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teach me. i'm fed up with my camera and want a GR34T camera. should i buy one? if so, which one?

i'm going to japan, so i figure i might find something CHEAP(er) there?

nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 1 January 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry for incoherent post, browser slow. :-(

nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 1 January 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

You won't find anything cheaper in Japan. You can expect a 20% mark-up.

Get the entry level Nikon or Canon body, but only buy the kit lens if it's decent. Nikon used to have a nice kit lens with the D70, but I don't know anymore.

If you want browse in Japan, go to Yodobashi Camera in Shinjuku. Then come back (assuming you're in the US) and buy it from B&H.

debito (debito), Monday, 1 January 2007 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a Nikon D50 but the kit lens is awful, I bought a Sigma 18-200mm DC series lens which is a wonderful piece of kit.

Belgian sales tax may make it marginally cheaper in japan. I bought mine in Singapore (lens in Hong Kong) and the saving was a little more than the UK's 17.5% VAT.

Ed (dali), Monday, 1 January 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Nikon D80 (step up from the D50, fantastic viewfinder for a dSLR) - pretty decent kit lens(es) from what I hear.
Get a Sigma 30mm/1.4 as well if you can swing it (faster lens = more reasonable shutter speeds in low-light or when children are moving). USD total is ~$1500 for a D80, kit zoom + Sigma 30mm.

milo (milo), Monday, 1 January 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Sigma 30mm is so my next piece of kit (maybe a flash too).

Ed (dali), Monday, 1 January 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

how's that canon rebel camera?

belgium have high taxes + parents live in japan and haven't bought me a present yet = very eager to get one in japan. :-)

nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 1 January 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I always choose Nikon over Canon.

Ed (dali), Monday, 1 January 2007 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Canon rebel is a nice camera. Also -- Photogs at work are *raving* about images from their new Canons after years with Nikons.

stet (stet), Monday, 1 January 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

why? (both to ed and stet)

nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 1 January 2007 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Irrational brand loyalty borne out of vendor lock in with lenses and backs.

Ed (dali), Monday, 1 January 2007 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Irrational brand loyalty borne out of vendor lock in with lenses and backs on my part, unbridled joy at low-light performance for the photogs.

stet (stet), Monday, 1 January 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I use that Sigma 30mm/1.4 to take 90% of my photos on my D70. A great lens.

At least when I was last in the market for a camera body (which was 2 yrs ago now) the consensus seemed to be that Nikon and Canon both made fine cameras with lots of lenses to choose from. I just picked up the low end models from both companies, and I liked how Nikon felt. It seems increasingly hard to buy a bad DSLR these days.

(btw, Debito, are you 有道出人?)

Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 1 January 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Pam got me a two-year-old Canon EOS 300D off eBay for Xmas (aka Rebel); the previous owner had clearly taken good care of it (image counter was only up to 3000-odd; we've taken 9000+ with the Ixus i in a similar amount of time...maybe he/she didn't have any kids ;)) and had also carried out the firmware hack which virtually turns it into a 10D in a cheap case - all the custom functions, mirror lock, ISO 3200, etc.

So far, so good - still getting used to it. Came with the (widely-derided) EF-S 18-55mm kit lens, which seems OK to me. Only criticisms so far: this lens really manage macro, at least not as easily as the Ixus; pentamirror rather than pentaprism, so viewfinder's a little dark; LCD screen about as big as they came in 2003, but not big by today's standards.

Fast startup, fast AF, fast everything. There's a default parameter set which jazzes JPGs up a little (contrast, sharpness, saturation), which is very moreish, but can be turned off/customised.

This is a shot of Ava in quite a dark cafe; manual focus, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/15th sec. Not brilliant, but the sort of shot I couldn't possibly get with the Ixus i:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/335516259_cbf3a55ef2_m.jpg

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 1 January 2007 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

this lens can't really manage macro

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 1 January 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Price-point for price-point on the low end of the scale, I like Nikon better. The D80 and D200 viewfinders are vastly superior to the Canon price-equivalents. Everything else is pretty equal, some people think that Nikon images are more film-like, where Canon is "plasticky." That's mostly a function of noise - Nikon has a little more visible noise. I don't think that's bad, really, and if you convert to monochrome (as I do 75% of the time) it looks very nice. Canon looks fine to me as well.

