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CRAZY TALK! I could shit a better movie than Moulin Rouge. but yeah, I was picturing Moulin Rouge as the point of comparison when considering whether or not Dreamgirls was cut frenetically.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's the only generally good movie musical of the '00s.

I admit I haven't seen Not on the Lips, yet.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

When did Hedwig come out?

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

IM A DRAMGIRL

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

ew Hedwig was terrible.

best 90s musical = Velvet Goldmine!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

the best musical of the '90s was 'south park: bigger, longer, and uncut'

― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I was gonna say!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Ugh. goddamnit gear, the "ugh" is not for you :(

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"Though you die, LA RESISTANCE LIVES ONNNNNNNNN..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe I actually sat through Velvet Goldmine. I was trying to keep mum on this thread but that, sir, was a step too far.

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

hmmm yeah, the South Park musical is probably the best thing Stone/Parker have ever done

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost!

Ally doesnt agree with me shockah

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Frenetic isn't the word for Moulin Rouge!'s cutting; pathological perhaps.

Velvet Goldmine's big advantage was that (non-Bowie) glam music wasn't that good to begin with, so the pastiches met the standard.

How does Eddie Murphy's perf score as an audition for Spike Lee's announced James Brown film? He's too old to play him in his 20s but that may not stop it.

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i loved both Hedwig and the SP movie. I spoiled the latter by getting the soundtrack at the college radio station earlier in the week, and listening to it over and over and playing half of it on my show right before the premiere.

I remember sitting in the theater thinking, "wait, you guys need to not laugh so loud during the songs, you're missing half the jokes!"

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

(x-post) Pretty good, actually.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Moulin Rouge is basically an unwatchable movie for many, many reasons, the pathological cutting being only one of them.

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm still a little bitter that my sister didn't let me walk out of Moulin Rouge.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha when someone put on the DVD of it, I figured I'd give it another go. The DVD punked out during the death scene and I was never happier to see a DVD punk out.

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Moulin Rouge is basically an unwatchable movie for many, many reasons

I could not agree more.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

C'mon, it's not literally unwatchable because you really can't anticipate what will come flying into the kitchen sink next. (Besides someone else who can't sing.)

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Moulin Rouge is not boring. Chicago and Dreamgirls, for the most part, are.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, getting your eyes gouged out isn't boring either, presumably.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd like to see a musical of 'hostel', speaking of that.

― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, stimulation isn't everything, so Everyone Says I Love You tops MR!

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd like to see a musical of 'hostel', speaking of that.

I agree.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

stimulation isn't everything

Shouldn't musicals be expected to be somewhat sensualist, tho?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I suppose, but echo eye-gouging comment.

did you like the songs in Phantom of the Paradise, btw?

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The first one to say Grease gets his eyes gouged.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

What are you saving for Grease 2?

I just got an email ad for the Evil Dead off-B'way musical which leads with a granny testifying how delightful it was to get spattered with stage blood.

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

did you like the songs in Phantom of the Paradise, btw?

Yes.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe I actually sat through Velvet Goldmine. I was trying to keep mum on this thread but that, sir, was a step too far.

I thought it was for slash fiction fanatics only.

― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

haha I liked pretty much everything in Phantom of the Paradise BUT the songs

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

(which is weird considering Paul Williams' otherwise decent songwriting track record)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it was for slash fiction fanatics only.

Frightening thought.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, none of those androgyne stars did any actual manfucking.

"Movie musicals" really don't have anything but a noveltylike place in the culture anymore, whereas they (and Broadway) used to be the dominant source of pop music. So you get neither fish-nor-fowl contraptions like the recent wave of music-video approaches to '70s/'80s material, trying to be hip and retro.

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe so, but back when they had a more stable place in the culture, a lot of shitty movie musicals were made. I think there's still potential for good movie musicals.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

well, anytime a lot of anything is made a lot is shit.

did the Outkast film make any impression here? was it the only big-budget original-to-the-screen musical this year?

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry to repeat myself, but http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/26/171826.jpg

― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

is Mo' Better Blues really a musical in any conventional sense...? (I honestly don't remember, haven't seen it since it came out).

I don't think anyone saw the Outkast movie, including me.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

is Velvet Goldmine? we don't make musicals in the conventional sense anymore except as sort of postmodern period pieces. it's suffused with jazz, has some singing/scatting/quasi-rapping, and borrows a lot of the formal tropes of musicals.

― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ebert said, "not a great film, but ... an interesting one, which is almost as rare."

― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:25 (seventeen years ago) link

well Velvet Goldmine is a musical in the sense that there are extended musical sequences wherein the main characters sing - I don't remember anything like that really happening in MBB.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

well, at this point, i'm willing to call any movie that makes heavy use of music in the fore or middle-ground a musical of sorts. it's not meet me in st louis, but no one makes meet me in st louis anymore. does MBB involve dialogue spontaneously turning into song? no. but it does have at least three musical numbers involving the leads, one of which is sung, and one of which is quasi-rapped.

― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

"not a great film, but ... an interesting one, which is almost as rare."

The same can be said for many Ebert reviews. I'll miss him almost as much as I miss the late Spielberg.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think anyone saw the Outkast movie, including me.

I did. I liked it although it felt more like one long video than a movie.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I second the notion to eye-gouge anyone related to the movie musical Grease.

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I don't think either Velvet Goldmine or Mo' Better Blues should be classed as musicals--I mean, you are now treading the line in which anything that depicts a character singing is a musical, which would make Fire Walk With Me a musical if you really want to be technical. It seems to be an abuse of the term. Is Labrynth a musical? David Bowie sings that UTTERLY RIDICULOUS SONG WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT in it!

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

You remind me of the babe...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

does Fire Walk With Me have several musical numbers and nearly continuous music in the fore or middle ground? if so, I'm willing to deem it a musical.

― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

(somehow I doubt it has the structure of a musical, but maybe I shouldn't be surprised if it does?)

― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

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