Macon, Georgia, mayor converts to Islam

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some dumb bitch from macon just called here & wouldnt stop whining about this

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/02/macon.mayor.ap/index.html

and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

They called a puppetry museum?

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Hakim Mansour Ellis

hmm, not bad. I like it.

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

cool.

Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

sweet

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Kinda overestimating the popularity of Islam among 17th- and 18th-century west-African coastal peeps, though.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i love the fact that cnn feels that a story comprised of ten sentences needs a "story highlights" box!

edb (edb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

she was calling to book a field trip, and when i made a joke about how not all of macon is actually in macon county, she started complaining about her mayor and what an 'awful piece of work' he is

and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

  • If anybody wants to know about Islam, he can hold an intelligent conversation.
  • PPlains (PPlains), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

    I've heard he's very articulate on the subject.

    nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

    hee. "Well-spoken black man converts to Islam"

    horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

    white folks bitching about their black mayors is like a national pasttime down south

    and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

    So this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this guy's reasoning -- "it just feels right" is the ultimate unimpeachable reason for a religious conversion, so good for him -- but there's some stickler part of me that gets a little weird about how conversion to Islam has so often been pitched as some kind of return to African heritage. So far as I know history, at the time of the slave trade Islam's power was mostly along Saharan trade routes, not so much on the sub-Sarahan coasts where slaves were coming from; and of course when you look at the belief systems slaves contributed to this hemisphere (like in the Indies), it's more animist-style stuff. The extension of Islam through west Africa is just as much "imported" as Christianity -- just accomplished by more pleasant local conversion than by colonialism or slavery.

    Not that there's anything really bad about that disconnect, and not that there's anything less heritage-finding about connecting with what your African counterparts are doing now, but something about it makes me vaguely skeptical. (I mean, it kinda steps on the old-model beliefs, really, because modern people want a monotheistic religion -- nobody wants to say "let's return to our animist roots.")

    nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

    you left out the fact that Islam was totally cool with slavery up until the mid-20th century

    Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

    Well and it hasn't always had the best of relationships with sub-Saharan Africans, either!

    But whatever -- I had to type all that to realize it's just a nit that I pick at, and I don't particularly mind the results either way: you know, whatever complex reasons people have for being attracted to a religion are their complex reasons, and I'm happy for whatever people decide and all.

    nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

    not that there's anything less heritage-finding about connecting with what your African counterparts are doing now

    I think this is probably a huge part of the "returning to heritage" rhetoric associated with Islam for (some) African American converts, i.e. it's more about attempting a connection with Africa now than about history. I think African American conversions to Islam started happening at the same time as Third World politics gained currency, so the whole utopic idea that black people around the world could and should forge a shared identity politics. The cultural politics of that obviously happened in a lot of different ways, not always religious, but for people who were interested in religion, I think there was a way that Islam could function, because it already had a foothold in parts of Africa and very much did not have a foothold in the European West, as a kind of "third way." (the other obvious example being rastafarianism, I guess.) and even though that political moment has (maybe mostly) passed, Islam maybe still retains some of those associations. obviously that's just to address one dimension of the African American Muslim experience and it's not particularly relevant to many people's experience (children and grandchildren of converts, for example.)

    horseshoe (horseshoe), Friday, 16 February 2007 06:53 (seventeen years ago) link

    heh. I qualified that post so much because I'm not at all sure I know what I'm talking about.

    horseshoe (horseshoe), Friday, 16 February 2007 06:54 (seventeen years ago) link

    white folks bitching about their black mayors is like a national pasttime down south

    haha you should've been in philly during the 80s, or NYC during the early 90s.

    Eisbär (Eisbär), Friday, 16 February 2007 10:14 (seventeen years ago) link

    chicago during the 80s, etc

    deej (deej), Friday, 16 February 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

    to be fair, though, wilson goode & david dinkins weren't very good mayors of their respective towns.

    Eisbär (Eisbär), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

    harold washington was pretty great

    deej (deej), Friday, 16 February 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link


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