Canon's lens lineup is preferable, IMO. More image-stabilized lenses, more fast primes for low $$$, and their USM system (quiet, fast autofocus) is wonderful.

The best of all worlds are the full-frame Canon dSLRs (5d, 1d something). Access to the lens line I prefer, usable images past ISO 3200, but expensive and the 5d has issues with collecting dust on the sensor and viewfinder.

milo (milo), Monday, 1 January 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

(btw, Debito, are you 有道出人?)

Haha. God no. I have mixed feelings about that guy, and I am def not him.

debito (debito), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I've used a Canon EOS 350D since April 2004 and it has served me extremely well. See my Flickr photostream for examples.

The new EOS 400D is good value and produces great images. I'd get one if I were to buy a DSLR today.

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

You can now search and browse photos by camera on flickr which may be of some use:

http://www.flickr.com/cameras/

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 07:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a Nikon D200, and I like it a lot.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I got Colette a Pentax K110D for Christmas:

http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--K110D/reqID--7717497/subsection--digital_slr

It seems realy good so far - when I was looking, it came down to that, the Canon rebel, the D50 or the new D40. However new D40 is crap for upgrading the lense.

I bought it in the US at something like a 40% saving - I can almost imagine that with the dollar where it is right now it could be worth flying over just to buy something like this.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought a cheap Cannon camera in Singapore.

(Do you see what I did, there?)

M Grout (Mark Grout), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Nat, Mister Monkey bought my camera from www.pixmania.com and it ended up shipping from France. He bought a body-only Canon, and I think paid half of what we would have paid had we bought it here (but then, Ireland might as well be New Zealand when it comes to buying consumer goods, everything's expensive).

I had a sigma lens on my old 35mm Canon which hasn't transferred to the digital--it just won't work--but I keep not getting around to sending it for reprogramming.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 09:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Watch out for warranty though. If it's only valid in Asia or the Americas, you'll have to send it back there to get it repaired (if and when, of course, but with highly technological stuff like this, you never know). Sometimes you have to pay extra for worldwide warranty, sometimes it's included already, in short: check in advance.

I drove a Belgian friend of mine to Germany last year to go shop for a Canon 350D (after weeks of online comparisons on sites like http://www.dpreview.com/ ). Why? Taxes are only 6% in Germany (Belgium: 21%) AND the warranty was valid in the whole of Europe.

As for Canon/Nikon: far as I know, it's like the Mac/PC thing: it doesn't actually matter what you use, but most people are either a fan of one or the other.

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 10:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm. Good point. I never checked that. Well, better hope nothing happens to it. Actually, if anything does happen to it, I'll just claim off my house insurance.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, I did wonder aloud the other day whether the Canon/Nikon split was a bit like a PC/Mac thing. I think Pam considered secondhand Nikons but went for the 300D simply because the menu interface is so familiar from the Ixus series - less of a learning curve (she didn't really want me to spend Xmas Day with my head in a manual, she wanted me taking pix of the kids wearing wrapping paper on their heads). We also have a 1971-vintage Canon FTb and a late-'90s Canon Ixus L1 APS, so there must be some creeping brand loyalty thing going on.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, where's a good place online to get lenses for DSLRs?

I've been trying to get hold of a filter for my D50, but the company I've tried keep on sending me the wrong sizes. I gave up after three attempts..

jellybean (jellybean), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I've had no problems buying filters on eBay.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

As for Canon/Nikon: far as I know, it's like the Mac/PC thing: it doesn't actually matter what you use, but most people are either a fan of one or the other.

Yes, BUT... (and this doesn't rly apply in this case, but it's goood to know)

...Nikon works the smaller (23.6 x 15.8mm) sensor size whereas canon has full-frame (36.0 x 24.0mm) sensors @ the higher-cost models. Nikon has NO plans to go to full-framefor whatever reason. So if you were considering the ULTIMATE UPGRADE then you'd have to go canon. I think nikon makes vg entry-level cameras.

The RealJTMod (Real JT Mod of Team Courage), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, where's a good place online to get lenses for DSLRs?
Where are you at?

In the US, B&H Photo is a popular camera-only store (www.bhphoto.com), but Amazon generally has prices that are just as good on lenses from Canon and Nikon as well as free shipping.

milo (milo), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link


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