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― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
seriously anyone who gets mad about HOF inductees without consulting the VORG tables is just wasting our time
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
tbf the people getting angry are Rush and Cure fans
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
imagine the heartbreak of being a fan of both!
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
the complex misery of the prog goth
― n/a, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
it's like getting your face slapped by an ugly preppy girl in a standard 4/4 rhythm
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
^^New board description?
― Tumblr Whites Off Earth Now!! (Sandbox Grisso-McCain), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
ELO's not in either, unless I missed them scanning the list.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't this Ariel Pink's appeal?
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
Beastie Boys are an obvious choice, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are of course absurd (not that I completely hate them, and they got better beginning with "Under the Bridge"). I forget who else was up.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
BB and RHCP are on pretty equal footing in almost every way imo
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
lol, RCHP started sucking when they started getting mainstream attention, got briefly better when they went totally mainstream, then settled directly into a comfortable groove of "just bearable enough to sell tons of records" with periodic lapses into "fucking hell no"
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
I never paid enough attention to them to know the intricacies of their career, but they were better the more melodic they got; the earlier stuff I'd heard--"white dopes on punk" was how Frank Kogan described "Give It Away"--seemed so corny to me.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
uh
― PROVEN BY BOOZE SCIENCE, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
you know that "Give It Away" and "Under the Bridge" came out at the same time on the same album, which was their 5th, right
because your posts here make it seem like you are putting "Give It Away" into a much earlier bucket than "Under The Bridge"
also their first three albums are the best of their career followed by BSSM; the rest range from tolerable to wholly unforgivable to the point where someone should travel back in time and beat the shit out of the band before they could get into the studio and unleash this aural shitheap upon a world that deserves better
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
Red Hot Chili Peppers ahead of Chic and Donna Summer is beyond bizarre even for the Hall of Fame. I registered only to express how disturbed I am.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
I did know they were on the same album, yes; they miraculously transformed from cliches to sort-of-okay between songs six and seven...I'm not the person to start analyzing the evolution of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Just making a general point from a non-fan's point of view: putting them in the HOF is silly.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
I get kind of I WAS THERE about RHCP because my older brother was buying their albums as they came out and I'd never heard anything like them; the whole thing of skate punks really, really into/influenced by funk bands was really appealing.
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
No problem, there probably is an age thing here. If I'd been a few years younger when they came along--early '20s, say, instead of late '20s--there's a chance I would have liked them better. (Although funk in general is something I don't often respond to.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
kiedis is definitely in the running for worst male rock vocalist of all time.
― tylerw_sandbox, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it was definitely better when he didn't sing so much, considering that he can't really sing
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
whereas he was one of the finest MCs of the 1980s
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
(Although funk in general is something I don't often respond to.)
Not to worry; as soon as ham-fisted Chad Smith joined, RHCP have been about as funky as a faded L.L. Bean catalog.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
Public Enemy really opened the door for their HOF inclusion
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
lol whiney blew a gasket a few weeks ago when i dissed chad smith
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
I remember that, apparently there are layers upon layers to talent to Smith that us non-drumming dudes are hip to.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
"of talent"
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
A backwards baseball hat is not a layer.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Nor is the ability/inclination to play to a click-track.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
leave Will Farrell alone, it's impressive that he can balance his movie career with his duties as mediocre RHCP drummer
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
I wish the rock n roll hall of fame operated like sports hofs and used statistics w/r/t album sales and end of year lists so we could have sabremetric arguments like "did the small faces really have a HOF career?"
Having engaged in a few such arguments over on ILB, all I can say is be careful what you wish for.
http://www.workpump.com/events/2005/images/frustratedGuy-600px.jpg
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
i'm a drummer! whiney and i usually see eye to eye on drummers more often than not! but then lately he's been all "chad smith is the god, brendan canty can eat a dick"
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
Feels like the Chili Peppers have been inducted every year for the past decade.
― Darin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
<i>but then lately he's been all "chad smith is the god, brendan canty can eat a dick"</i>
I believe you can have someone committed for observation in at least 38 states for making statements like this.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
seriously though, like i think the faces are one of the truly great bands of the 70s, their the rolling stones except you haven't heard every song like 80 zillion times
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
actually one of the only times whiney really gets under my skin is his fugazi trolling
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not even a fugazi megafan, but the idea that chad smith is better than canty is bonkers.
― tylerw_sandbox, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
Even NPR is pissed over the Rush snub:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/12/07/143261555/shouldnt-rush-be-in-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame
― moodles, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
the Canadian trio has sold more than 40 million records and has "more consecutive gold and platinum records than everyone except the Beatles and the Rolling Stones."
― moodles, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
I think there's a good case to be made for Small Faces + Faces. I'm not sure if either on its own is strong enough.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
holy hell, I didn't realize that EVERY studio album they've released has gone at least gold
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ this. Ian MacLagan is a little miffed that the Small Faces and the Faces are being inducted as a single unit -- they were very different bands -- but it'll be great to see Steve Marriott and Ronnie Lane get some long-overdue recognition.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I mean its not like its just rabid fanboys yapping about the Rush snub. They've been a pretty powerful touring force for their entire existence as well.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
i kinda feel like any musician who can amass a huge fanbase and have a real impact on music history without the approval of shit like the HOF or the Grammys should just wear it like a badge of pride
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
Well, yeah. The more I look at this thread, the more I'm reminding myself that I don't give a rat's ass about the hall of fame.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
rush shouldn't even be a question, they absolutely belong
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
^^^also minus Mick's occasionally egregious silliness
and yeah it's odd that the Small Faces/Faces are being counted as a single unit
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
did geddy lee say something mean to dave marsh once?
― tylerw_sandbox, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
if bands with changing lineups want to be considered a whole new band they should change their ENTIRE name
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
What about Iron Maiden? They've sold more records than Rush.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link