And I don't think any album with "I Spy" on it can be 100% commercially compromised but I think they navigated the sewage filled waters of Britpop reasonably well considering. His'N'Hers did mostly have stronger tunes tho'
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link
For what it's worth, inventiveness aside, I think Bernard Butler was a great guitarist and Graham Coxon has always just sounded like a classically-trained guitarist trying to sound like the people he likes... He lacked some sort of spark that made it sound different. Suede's b-sides up until when Bernard Butler left were the best records they made, in my opinion.
The problem to me, over Blur's 'curve balls' is that they're, as far as I can see, someone else's curve balls, just done again. The skill they have is in making that sound good, which a lot of great people do, but it's really not the same thing as say MBV/RDJ do, which is not to do it down in any way.
― KeefW (KeefW), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link
the thing with Pulp, is that to obtain my favourite songs of theirs, one must operate this simple procedure:
-collect every song they did over 5:30 in length
-get rid of 'Gloria' (and possibly 'FEELINGCALLEDLOVE' if there isn't enough room)
-add 'Dishes' and 'Lipgloss'
...and there you have what I'd honestly call the best of Pulp.
TH is that well-known mid-90's act Trip Hop, featuring Roberto Del Naja, Adrian Utley and Ronny Sighs.
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ok, well whose curveballs were 13's, then?
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― KeefW (KeefW), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― KeefW (KeefW), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― deep space nine (deep space nine), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link
I hadn't heard a lot of Wire, and some Stranglers (they're public domain via the radio) but I totally agree regarding Elastica, and everything you describe about Blur...
Where Radiohead do do escape this problem (which a lot of people accuse them of also, second hand ideas polished to a 'newness' by great/good production) is just the songwriting I guess. It communicates something, where Elastica, Blur, Suede are just a bit vacant emotionally really.
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link
Have you heard the album 'Blur', btw? If not, get hold of 'Essex Dogs'. It's utterly out-there, and by a whisker my favourite Blur song ahead of 13's '1992', 'Battle' and 'Caramel'.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link
Mind you, was that the one that M.O.R. on it?.. Which was pretty much exactly the same as David Bowie's "Boys Keep Swinging".
For all that, I can't think of anything that Yuko and Hiro was obviously ripped off of... That's a great tune, despite the album being pretty shite.
I'm afraid as far as Radiohead are concerned I can't follow! I think it's a bunch of whinging dull pish! Sorry.
― KeefW (KeefW), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― KeefW (KeefW), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link
Radiohead's main problem is that they have never truly succumbed to the twin temptations of NOIZE and EPIC, i.e. they have no 8-minute freakouts.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link
I'll pay attention to the Bugman tune should I chance upon it...
― KeefW (KeefW), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link
erm, i'm just saying that to hear the radiohead formula stretched out and loosened a bit would be interesting and I think great to listen to!
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link
http://papercutsrekindled.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_papercutsrekindled_archive.html
A bit down the page under: Keith’s University of Rock, part 2: How Punk is Suede’s Stay Together?
I like the second comment, where some random punter says "lay off the Ozrics you bastard".
― KeefW (KeefW), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:40 (seventeen years ago) link
I've already been thinking about it for 4 years. I've even got some song fragments worked out. It'll be a long time before I'm ready to unleash anything, though! I need to learn a instrument properly first. :-(
e@mail, fair enough, so am I! It's been a good barney regardless...who were you on teh old ILX, btw?
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― a giant mechanical ant (a giant mechanical ant), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― a giant mechanical ant (a giant mechanical ant), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zachary Scott (Zachary S), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link
bullshit! do it with effects/computerised bleeps.
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link
exit music would have been an amazing 8-minute song.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Smarting Scourage (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm listening to my neglected copy of Blur right now because of you and rather enjoying it, so it's all good.
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― KeefW (KeefW), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link
*puts Yuko And Hiro on*
oh, the power of suggestion
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Thus Spake Scourage (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link
-- electric sound of jim (esoj@), December 3rd, 2006.
qft
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― friday on the porch (lfam), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link
the Rev's first two albums are up in my top 20 of the decade, and a conglomerate best-of would have made top-3.
just think...
1) MOARK2) Chasing A Bee3) Syringe Mouth4) Downs Are Feminine Balloons5) Trickle Down6) Black And Blue7) Something For Joey8) Snorry Mouth9) Hi-Speed Boats10) Frittering11) one of the drunks/thunder interludes12) Very Sleepy Rivers
as i said, i'm buying chavez' entirety. looking forward immensely to it.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― deep space nine (deep space nine), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link
death of a party and how soon is now share a bit where the guitar plays a high note and then slides down about a semitone, but that aside i can't see the similarity.
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link