What is david icke's "evidence" in actual fact?

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One of the things I saw on TV when I was away over Xmas was a rather uncritical fly-on-the-wall about david icke. His worldview seemed to be the usual bunch of modern-day con-theorist totem - 9/11 an inside job, every disastrous event ever was actually orchestrated by the global elite etc etc with in icke's case the USP being his claim that the illuminatus global elite is actually inbred by reptilian aliens. Feh.

Several of icke's devotees were interviewed, w/a seemingly common assertion being that it all makes sense "when you see his evidence" What is icke's "evidence" then? Also, what actual action does icke propose to take to rectify this alarming situation, because they didn't show that bit from his 7 1/2 hr (or whatever) lecture either?

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 28 December 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I watched that as well with the wife, had to try and explain who David Icke was, which I wasn't too sure of myself really. I remember when he originally came out with all the batshit lizard stuff I was at school and didn't know who he was. I know he was on telly but what did he do?

It was pretty funny though, cos my wife was agreeing with a lot of the things he said and thought he seemed fairly reasonable for a conspiracy nut. Until I told her about the lizards from outer space.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 28 December 2006 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

He used to be a sports presenter, and then a prominent member of the Green Party. Then he said the UK was about to fall into the sea, and then he said 12 ft lizards rule the world.

― The Real Dirty Vicar (The Real Dirty Vicar), Thursday, 28 December 2006 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I bet the original appearance on Wogan will be on youtube or something.

Wearing that shellsuit.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 28 December 2006 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Obviously he has no evidence. But I enjoy watching him nevertheless. It's like he starts from a perfectly reasonable point of view, say the erosion of civil liberties and then before you know where you are he's off on one. If you were a conspiracist (is that the word?) you might even think he was in the pay of the lizards to make conspiracists look bad.

And yeah it's on youtube - and it's painful watching not least becasue of the shellsuit.

― Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Thursday, 28 December 2006 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OSmdej56cw

― Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Thursday, 28 December 2006 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link

The comments box on that youtube page, urgh.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 28 December 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I couldn't actually watch the clip all the way through! Too embarrasing.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 28 December 2006 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Believers don't need evidence, you infidel.

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 28 December 2006 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link

This guy is a nutter in total. He's well-spoken, but the devil also wears nice suits.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

To put it another way, he's not a thinker, and he's certainly not a philosopher. He just has a feeling. Well, we all have feelings. I feel that I need some juice right now.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

he was a goalie

like the last pope...and albert camus!!

: O

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

they call me candle guy, you are already taking david icke too seriously

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

possibly.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

you don't really believe in the devil, do you?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

no.

what's wrong with albert camus?

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

HE WAS A FUCKIN GOALIE

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

FOR ALGERIAAAAA

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no problem with a goalie-philosopher. Just not Icke.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

thank goodness you don't share my prejudices

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SJzzV90VyJw&mode=related&search=

Get about ten minutes into this. People shape-shift into reptiles. Nutter.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Other notable goalkeepers include myself and Nabokov...

Icke doesn't come across THAT badly in that clip, it's just that his theories are almost certainly wrong (or at least deeply flawed).

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

*that clip being the first one posted here

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

if he were american i'd assume he was a plant to make left-wingers seem nuts. he basically operates like one, starting from reasonable leftist positions and transitioning gradually into the utterly ridiculous.

― a_p (a_p), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Other notable goalkeepers include myself and Nabokov...

Really? Nabokov? I stand redeemed.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

you stand moronic

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

hush, you

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

RJG thinks Camus and Nabokov are idiots? I'm not following.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

icke is not about "evidence", he is about lizardmen

― latebloomer (clonefeed), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

apparently, yeah. He's about having too much aluminium on his blood or something.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

attempt to follow this: I think you're an idiot

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you're charming.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Kiss me.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Why are conspiracy theorist videos on youtube or google video all so fucking long? I've been caught out a couple of times by interweb mentalists "watch this, it provides proof/evidence, if you don't watch it, how can you even debate this subject etc etc", always, they're an hour or an hour 20 of endless mad waffling. An hour and 20 of your life that you will never ever get back. Fuck that shit. That youtube clip was 55 minutes long! I watched 2 minutes of it and those 2 minutes seemed like an hour!

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 28 December 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Once you get to about the eight minute mark in that one, it's all pretty much about lizards. You'll get the idea.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah the 2 minutes I watched were from 9m to 11m approximately.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 28 December 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

His lectures are about 6 hours long now so you're getting off easy with 55 minutes

― Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Thursday, 28 December 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Was he any good as a goalie? There should be a team of failed footballers but I can only think of him and Gordon Ramsey so it's not going to get very far.

― Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Thursday, 28 December 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

His speeches are meant for the reptilians, they've got the patience since they have to sit in the sun for four hours every morning before their blood is warm enough to move. The fact that you can't watch more than two minutes is evidence that you're a warm-blooded human.

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 28 December 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

HE WAS A FUCKIN GOALIE
-- RJG (RJ...), December 28th, 2006.
FOR ALGERIAAAAA

-- RJG (RJ...), December 28th, 2006.

Urban myth, Camus was only goalkeeper for his university team, and then he got TB so had to quit. He never played competetive match after the age of 17.

Julio Iglesias would be a suitable replacement when it comes to great contributors to the arts who are ex-goalkeepers.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 28 December 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

you're not as bad as they call me candle guy

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 December 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

One episode of Jon Ronson's Secret Rulers Of The World deals with Icke and is worth tracking down on P2P. This article has a lot of details.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 28 December 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"Why do you think that is?" David Icke had asked me when I interviewed him about this matter in London. Then he turned to my notepad and thundered, "Come on, Ted Heath! Sue me if you've got nothing to hide! Come on, George Bush! I'm ready! Sue me! I'm naming names! Come on, Jon? Why are they refusing to sue me?"

There was a silence. "Because they are twelve-foot lizards?" I suggested, smally.

"Yes!" said David. "Exactly!"

― latebloomer (clonefeed), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

ROFL (which is reptilian for LOL, as it happens)

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I had only a passing acquaintance with this guy before this thread was started, but the more I know about him, the more the fact that there's a thread about him at all totally baffles me. Also, the fact that I ever responded to such a thread.

COME ON.

― they call me candle guy (kenan), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

every disastrous event ever was actually orchestrated by the global elite etc etc

I hate this kind of bullshit, it's a total abdiction of responsibility for the human race's myriad fuckups. We can't move forward unless we accept we're capable of getting things very, very wrong.

― Chap (chap), Friday, 29 December 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

His name is Icke. That's good enough for me.

― adam beales (pye poudre), Friday, 29 December 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

it isn't pronounced "icky" or it isn't supposed to be

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 29 December 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

You suppose as you will, and I'll do the same. Between the two of us, I think I'm getting the better end of the deal.

― adam beales (pye poudre), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

It is pronounced Ike. This is not a supposition, this is based on actually watching the dude on the telly (OK, I'm supposing he and his family have some basic awareness of the pronunciation of his name).

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Yr. missing the point. His name is drained of all laffs if it's pronounced "ike." Therefore it IS pronounced "icky" by any and all sane persons, regardless of how the popular maniac wishes to refer to himself.

And come on, how many Ickes are there in the world? Tons. And how many acknowledge that their collective name is actually pronounced "icky?" Most. The rest are cowards, and should be called out at every opportunity.

― adam beales (pye poudre), Friday, 29 December 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rsLj2ScRkFo

― Edvard Butt Munchausen (Edvard Butt Munchausen), Friday, 29 December 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

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