TS: Belly's "Star" vs Belly's "King"

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wow, not too soon is even better than i remember. some tracks are better with age. i don't know about that claim, but it's great.

Surmounter (Awn, R), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i never dug king particularly, the first single (the name of which i've briefly forgotten) was really good but the album never sunk in for me

"Seal My Fate"? I had the opposite impression: one of the weaker songs, poorly representative of the album.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link

me too almost, alfred - but it's definitely a grower

and i LOVE the thick texture on it

Surmounter (Awn, R), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i remember really loving the first two 4AD 12inches/eps, and never digging the albums as much. but it was all so long ago...

scott seward (121212), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh this is making me realize how badly i need to restock some of my CD's

i can't believe i let some of them get so scratched and crap. real ramona from amazon like SOON.

Surmounter (Awn, R), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link

You King fans: were you fans of the first album and Donelly in general?

i liked "feed the tree" and "slow dog," but i guess not enough to buy the album. i bought king because i loved "now they'll sleep," then went back and got star. i like it, but to me it's a little thin, both melody- and production-wise, compared to king. they're both good records, though. and i saw the video for "feed the tree" on vh-1 classic the other night and dug it as much as ever.

(speaking of videos -- now they'll sleep

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 February 2007 08:04 (seventeen years ago) link

also worth noting: tanya has the demos for star up on her website.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 February 2007 08:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"Is Throwing Muses' "Not Too Soon" the best thing Donelly's ever written?"

either that or green.

scott seward (121212), Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Man I miss my Belly recs.

Michael Joseph Savage (HYPERVIGILANTE!), Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

STAR WINS

Ray Cummings (skateboardr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I dug Star more because – and mind you, I haven’t listened to the record for a long, long time, going on memory here – it felt so mystical mysterious and etheral and light, unlike anything I’d encountered up to that point; I was a sophomore in high school when it came out, I think. (Funny side note: I actually bought this album because some bonehead told me that “Push Th’ Lil Daisies” was a Belly song when I asked him. Misdirection that worked out nicely in the end, really.) “White Belly” is the track I listened to obsessively. King didn’t measure up because it was simply too....hard in comparison, too rock, too much of a departure. I always liked “Red” and “Puberty” and maybe another song, but beyond that I just found it to be a boring album that I couldn’t bring myself to care much about. Didn’t bother with Tanya’s solo career.

I read somewhere back in 1995 or so that Belly actually broke up because King didn’t sell well enough, which makes me sorta sad. Is this true? Did anybody else hear that?

Ray Cummings (skateboardr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I *loved* Star, but then again, I'd always been a massive Throwing Muses fan.

King never really did it for me, it just overproduced (I know, stupid word) and weighty. Her songs seemed more magical when she was just writing them with an acoustic guitar and then sticking a band on, rather than when they were writing AS A ROCK BAND.

I saw them twice, when Leslie from TM was still in the band, yeah, they were really kickass.

Supposedly the Radiohead/Belly tour was one giant mess of horndog indie musician crushes and not-so-twee flirtation.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't read many Donelly interviews, but it would indeed be a sad thing if that were true, Ray. For an "alternative" band in the mid nineties King's sales were quite healthy; they only paled before the surprise success of Star.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I should probably check out Belly properly one day... I never liked any of the quite poptastic singles as much as anything Tanya did *in* t'Muses though.

I imagine Belly were selling a little better than Throwing Muses at that point (circa "Limbo")? Am I wrong stats people? Who also broke up due to declining sales leading to not even covering touring costs, at least that was the official statement.

da mystery of sandboxin' (fandango), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that's the reason I heard for TM becoming a less active concern (& I think the same thing's scuppering 50 Foot Wave as well, unfortunately). I think TM realized their best sales @ the same time that Belly broke (circa University - "Bright Yellow Gun" was all over the place @ one point), but Belly was "new" & exciting & probably got more of a push as a result.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I choose Star. It remains one of the few albums I listen to all the way through - even in the all new mp3 compulsive track skip noughties.

onimo (nu_onimo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I think TM realized their best sales @ the same time that Belly broke (circa University - "Bright Yellow Gun" was all over the place @ one point),

"Bright Yellow Gun" peaked at #20 on the Modern Rock Chart, which is odd considering how omnipresent it seemed the spring of '95.

Speaking of the Muses, I remember some of the promotion for University consisted of reminding people that "Hey! This is the band the Belly chick used to be part of!" This no doubt irked Kirsten Hersh.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong re: University selling well, given that it was TM's last album for Sire / Reprise - they (KH, really) hopped over to Rykodisc for Limbo (& the In a Doghouse collection, I think) after that. Of course, University hit just as the alt.rock boom was petering out, so that probably didn't help any.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

from a Britisher perspective no way was University anything like as "big" (relatively speaking) for them as the time around The Real Ramona and it's respective singles...

da mystery of sandboxin' (fandango), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm being a Ameri-jingo! Jingerican! MORANS!

http://lawwww.cwru.edu/faculty/friedman/raw/images/American%20Flag.jpg

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe University was more American

Surmounter (Awn, R), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

We yanks love guns.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

haha right

Surmounter (Awn, R), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link


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