lex I think you are arguing a different point than was being made. Nobody was really trying to bring "crossover" into this, just saying that a standard working definition of "household name" usually means appealing to a wider audience than just the cross-section that would typically be aware of such a figure.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Friday, 2 December 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Exactly.
I'm not dismissing Ambrosius or Saadiq at all! In fact, I probably should listen to those albums since I've heard good things.
I'm just saying they're not household names. Like, my parents would have no idea who either of them are.
― dyao think i'm sexy (jaymc), Friday, 2 December 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
oh god if we're going to the always-irrelevant "who have my parents heard of" argument, i don't think any pop star could be called a household name. i am fairly sure my parents have no idea who lady gaga is.
― lex pretend, Friday, 2 December 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
in a culture where ppl claim to never have heard of Lady Gaga, you are basically saying that there is no such thing as a household name
otm. this is pretty standard "death of the mononculture" stuff. my parents will only have heard of current music if it gets played on NPR, for example.
― rob (night house), Friday, 2 December 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
Well, I'm just using my parents as a stand-in for "reasonably well-informed people who aren't R&B fans."
I don't think "household name" implies recognition from 100% of the population, but it's got to be at least half. I think Lady Gaga and Beyonce have gotten to that point, but Ambrosius and Saadiq have not.
― dyao think i'm sexy (jaymc), Friday, 2 December 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
I think, from context, you can infer the scope in which "household name" is being used very easily and therefore there's no need to say "a person can only be a household name if ppl who don't give a shit about them know they exist"
― OH NOES, Friday, 2 December 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Rise Record (UK) EOY 2011
http://www.rise-music.co.uk/browse.php?campaign=AOTW
50.Summer Camp : Welcome To Condale49.The Decemberists : The King Is Dead48.James Blake : James Blake47.King Creosote & Jon Hopkins : Diamond Mine46.Gang Gang Dance: Eye Contact45.Bill Callahan : Apocalypse44.Wild Beasts : Smother43.Zun Zun Egui : Katang42.Planningtorock : W41.Mastodon : The Hunter40. Little Roy : Battle For Seattle39.Deerhoof : Vs. Evil38.Blood Orange : Coastal Grooves37.Dutch Uncles : Cadenza36.Cat's Eyes : S/T35.Cults : S/T34.Hyetal : Broadcast33.E.M.A : Past Life Martyred Saints32.Battles : Gloss Drop31.Anna Calvi : Anna Calvi30.Lanterns on the Lake : Gracious Tide, Take Me Home29.Girls : Father, Son, Holy Ghost28.Wilco : The Whole Love27.Tom WaitsBad As Me26.The Field : Looping State of Mind25.Other Lives : Tamer Animals24.Ryan Adams : Ashes & Fire23.Fair Oh's: Everything Is Dancing22.Ghostpoet: Peanut Butter Blues & Meloncholy Jam21.White Denim : D20.Wye OakCivilian19.St. Vincent : Strange Mercy18. Real Estate : Days17.Lykke Li : Wounded Rhymes16.Veronica Falls : Veronica Falls15.Nicolas Jaar: Space Is Only Noise14. Braids : Native Speaker13.Wooden : ShjipsWest12.Balam Acab : Wander / Wonder11.Metronomy : The English Riviera10. Shabazz : Palaces Black Up9. Little Dragon : Ritual Union8. Antlers : Burst Apart7. P.J Harvey : Let England Shake6. Kurt Vile : Smoke Ring For My Halo5. Josh T. Pearson : Last Of The Country Gentlemen4. Jonathan Wilson : Gentle Spirit3. Walls : Coracle2. Tune-Yards : w h o k i l l1. War On Drugs : Slave Ambient
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Friday, 2 December 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
altered zones best albums
http://alteredzones.com/posts/2163/2011-albums/
Ash Borer: Ash Borer [Pesanta Urfolk]Blues Control & Laraaji: FRKWYS Vol. 8 [RVNG Intl.]The Caretaker: An Empty Bliss Beyond This World [Self-Released]Death Grips: Exmilitary [Self-Released]Future Shuttle: Water's Edge [Holy Mountain]Holy Other: With U [Tri-Angle]Iceage: New Brigade [Escho]John Maus: We Must Become The Pitiless Censors of Ourselves [Ribbon]Julia Holter: Tragedy [Leaving]Julian Lynch: Terra [Underwater Peoples]Jurgen Muller: Science of the Sea [Foxy Digitalis]Laurel Halo: Hour Logic [Hippos In Tanks]Liturgy: Aesthethica [Thrill Jockey]Oneohtrix Point Never: Replica [Software]Peaking Lights: 936 [Not Not Fun]Pete Swanson: Man With Potential [Type]Prince Rama: Trust Now [Paw Tracks]Pure X: Pleasure [Acéphale]Run DMT: Dreams [Culture Dealer]Tim Hecker: Ravedeath, 1972 [Kranky]
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Friday, 2 December 2011 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
08: JULIANNA BARWICK - THE MAGIC PLACE (ASTHMATIC KITTY)
heard this for the first time today, going through the FACT top 10, and the song "Prizewinning", near the end, absolutely floored me. i may be biased by the fact that i fell asleep with headphones and it woke me up out of an outstanding dream, but it's a beautiful song. the choral loops that characterize the album are complemented by a bit more rhythm than most of the other songs, via the repeating keyboard bass lines throughout and the addition of the snares that threaten to cave into themselves (nice subtle loopstation work) in the latter half of the song
― Z S, Friday, 2 December 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
i heard the song building up during my dream and honestly felt like i had finally died and there was a better place
haha, i kind of like the altered zones list.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 2 December 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
some really good stuff in that list
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
z s you should give julia kent's new record a listen, i think youd really like it
the alty zoney list kinda hilights my problem with the FACT list. like im sure whiney will be along to say something suitably cutting abt the lack of korn on that list but at least its a statement
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
Death Grips: Exmilitary [Self-Released]
also this is p incredible, def hi up on my own list
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
i think the statement is that korn sucks.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
Julia Kent's Green and Grey? thanks lamp (you are a lamp, i think?), i'll check it out!
