way less boring result than it could have been.
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:21 (twelve years ago) link
KATY B!
it was predictable for me but that's cuz i knew who else was voting and what their tastes were (which is why i was certain that beyoncé would be top 10, too). i imagine it is not so predictable to the beloved comments box massive
*gets popcorn out*
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
This list has just lost its last shred of credibility.
Poor show all round for people whose taste in music is meant to be at professional levels.
Hang your head in shame, Guardian Music.
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
haha
just to post in character, did any metal make the list? A token album even? Mastodon?
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
The Lex is obviously truly invested in r'n'b and gets frustrated with critics fawning over this spruced up, watered down, crossover stuff when in his experience there's much better stuff out there
framing in the argument in this way cracks me up since there are a LOT of people who would characterize the kind of R&B that lex stumps for as spruced up, watered down, crossover stuff. that's kind of why i shy away from these "REAL R&B" convos because i'm used to being on the other end of those kinds of debates about soul music traditions and purism.
that said, R&B is having a serious identity crisis these days, critically as well as commercially and creatively, but i feel like that also makes it an exciting time with a lot of music that's great and/or worth talking about.
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
i dont read the guardian so i dont know what the 'comments box massive' listen to generally, but i can make a guess at radiohead,gapdyxx,fleet foxes, bon iver etc?
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
43 Machine Head – Unto the Locust
^ metal on the Guardian list
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't expect machine head to be the token metal act! I've not heard that album but it's popping up a lot. I suppose I should give it a listen. I did like a couple of their older albums
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
But... but... this is top of the pops fodder. This is uninteresting, unintelligent, plain boring pop music. There is really only one album issued this year that you think is better than this? Only one?
:D
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
pop music is boring?
― pandemic, Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
Innerspeaker15 December 2011 1:25PMResponse to rupert303, 15 December 2011 1:17PM Hang your head in shame, Guardian Music.Both Katy B and Beyonce are in the Hipster's Bible's (Pitchfork's) Top 30 albums of the year.You know, just saying.....
15 December 2011 1:25PMResponse to rupert303, 15 December 2011 1:17PM
Both Katy B and Beyonce are in the Hipster's Bible's (Pitchfork's) Top 30 albums of the year.
You know, just saying.....
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
Just sayin'
― Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
Yes nothing in the guardian list should appear in any other list.
― pandemic, Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
lex do you know how many people voted?
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
No! Considering 2011 was one of the best years for music in years (much better than the last two anyway) this list is your worst ever...
Where on earth are Girls, Yuck and WU LYF?
where indeed!
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
HA HA.
(I say this not having heard the Katy B album. But I do know that Girls and Wu Lyf are shitty shit shit. Not heard Yuck either.)
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
not exactly sure how many, all the regular contributors i'd guess
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
the Katy B has been the perfect December record.
― Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty sure as part of Guardian Music's application process you have to submit a 500 word essay on how you would pleasure Thom Yorke.
Wait, remind me, why don't I write for the Grauniad agane>?
― Thomosexual II (Fotherington Thomas), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
i've never heard wu lyf, but i do know that yuck and girls are among the worst music i've heard, like, ever
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
funnily enough I thought of you K when I read that
I mean jesus! Fucked Up release an absoutely jaw dropping call to arms concept album loaded with fight and fire and that doesnt get in the top 50 but you see fit to give this school disco faux-chav pop drivel NUMBER 2!It fucking is a number 2 but not of the 'record of the year' kind.
It fucking is a number 2 but not of the 'record of the year' kind.
whiney playing brit again?
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
See if Mastodon were to be #1. The comments box would explode with metal stereotyping wouldnt it?
Guardian missing the chance to troll there.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
i was going to say this about the andy stott or demdike stares discs, if and when it finally gets cold around here.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:54 (twelve years ago) link
The Andy Stott is now out in a 2CD version with bonus tracks (which are of a similar level of quality to the rest)
― Number None, Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:25 (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
the thing is that most ppl who comment there literally just do so to complain about stuff, so for the most part who the fuck even knows
to an extent that's because there's no real sense of community and personal interaction that you get on an actual messageboard, but I think another important factor is that they're the worst group of people on the face of the planet
― Extreme Lifestyle, Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
I used to love pop music, and the pop music I used to love back then I still love now. But this is rubbish, and all of the other items on your list are rubbish. The rot set in about 1987 and we've had a terminal decline ever since that leaves us with just this drek to listen to. And you know it too: you can pretend all you like, but you feel the vacuum deep inside.
