Six Nations 2007

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Fuck's sake. What happened yesterday?! We woz robbed!

That said we were not the better team, the French team for the first half were just killing us. I'm amazed that the score wasn't even higher tbh.

The England match was fairly shocking. They seemed unable to get involved or be pushed and Italy were really gunning it. I gave up on Scotland v. Wales, it looked like it was going to be a real grind of a match).

So no grand slam for us and O'Gara still allowed to live unfortunately. Who else was watching?

kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Garrison games.

An Gael (The Real Dirty Vicar), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

You were happy enough to take our blood money.

kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link

You = people complaining about IRFU and FAI using Croker, not DV in this case.

kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link

The French team was really good in the first half yeah, but in the second the Irish were clearly the better side. I'm all for France winning, but I got to admit that they were a bit lucky. I sure hope the grand slam is a-coming!
Were the English that bad? I didn't see the game, only heard people say that Italy deserved to win, which kinda surprises me. If that's true, that's twice in two games that Italy almost upset England. They sure will need to improve their game if they want to beat Ireland (it is their next match isn't it?).

jibe (jibe), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

It is their next match. Italy were just so much stronger. They kept attacking and running down the ball. I just feel that on the day the English wanted it more.

The Irish could be a great team but the mistakes we were making... The French are terrible at Line outs but instead of taking advantage of that we were making unforced errors.

kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i think england, france and ireland are all battling it out to see who is the most rubbish so when it comes to the world cup they don't get mortally humiliated by the all blacks in the final...

CarsmileSteve (Carsmile Steve), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Then again the all blacks always seem to peak too early. They are clearly the best side in the world right now, but come september?

jibe (jibe), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

But it's true that I'd rather bet on them in the World Cup than France, England or Ireland

jibe (jibe), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Italy deserved to win

Oh, they didn't, they just don't have the backs, but they certainly showed more enthusiasm, were stronger in the pack, and will be far more pleased than England with the result.

You never know, we could actually snaffle a win this year.

It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I almost wrote that there was no such thing as "deserved to win" in my post up there, but that's what I was told about their match. Italy will probably win one game this year, against Wales I guess. They have been improving a lot ... and who knows, in ten years time maybe they'll win the Six Nations :-D

jibe (jibe), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

They have been improving a lot

The thing is, how many times in the last decade have we heard this? And yet they still can't (regularly) beat countries like Scotland and Wales, they still get the wooden spoon, and they still have games like the one against France. Maybe at some point, a wonderful fly half and couple of superlative wingers will appear at just the right time, combine with a brilliant coach.... but it ain't likely I don't think.

It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

England could get the win but they've not actually played against a contender yet. We'll see how they come out of the Ireland match.

No one deserves to win really, Ireland should of course but that's another matter!

Wales have had a rather staggering downwards trajectory performance wise over the past year. Was there a major change that I missed? Someone injured?

I'd argue that Italy have now got the potential to win this if they get a bit more weight. They definitely have one of the best coaches!

kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Was Scotland v Wales as bad as it sounded, someone? I was busy elsewhere at the time, and it doesn't sound like I missed much.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think it was that bad, but then I do like to see a lot of last ditch defence (how scotland didn't score significantly more I'll never know). More entertaining than England / Italy, certainly.

Matt (Matt), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

(how scotland didn't score significantly more I'll never know)

See also: France.

kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The thing is, how many times in the last decade have we heard this?

Well I know I haven't heard that a lot in the past decade. They were pretty much considered a joke or an easy win, but maybe I wasn't listening in the right places.

No one deserves to win really, Ireland France should of course but that's another matter! Fixed :D

Mmmh, i hope my tags work, this is a first for me :D

jibe (jibe), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Unfortunately they did. You're cheek has been noted!

kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah FFS your cheek!!!!

kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

**Wales have had a rather staggering downwards trajectory performance wise over the past year. Was there a major change that I missed? Someone injured?**

1. 2005 Grand Slam winning coach Mike Ruddock resigned half way through the last 6 nations. He was replaced (eventually) by the utter fuckwit that is Gareth Jenkins.

