Quitting Smoking?

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I've smoked cigarettes for almost 12yrs. For the last year, I been trying to quit. I'll go a day, then a week, but I always give in. Recently it's become torture. Everyday, I make another failed attempt at quitting. Does anyone have suggestions? Tomorrow, I'm going to quit. I think I am going to go crazy for awhile, and I'm a bit afraid, but I've got to do this. I've started hating smoking and hating myself for giving in.

jacob sanders (Jacobs), Friday, 22 December 2006 05:58 (seventeen years ago) link

do the gum. you can chew it forever.

scott seward (121212), Friday, 22 December 2006 06:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I've started hating smoking and hating myself for giving in.

congratulations. that's the first step. you're hopeless until you start truly believing this.

when i quit, every time i had a craving i took a huge, deep, meditative breath or two. it sounds corny, but it started to work.

then i started jogging.

grady (grady), Friday, 22 December 2006 06:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Wouldn't the chewing the gum just give me another obsessive habit to quit?

jacob sanders (Jacobs), Friday, 22 December 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link

yes

electric sound of jim (electric sound of jim), Friday, 22 December 2006 06:26 (seventeen years ago) link

is it a willpower thing or something else. mine was fear of quitting even though i really wanted/needed to. my fear was that i'd find out i'd not be able to feel the same level of pleasure, life was actually dull w/o cigarettes, and i'd also be totally disoriented in organizing my life as everything was enhanced, bookended, scheduled by smoking for about 6 years (2 packs a day). so once i'd start to feel the actual affects of quitting i'd pull out to delay learning the awful truth. finally just had to go through with it full disclosure to myself and it was fine - much of what i felt was i think chemical addiction and it faded rather quickly. not that it was easy and i did have a major incentive (somewhat serious health issues), but seriously once i made my mind up, it was doable. i think i did ease into it a couple of times but i knew i was not quitting then, kinda experimenting with the feeling knowing i'd quit soon. finally went cold turkey when i decided. good luck to you! you won't miss it or even think about it later.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 22 December 2006 06:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I quit using the patch. I kept cutting the patch smaller and smaller each week. Now I am addicted to Trident White Peppermint and I chew it all the time. I haven't smoked for 4 yrs or something though, it might be 5 years this Mother's Day.

svend (svend), Friday, 22 December 2006 06:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"Wouldn't the chewing the gum just give me another obsessive habit to quit?"

not if you never quit chewing it.

scott seward (121212), Friday, 22 December 2006 06:51 (seventeen years ago) link

stopppppppppppppppppppp!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 22 December 2006 07:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Is the nicotine actually bad for your health? I'm sure the gum has it's own ill affects. What Susan said is also how I smoke. My day is a timeline of smoking rewards. And then there is the pleasure of smoking. But at this point, I'm not even sure if I do actually enjoy it.

jacob sanders (Jacobs), Friday, 22 December 2006 07:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope I don't offend anyone in saying this but, I kind of think people look stupid when they chew gum, like cows.

jacob sanders (Jacobs), Friday, 22 December 2006 07:16 (seventeen years ago) link

xp: almost added that i had stopped enjoying it as well, long ago even, but still worried about that "missing pleasure" factor. i think b/c you're aware of the chemical effect - you infact may worry that nothing will compel you etc. like this addiction. but you don't really need to replace it with some other unnaturally compelling thing. b/c once the nicotine is out and you not a smoker anymore - things take a different pace. you have to be ready for that change at the onset, but it seriously begins to feel like normal very quickly and all the scheduled-by-smoking shit is not so necessary either. but i think you do sort have to be in an accepting mood for this specific change.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 22 December 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

take up a new daring hobby, like drinking paint

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 22 December 2006 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I've started smoking again. :-( I know how pathetic that must sound since I quit about two and a half yrs ago (mainly because I was trying to conceive). I have only smoked one cigarette so far. The other? Taking a drag or two from the odd cigarette. It's just that one drag I crave, the rest I can do without. Really weird. But hey maybe when my cold's gone I will either want the whole cig or nothing.

nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 22 December 2006 08:11 (seventeen years ago) link

but still worried about that "missing pleasure" factor.

