i'm just parrotting deej here but the argument can easily be made that FACT's list and paste's list are the exact same thing except FACT covers hip dance music where as paste covers unhip starbucks rock -- there's just about the same amount of deviation from the expected norm
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
who is the frank turner of hip dance music?
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
cos that shit is just embarrassing
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
people are all up under FACT's nuts bcuz a lot of the shit they cover is obscure but if you don't care about white label techno just like you don't care about "middle brother", shit is equally as boring and insular
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
xpI don't disagree with that idea or emil.y's metal list point and have no problem with Paste's list--it serves it demographic function. What I like about FACT's list is that things show up on it that I missed even as a reader of their site.
― rob (night house), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
eh, a lot of stuff on the fact list feels like new sounds, whereas the paste stuff feels like records i've heard a million times before. but yeah, perspective perspective....
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
OMG XANDER HARRIS AND LEGOWELT, WHAT A DIVERSE & INFORMATIVE LIST *fart*
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
look i haven't heard xander harris or legowelt or 262 or damu or africa hitech or the haxan cloak but i'm pretty sure most of them aren't bringing that much new shit to their genres
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
not that there is anything wrong with what FACT does, i just bristle a bit at the reaction that the list gets every year. at least half of that stuff is just boring as shit.
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
true, but i guess that's why they're down at the bottom end of the list. expecting to see stuff like julia holter and pinch & shackleton in the top 20 and those are pretty innovative imo xp
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
and they won't get a mention elsewhere
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
damu and legowelt are good!
i thought v-shasty WAS deej?
white label techno is better than white indie rock, this is obv
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
(not that i'm particularly repping for the fact list but it's waaaaay preferable to paste)
maybe v-shasty IS deej
lex i probably agree with you but it doesn't make the list any less 'boring' from a distance
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
v-nasty g vastgarten more like
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
almost
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
the mysterious dave cool?
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
xpI think it's the "distance" thing that I don't get or at least don't share. I don't need FACT to try to cover the immense terrain of all music in 2011. I just want them to remind me to listen to stuff I missed or skipped. Telling me what they like in their little microcosm is useful to me not boring. But I'm not a music critic, so these lists are better as tools--basically glorified playlists--rather than barometers of taste or what's "important" in music. But I guess I'm not sure what you're looking for in a year-end list. what makes a list not boring?
― rob (night house), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
i like the fact list (this year and every year). i always forget to check their site the rest of the year, and so it's usually full of stuff i'm not familiar with. i end up disliking a good chunk of the music, but always find at least a handful of albums that are great.
― Z S, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
i also like the FACT list. some of the stuff on it is boring -- that's true of every publication's aggregated list -- but much of it is fascinating and throws a light on underappreciated titles.
1. Nicholas Szczepanik, 'Please Stop Loving Me'2. The Psychic Paramount, 'II'3. Bill Orcutt, 'How The Things Sing'4. Julia Holter, 'Tragedy'5. Glenn Jones, 'The Wanting'
hm. i haven't even heard of four of these albums. i know of bill orcutt (he of the album cover with all the cool, multi-colored picks), but i haven't heard his solo stuff.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
I don't need FACT to try to cover the immense terrain of all music in 2011. I just want them to remind me to listen to stuff I missed or skipped. Telling me what they like in their little microcosm is useful to me not boring.
i get this. my point is that paste does EXACTLY this as well, but for "uncool"/"bad" music, and it's been decried all over the internet (including by myself!).
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
the psychic paramount album is so good
― n/a, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
that's the one from the top of that list that i have!
i like it, but the opening note/chord is so loud/abrasive that it sometimes is offputting.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
(i am old)
Yep, this album is so great.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
I'm with the Paste-defenders: I won't check out much on their list because it's far from my taste but at least it doesn't look like anyone else's offering. I much prefer seeing lists of albums I didn't know about than endlessly repeating examples of GAPDY syndrome (what's the 2011 equivalent?).
― sean doily, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Psychic Paramount is cool.
― J3ff T., Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
pp is my fave rock album this year, maybe fave period.
― dr. strongo, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
― sean doily, Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:17 PM (5 minutes ago)
what? paste's list looks like every other indie lise
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, they really went out on a limb with that Fleet Foxes-Bon Iver one two
― Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i wasn't coming out in favor of the paste list
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
huh on second glance you're right. I just remembered the Dale Earnhardt/Middle Brother combo (no idea who they are) and assumed there was lots more of that. Delete post.
