Pick only one: Austin, Philadelphia, Seattle

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ILXies it is my opinion as a mostly-lurker that you need to stop arguing about each other and get back to arguing over which city is in which tier; I hope this thread helps light the way.

Basically I have lived in Chicago for 22 years minus semesters at college and while it suits me pretty much perfectly I feel like I need to get around a little. I have had these three places stuck in my head for about as long as I have been thinking about where to move after graduation but while I will have friends around all these areas they were probably just my top three on that one quiz from the real estate website, so any other suggestions are welcome.

Things to consider: I don't know how to drive, I will probably be making lousy money, I like Mexican food, I like to go out and do all the things every other schmo on ILX (18-25 division) does, this will probably only be for a year or two, that's about it. Thanks in advance for your thoughtful replies.

A B C (sparklecock), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Austin, if you can take the heat

(or Portland)

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

You can't live in the south and not drive, so that's out. :(

Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I say ATX but then I'm biased, loving it here.

Austin would meet all your needs except for the driving. I currently don't have a car so bus to work but 1. I work centrally and 2. I have access to my boyfriend's car for times of need.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

very few cities can you really get around in without a car.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

seattle and philly both have rail of some sort or other. so it's something.

Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know about seattle but I also think Philly is more walkable than TX.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

dare I hope that Austin is at all........bikeable???

A B C (sparklecock), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Ben from Snakepit keeps portraying it as such

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

in my experience, austin is packed with bicycles, but it's not an especially safe place to bike, apart from the UT campus and surrounding areas.

Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Austin's very bikeable (thanks Lance!) but yes, traffic is horrible and *I* wouldn't ride a bike on these streets.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh bummer. Pls excuse my complete ignorance on this front, I've never been on a trip south of DC that did not involve having Daisy Duck sign my autograph book

A B C (sparklecock), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Philly has seemed pretty manageable every time I've been there though, I didn't even know they had a train

A B C (sparklecock), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

so have you visited any of these places you're considering moving? that might be important. . .

I'm chicken about bikes but if you aren't and could find a place to live fairly close to the action here, you'd probably be good.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Philly is a very walkable city.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, yeah I've been to Philly and Seattle, I just have a couple of Austin boosting friends. Although honestly I'm starting to forget why Seattle seemed like such a top choice outside of knowing people who live there and liking rainy weather, maybe I'd just seen a particularly delicious Frasier rerun

A B C (sparklecock), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

If you can't drive, you'd probably have to live somewhere near Austin's central campus/downtown core. Which is tougher to do on lousy money.

Stephen Ex (Stephen Ex), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Ditto, Philly's extremely walkable, and the public transportation system is pretty good for the most part. There are some things about Philly that are frustrating, but there's nothing "missing", if that makes sense -- whatever you're into, you can find it happening somewhere.

Phillyblog (www.phillyblog.com) is a good resource for figuring out where to live, among other things. I'd suggest somewhere in South Philly, east of Broad and south of South St. Fairmount might work too, or Powelton Village.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Seattle rivals SF as far as hills go. lots green bike type brave it anyway, or at least they did in the 80s. Might have been replaced with amoral millionaires in the 90s though.

sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know how to drive, I will probably be making lousy money

I was going to steer you away from Philadelphia, but it would definitely work with these two considerations. I've lived in Philadelphia without a car since 1989, and while not having a car certainly creates some limitations, it's a pretty easy city to get around in via public transportation and walking. Mostly I depend on walking and taking cabs. Some neighborhoods might be islands surrounded by places you wouldn't want to walk though, so its walkability will depend on where you live specifically. I mean, if you are in center city, parts of West Philadelphia/University city, Spring Garden/Fairmount/the Art Museum area, and maybe South Philly, there would be a pretty good sense of being able to get from where you are to any of the places I've just listed. (For example, I used to routinely walk home to 16th & Green, in Spring Garden/Art Museum area from, say, Drexel University, out around 30somethingth and Chestnut.)

