all hip hop albums ever to thread
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link
xxp
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link
please talk about the momentous new ciara album instead.
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link
My point was more about the disconnect between the hype and the music ... if you've made your mark by selling death-obsessed records, then fine. But if everyone remembers you as the geeky dude who was riding in a shopping cart in that kooky mid-90's video, death is a hard sell.
― No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
xp
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Perhaps I'll go on the Ciara thread and make snarky posts about current trends in improvised music and see how you like it.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sandbox Scourage (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link
how does it work in any conceivably rational manner?
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link
the reason i said that is that within about two posts the paris angle had been killed and everyone was talking about morrissey again FFS, the reason for this being that nobody could add anything to the paris=jarvis comparison. there's absolutely nothing to add!
oh, and 'we love life' was ace. paris hilton has never done nor could ever do anything that could bring me such joy as that album.
(ahem)
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link
yes.
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link
perhaps Hilton has missed a trick by not covering 'Common People' ala Shatner.
― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link
for the first time in 5 years i should add
― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link
listen to it enough and it suddenly becomes their best album. it helps if the half you heard had 'sunrise' in it.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link
omg i hate shatner but i can imagine paris doing a 'stars are blind'-esque cheapo reggae cover of 'common people' which would be amazing and let's face it she is the ideal person to sing that song. well, ANY song, but especially that song.
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link
how is this different to madonna/beyoncé/50 cent/babyshambles/xtina though?
also the ways in which paris & jarvis are celebrities is so different - jarvis is taken seriously in ways which paris will never be, even if she pwns him as an artist.
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― mister the guanoman (m the g), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link
I note that Jarvis still charted four places higher than Ys though!
haha i would never have guessed that joanna newsom was half that popular!!!
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link
I quite enjoy it when the record-buyers and the pop media (or broadsheet media trying to cover pop) are so fundamentally out of joint with one another? like how often Rachel Stevens would appear on totp/saturday morning kids' tv when those were dwindling: it was the only place she could really do promo, but her record sales didn't quite justify the presence she had. I think it's a manifestation of the same thing - this is how broadsheet media can connect to popular music, by dealing with people as Intellectual Survivor of Pop Life (jarvis) or Walking Symptom of Modern Culture (paris) -- but then it just isn't reflected by the pop markets, which don't follow those rules.
also, srsly, Just cos mans want to otm each other about how pulp are not the smiths (well done! no-one disagrees with you! have a cookie!) doesn't mean the original point doesn't stand.
xposts, obv
― cis boom bah (cis), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link
i also haven't noticed nearly as much press for jarvis' album as for paris'. neither in the context of this year have been that prominent anyway; joanna newsom and even My Chemical Romance have outstripped both in terms of publicity.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― mister the guanoman (m the g), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link
kind of why i listed them (as paul was talking about underperforming albums) - though cf american life for madge. also throw eminem in there too. i didn't think back to basics had underperformed though.
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link
of course jarvis is a caricature. as much as he fights against it he'll always be to 95% of britain that funny bloke with glasses who wiggled his bum at michael jackson!
― acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Jarvis on his own merits as a fantastic songwriter, Paris as a sort of reflexive 'Why do people pay any attention to this talentless waste of space? WHY??? Oh, whoops, we're paying her attention. Why are we paying attention to this...' vicious circle of doom. I can't make the leap!
oh, maybe he is a caricature to some (really, not as much as you say though!), but to us lot, who (hopefully) know our music, he'd be regarded as something rather more than that.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link
Back To Basics hasn't sold that well in the UK; there were already £4 copies going in MVE the week it went in at number one.
Thing about Rachel S is that her TV promos/interviews actually worked against the album because she came across as so blase and uninterested that the public shrugged their shoulders and wondered why they should bother. Which is a shame because Come And Get It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other album mentioned here thus far.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link
but doesn't this happen all the time? and is actually quite natural when you consider that a great deal of press coverage is pre-release; i don't think it was implausibly silly to think that paris and jarvis might sell quite a bit (same with rachel), and it wouldn't invalidate the coverage if it turned out that they didn't. it's like when people say "omg critics must feel so silly after jizzing over rachel's album which tanked" - well no, it's still a good album!
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link
They weren't event singles because they didn't engage the whole spectrum of consumers; only a certain section. Of course any act's new single will be an "event" to their fans, but that's not quite the same thing.
Examples of "event singles" would include Do They Know It's Christmas, Roll With It/Country House, Free As A Bird, Candle In The Wind '97 and Patience.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 08:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 08:34 (seventeen years ago) link
I suppose the next Kylie single, whatever that turns out to be, will also qualify.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 08:46 (seventeen years ago) link
welcome to the world of objective fact, bitches.
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link
Throw the words around a bit and the answer would be: any dick if it's attached to a camera.
― nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:44 (seventeen years ago) link
I ask you for the second time: why do you hang around threads which you don't like?
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link
OMM did a pretty miserable job of hyping Cocker in the last-but-one issue.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link