― sean doily, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
This is not the first time deej has criticized FACT (if it is deej); I remember maybe last year comparing it to Pitchfork for Resident Advisor enthusiasts or something along those lines. Anyways, I like the FACT list bcz it has a bunch of albums on it I like and wanted to hear.
And the Psychic Paramount album is rad, though I might like the Cosmic Dead album more...
― ruth m4rcus is a mor4n (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 1 December 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
No one is playing acoustic guitar like Bill Orcutt right now. No one.
Eugene Chadbourne still playin shows iirc
― dealwithit.gif, Thursday, 1 December 2011 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
1. Nicholas Szczepanik, 'Please Stop Loving Me'
this is a really good record, i think
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 05:00 (twelve years ago) link
the FACT list is p garbage btw
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
very controversial
veeeery controversial
― Z S, Thursday, 1 December 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
why dont you childish my gambino
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 05:31 (twelve years ago) link
I've seen the light!
― ruth m4rcus is a mor4n (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 1 December 2011 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
MOJO EOY 2011
1: PJ Harvey - Let England Shake2: The Horrors - Skying3: Fleet Foxes - Helplessness Blues4: Jonathan Wilson - Gentle Spirit5: Kate Bush - 50 Words For Snow6: White Denim - D7: Josh T Pearson - Last Of The Country Gentlemen8: Anna Calvi - Anna Calvi9: Tom Waits - Bad As Me10: Wild Beasts - Smother11: Laura Marling - A Creature I Dont Know12: Kurt Vile - Smoke Rings For My Halo13: Cat's Eyes - Cat's Eyes14: King Creosote & Jon Hopkins - Diamond Mine15: Paul Simon - So Beautiful Or So What16: Bon Iver - Bon Iver17: Bill Wells & Aidan Moffat - Everything's Getting Older18: Thurston Moore - Demolished Thoughts19: James Blake - James Blake20: My Morning Jacket - Circuital21: The War On Drugs - Slave Ambient22: Beirut - The Rip Tide23: Bill Callahan - Apocalypse24: EMA - Past Life Martyred Saints25: The Stepkids - The Stepkids26: Drive-By Truckers - Go-Go Boots27: Arbouretum - The Gathering28: Lykke Li - Wounded Rhymes29: Wilco - The Whole Love30: Girls - Father, Son, Holy Ghost31: Nick Lowe - That Old Magic32: Bjork - Biophilia33: Glenn Jones - The Wanting34: Gillian Welch - The Harrow & The Harvest35: Tinariwen - Tassili36: Shabazz Palaces - Black Up37: Duane Eddy - Road Trip38: The Sand Bag - All Through The Night39: Arctic Monkeys - Suck It And See40: Charles Bradley - No Time For Dreaming41: Destroyer - Kaputt42: Booker T. Jones - The Road From Memphis43: Gwilym Simcock - Good Days At Scholss Elmau44: Glen Campbell - Ghost On The Canvas45: Tuneyards - Whokill46: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds47: Radiohead: The King Of Limbs48: Wire - Red Barked Tree49: Frank Ocean - Nostalgia, Ultra50: Joe Henry - Revere
― domish gassambino (pomplamau5), Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
people are really rating that Bjork album solely because it's Bjork IMO
― OH NOES, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
i guess i'm the only one obsessed with the new Atlas Sound! :-/
― Z S, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
eh, trying being obsessed with the new Lamb
― OH NOES, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
bjork is top 20 in the guardian list
50-11 are here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/dec/01/best-albums-2011
― domish gassambino (pomplamau5), Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
I'll definitely top-10 the Lamb in our poll.
At least Idolator (and only Idolator) recognized the new Oh Land, though most of their list is well marketed money-pop.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
I do not see at all what ppl are getting from GSH/Jamie XX; everything about that album just screams mediocrity to me
― OH NOES, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
GSH/Jamie XX votes are post-mortem tribute, methinks.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
lex will be disappointed he didn't manage to bump drake into the top 10 of that guardian poll
― pandemic, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
i'm thrilled that the pistol annies album got enough votes from people-other-than-me to make the top 50
― lex pretend, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
i agree with OH NOES about björk and gil scott-xx