― Z S, Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
its certainly a FACT
xp
― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
yeah thats the one although 'delay' has some good stuff on it too. (and yes, lol)
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
So what you're saying lamp is that the indie-ish stuff that the FACT list trumpets (John Maus/Peaking Lights/GGD) are all kinda safe-bet capitulations to consensus?
― dism-al-isms (henrietta lacks), Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
its more that theyre nods to... idk 'consensus' has the wrong connotations, it feels more like cool-hunting i guess, which is always a risky proposition. its like a list of things theyve heard of rather than listened to or s.thing
i dont even really have a problem with a mag basically listing what they think are the hippest records of the year, it certainly has more merit than the whole faux humble 'these are just some records we really liked, guys!' thing which feels disingenuous w/anything but a single person's list. its more that i think FACT lacks any kind of aesthetic or worldview when theyre talking abt these kind of albums & its just like 'oohh that labels cool, yeah, prurient!' i mean why is 'logic hour' better than 'antenna', yknow?
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
its like a list of things theyve heard of rather than listened to or s.thing
there's no way you can know that, tho. i mean, by its nature, "consensus" will push to the margins the more individual, idiosyncratic choices.
btw, the sample song on that rustie album -- fact's no. 2 of 2011 -- is . . . okay.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
haha i wld bet real money that the FACT staff have actually listened to the records they voted for, my point was more that its not a list of 50 records that sits comfortably together in my eyes, and that the only real throughline is 'tumblr buzz' (sort of).
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
i don't normally read FACT mag., but i have liked their year-end lists. this one does feel different, especially the top 10. not yet sure why.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 December 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
Z S otm, Prizewinning is such a good moment on that album--the drums!
― rob (night house), Saturday, 3 December 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
i think i forgot to vote for death grips in the only thing i voted in this year u_u
― dr. strongo, Saturday, 3 December 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
Tbh FACT having five of my favorite albums of the year on their list made me feel a bit hip, but I might be a bit naïve if not oblivious as to the mechanics of tumblr buzz and other Internet-based realities
― dism-al-isms (henrietta lacks), Saturday, 3 December 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
death grips bugs me because not liking their mixtape makes me feel old and uncool.
i tried listening to it about three times. each time i turned it off within about five minutes, and put on something like richard hawley instead.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
don't sweat it i'm young and cool and don't like death grips that much, either ;-)
― wil smif, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:24 (twelve years ago) link
whew. great.
i like shannon and the clams, tho! they're cool.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
:((((
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:00 (twelve years ago) link
<q>the alty zoney list kinda hilights my problem with the FACT list. like im sure whiney will be along to say something suitably cutting abt the lack of korn on that list but at least its a statement</q>
i mean their list is whatever, but i'm deeply, sincerely embarrassed for anyone who honestly think john maus is better than korn. it's pretty much just admitting you believe everything you read.
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:11 (twelve years ago) link
i like that john maus album a lot. i've returned to it on spotify about 10 times, maybe, and i really like the song cop killer.
i hate korn.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
the band, not the yellow vegetable.
also, i don't believe everything i read.
i know, for instance, that that whole "bat-boy" story from the weekly world news isn't true.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I really can only laugh when someone accuses me of being a sucker because I don't like Korn.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
Like, yeah, that massive internet conspiracy to fool me into thinking John Maus is better than a terrible nu-metal band grafting shitty brostep over their songs got me. Thanks Altered Zones!
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
No, I totally understand not liking Korn. I don't understand liking John Maus.
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
i showed deathgrips to a friend who spent all of highschool trying to get me into k0rn and he loved it
― wil smif, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
OMG GOOGLE KORN FIND WIL SMIF
― v-shasty, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
The John Maus album is really just "okay", but even the worst track on their was miles ahead of the three Korn/Skrillex songs I heard.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
rights for gays oh yeah
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
twitter is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains people for how they shall think
are you whiney dw/it.gif? do you like cities aviv??
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
Death Grips release is waaaay too harsh sounding, I can listen to like 1 song every other week or so.
― Scotty Magee, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:25 (twelve years ago) link
trying again with the death grips mixtape now.
i think it hear a 50s sample in one of the songs? the mixtape song is spread eagle, i think; sample is link wray, maybe.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:25 (twelve years ago) link
why does everyone think i'm whiney
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
VERY good question
― v-shasty, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:30 (twelve years ago) link
People actually like that Beastie Boys lp huh?
― Scotty Magee, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:31 (twelve years ago) link
Beastie Boys LP is dope
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:32 (twelve years ago) link
well, that mixtape is better than i first thought. got to be in the right mood for it, tho.
feel like i need to listen to the captain and tenille now.
maybe there should be a death-grips/captain-and-tenille collaboration.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:36 (twelve years ago) link