2. Jenkins has the tactical nous and coaching ability of a small plastic soap dish. He's managed to turn a hard-scrummaging yet mobile pack into a bunch of whey-faced fops. The Scots have got a barely international class front-row, yet at the first scrum of the game tight-head Adam Jones got lifted, the whole thing went backwards and we got pushed off our own ball. Criminal.

3. He hates Gavin Henson and won't pick him. Henson is probably the most talented player Wales has had in a decade. He can do stuff that other players can't, that we really need. e.g. time a pass, pass out of the tackle, kick long and accurately for position. But fuckwit Jenkins can't see past that fact that Gavin wears silver boots, has spiky hair, is shagging a celeb and isn't a coalminer.

4. Shane Williams is injured, so we have insanely decided to play Chris Cjekaj instead of a seasoned, tough tackler like Dai James. CC has been so far out of his depth in the first 2 games that it's been painful to watch. He had to go to fullback vs the Scots when Morgan went off injured - we had no adequate cover on the bench because GJ won't even give Henson a place in the 22.

5. GJ selects donkeys like Sidoli and Stephen Jones, when they are useless and way out of form respectively.

6. Never underestimate the Welsh capacity for infighting and self-destruction.

We can still recover and win a couple, but only if we :

a) switch James Hook to 10
b) bring in Cockbain at lock. We need a really nasty bastard in there.
c) get Shane Williams fit or pick Luscombe or James on if not. Drop CC.
d) Try a different hooker. The line-out problems appear to be down to TRT. Don't replace him with M.Rees, bring back Mefin Davies (hard, experienced) or go for someone with a bit of dog like Aled Gravelle.
e) Get a fucking game plan together.


Dr.C (Dr.C), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

we have insanely decided to play Chris Cjekaj instead of a seasoned, tough tackler like Dai James. CC has been so far out of his depth in the first 2 games that it's been painful to watch

Painful to pronounce too...

Tom D. (Dada), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Sunday was horrible.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry Irish contingent, but it cheered me up after Saturday! I have to say that Ireland have surprised me a bit - the front-row has improved no end this season. But the backs still run sideways too often - they didn't make France commit to the tackle enough. The winning France try just shows what's possible when you straighten up and go for the gap.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I used to like you up until that point. Ronan OTM.

Nah, thanks for the info about Wales. I didn't realise that Henson was so valuable. I too am unfortunately quite like the coach as in I can't see past that fact that Gavin wears silver boots, has spiky hair, is shagging a celeb and isn't a coalminer. Well it's the spiky haird really and his weird orange-ness!

What are the odds of any of the changes being made do you think?

kv_nol (kv_nol), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Some changes will be made, but not the right ones.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

You need the granny rule! That's how we got Boss who is shaping up to be a fantastic number 9!

kv_nol (kv_nol), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Boss is good, yes. I thought he tried a bit too hard on Sunday - should have stopped and thought at a penalty near the end (after Horan's run IIRC), but he's streets ahead of Stringer.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel bad slating Stringer as he put in so many good years but he's just not great anymore.

Boss forced a couple of things stupidly but I'm really hoping a bit of experience (or being shouted at for the next while) will sort him out :)

kv_nol (kv_nol), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

It seems as good a place as any to announce that I have retired from all rugby, including internationals, with immediate effect. Much as the Welsh R.U. would be tempted to play a 44 yr-old number 8 in the rest of the 6 nations, I shall be writing them to tell them of my unavailability. I expect a place in the BBC Studio as a summariser to be offered as a matter of course. Highlights of a glittering 30-year career include being the only member of my team to enter the opposition half in a 0-78 loss (1987), passing to the referee when clear and 5 yards out from the line (c.1995) and being knocked out by ex-British Lion M1ckey Sk1nner (2006). The rugby world salutes a legend.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Truly Rugby has lost one of it's brightest stars :(

I expect after the next international that Grandstand will have a five minute highlights reel for you to "The Scientist" by Coldplay.

kv_nol (kv_nol), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Now Kevin Morgan is out of the France game. This is a huge distaster as he is one of the few backs with real pace and the ability to run angles. Jenkins SHOULD pick Henson, but will pick the pedestrian Lee Byrne instead, I should think.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

You can't get the wooden spoon at least!

kv_nol (kv_nol), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link


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