On the other hand, I don't know Austin or Seattle, so what good is that? Mexican food: I don't think there's all that much of what people who know about Mexican food would consider good Mexican food, in Philadelphia. Lots of good restaurants though, covering a wide range of ethnic cuisine.

RSLaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Austin's got you covered on Mex food and things for young people to do. What's your idea of lousy money? Austin's definitely gotten more expensive in the past ten years but I'm not really sure how our idea of expensive compares to the other two cities.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Looking at Craigslist I am pretty sure I could swing the rent in any of these places, I have just been hearing a lot of WHY U NO MOVE 2 NYC WITH US from people I know and thinking about money in those terms I guess. I kind of wanted to avoid it to be contrarian but I have to admit it would be pretty convenient living on the east coast if it's doable...but ANYWAY thanks again for the advice, dudez.

A B C (sparklecock), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread needs more Neal Pollack.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

If you're planning to live there long term, it wouldn't be hard to learn to drive in Austin. Lots of older, relatively cheap vehicles for city transportation since we don't have any kind of rust or winter salt or anything.

milo (milo), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i think seattle has a lot to recommend it, it seems relaxed and friendly, easy to navigate. it seems weirdly a 90s city in that people dont seem to talk about it so much these days

austin seems good too, maybe a little less user friendly, esp as non-driver

i also like philadelphia, but its not a city that would be top of my list for the east coast

Subtractive Synthesis (Subtractive Synthesis), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

If cost is not an issue, I don't see why you'd pick Austin over the other two, but then again I would have no particular interest in the indie-ish scene that I imagine dominates there (among young people) to a slightly greater degree than in the other places.

Among the other two, Philly is the bigger, more comprehensive and more walkable city, all of which favor it imo. It also allows you relatively easy access by train to NY, DC and Baltimore, not to mention further North and South along the East Coast (but impresses me as a good east coast city to choose if you're from elsewhere, even if it's in some sense more insular than other east coast cities). However, I still think that Seattle, no slouch of a city, is worth serious consideration for its particular character, if you find it appealing, and especially if you're outdoors-oriented. Would its climate be marginally milder in summer/winter than Philly's?

Given that you've chosen (well?) one city each in three different regions, is that perhaps the ultimate choice you're trying to make?

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Be advised that although Austin is a very pleasant place for youngish people who like to go see bands, serious adrenaline junkies need not apply.

Stephen Ex (Stephen Ex), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not sure what you mean by adrenaline junkie but this is a nice outdoorsy place. summers can be a bit intense but winters are very mild, lots of water nearby, beautiful hill country, green, etc.

i'm not really into bands anymore but there's all kinds of artsy stuff here and in general much more sophisticated and enlightened type culture abounds than the rest of our state.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Not to mention spring-fed swimming holes in the middle of town, plenty of yard art, a massive special-collections library, and Leslie!

I lived there v. happily, but people who're looking for that Tokyo-rush-hour urban buzz would go crazy in a hurry.

Stephen Ex (Stephen Ex), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

yes that buzz is why I left to NYC to return to Austin.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

philly wins this on spookiness alone

tho i am v tempted by texas bbq

jhoshea (jhoshea), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

spring-fed swimming holes in the middle of town, plenty of yard art, a massive special-collections library...

I parsed this as "spring-fed librarians in the middle of town."

Yes please.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver (hoosteen), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

They're grass-fed, actually.

Stephen Ex (Stephen Ex), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Philly is very bikeable bc it's flat. The only disadvantage, I've come to notice, is that the cheap areas are all far from each other - like all my friends either live all the way the fuck north, all the way the fuck west, or all the way the fuck south, making it hard to get from one person's area to another. Still, a minor problem and I love the city.

Shadowcat (A-Ron Hubbard), Thursday, 15 February 2007 05:07 (seventeen years ago) link


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