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
Terrible, awful pop nonsense - and for the record I really do like good pop music. Ting Tings was a superb pop album. This is not.
^this is the best so far I think
― Extreme Lifestyle, Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
Innerspeaker15 December 2011 1:25PMResponse to rupert303, 15 December 2011 1:17PMHang your head in shame, Guardian Music.Both Katy B and Beyonce are in the Hipster's Bible's (Pitchfork's) Top 30 albums of the year.You know, just saying....
You know, just saying....
duly noted, person named after Tame Impala album
― he said "grody" (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
also: wtf @ Machine Head making one of the best metal albums of the year? They were around when I was in high school I think...?
― he said "grody" (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
the thing is that most ppl who comment there literally just do so to complain about stuff, so for the most part who the fuck even knowsto an extent that's because there's no real sense of community and personal interaction that you get on an actual messageboard, but I think another important factor is that they're the worst group of people on the face of the planet― Extreme Lifestyle,
― Extreme Lifestyle,
so if pj harvey wins everyone will moan its predictable safe boring ,a nadir for music journalism and rockist and if its excluded they will instead complain the guardian is out of touch, a terrible shame on music journalism, a nadir for the guardian and poppist ?
Wonder if the daily mail or the sun publish a best albums list. I would imagine the comments there would be far worse.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
is there any writers there who cover metal or did they just pick it out of nowhere?Anyway having not heard it i cant comment on it, but I doubt it's one of the best but maybe it has crossover potential? Their 3rd album had some terrific pop moments on it.
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
Neu7515 December 2011 2:47PMPop lists tend to be a bit homogenus these days.Take 1981 for example for the #1's:NME - Nightclubbing - Grace JonesMelody Maker - Penthouse And Pavement - Heaven 17Sounds - Dare - Human LeagueNo doubt PJ Harvey's album is good but where's the variety or are the media class that decides these things are all of a similar mindset?
15 December 2011 2:47PM
Pop lists tend to be a bit homogenus these days.
Take 1981 for example for the #1's:
NME - Nightclubbing - Grace JonesMelody Maker - Penthouse And Pavement - Heaven 17Sounds - Dare - Human League
No doubt PJ Harvey's album is good but where's the variety or are the media class that decides these things are all of a similar mindset?
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
lex youre a part of the guardian mindset!
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
Heaven 17 and Human League? My god, how diverse!
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― he said "grody" (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
lex is totally right though about getting the popcorn out for the comments section. I think whoever said they dont even know why they are arguing or what about is totally right
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
really really fuck these people who are voting the clams casino instrumental versions of 'i'm god' and 'motivation' over the lil b vocal versions. i know lil b isn't always great but he absolutely owns those two tracks :'(
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
and "I'm God" is nearly two years old at this point
― Number None, Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah! Fuck all these guys who aren't voting for something even its fans admit is patchy as fuck!
Machine Head will be Dom Lawson's number one I guess. Good to see him writing for the Graun. About time they had a dedicated metal writer. (Although they did have some sterling work done by sub Jamie Thomson.)
― Doran, Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
i've listened to so little of these lists apart from the rap/r&b. even all the electronic music listed i've mostly never heard of and i've probably been out clubbing more / listened to more house music than ever before. even that RA albums list is looking like fact-music to me. hopefully their singles list will be better.
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
the instrumental version appears on one of the lists upthread
Fuck all these guys who aren't voting for something even its fans admit is patchy as fuck!
i didn't say those songs were patchy as fuck, i'm saying they are classics.
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
I was agreeing with you tpp
― Number None, Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
ah sorry - having a bit of a bad day
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Thursday, 15 December 2011 15:19 (twelve years ago) link