That is the key to the Allen Carr method, which worked for me, even if it was a delayed reaction. People who give up smoking see themselves as deprived, rather than seeing themselves as being free of a debilitating, expensive, anti-social habit. When I finally gave up smoking (after nearly 15 years as a smoker), I just stopped. I was, to be honest, ashamed of myself for continuing to smoke as long as I did, and I just started to think of it as a stupid habit. So I quit. And it was hard, and I put on a lot of weight, but all in all I feel a lot better and I never had any desire to start again.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 22 December 2006 09:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Srsly: one is deprived. There's so much fun in lighting up a cig after a meal. That blank page is a crock of shit. ;-)

nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 22 December 2006 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I smoked from when I was about 12 until I was 23. Very heavily for my late teens and twenties. It was the gum helped me get over the cravings. It also helped that the smoking ban came in here a few years ago meaning any opportunities to have a sneaky one with a pint were fairly non-existent. Be careful with the gum though. My mother is hooked on the stuff nearly 18 years later!!

kv_nol (kv_nol), Friday, 22 December 2006 09:46 (seventeen years ago) link

6 months smoke free after smoking for 13 years. i quit using the nicotine inhaler and willpower. the inhaler is a prescrip you can get from your pcp.

thebingo (thebingo), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Srsly: one is deprived. There's so much fun in lighting up a cig after a meal. That blank page is a crock of shit. ;-)

Oh Nathalie. I shake my head sadly, and patronisingly.

It is weird, though, after five years off the gaspers, to get this unbelievable craving out of nowhere in a stressful situation and realise that you're gumming for a fag. It's kind of funny.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

don't overthink it -- after the transition it isn't a big deal.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:55 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost I know I know! Y'know, I only take one or two drags but that's it. I know it's wrong, but it's like... I can still have it and that makes me able to resist smoking the whole pack. Crap excuse I know. :-(

nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I quit in March when the Scottish smoking ban came in after smoking 20 a day for 14 years. I used patches for the first two weeks then just relied on willpower. I did have the feelings of sadness and deprivation that the allen carr method mentions but that didn't last long.

I have had the odd occasion where i've craved a fag but i now find the smell pretty horrible. There is one major bummer in that i've put a shitload of weight on since i quit, i'm aiming to shift that in the new year.

leigh (leigh), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

If I'm not mistakes they will be printing NICOTINE-FILLED LUNGS on the packs from next year! Ek!

nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean pics not the real thing duh oh my god my typing suxors

nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

If I meet someone I want to marry, I will use the sickboy method.

Geza T (The GZeus), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

12-24, intermittently quit from 24-26, last couple weeks off followed by six days of heavy smoking, a cold, then 5 days and counting. it's not wholly a willpower thing; there's definitely a physical-chemical component that's harder to shake.

remy bean (bean), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

plus i am aware with each cigarette that i am shortening my lifespan. i have no doubt or wavering in this, every cigarette i have ever smoked feels this way. i am zeno cosini, and my conscience is a bitch.

remy bean (bean), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the physical chemical addiction is the reason I'm going to do the Sickboy method-Lock myself in a room for 2 weeks.

Geza T (The GZeus), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Leigh, do you know many other people who quit when the smoking ban came in? Your story would make Holyrood glow with pride :)

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

To be honest, the smoking ban in DC will do it for me as well. I've already lived through one smoking ban which was basically a nightmare of people loitering and shouting on the streets and have no interest in doing so again, especially since I'm not really that enthralled by smoking any longer--I'm with everyone who has said so far that the main reason I haven't totally quit yet is basically that I don't want to feel deprived or left out watching other people smoke.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 22 December 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

one day i'm going to write a book about my method, which basically comes down to: treat it like a breakup

a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know anyone who quit with the smoking ban. I know a lot who have cut down, the temptation to have a fag with your pint seems to be inversely proportional to the temperature outside and the desire to bugger off in mid-conversation. It still happens, but a lot less.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

The desire to bugger off mid-conversation will probably lead me to spend approximately $17,000 more on internet jukeboxes in 2007.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 22 December 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Conversely, it does give you an excuse to bugger off mid-boring-conversation.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

It's gonna be a long day.

jacob sanders (Jacobs), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Surely trying to give up in a holiday period where you are likely to be in more social situations than any other time of year is not the best idea? Too much temptation ---> feeling like you've failed when you do fail ---> loss of confidence of ability to try giving up again next time round.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I think that is OTM, considering slowing down is one thing but I think trying to quit cold turkey during the holidays is just a way to set yourself up to be disappointed. I would recommend waiting to quit 'til after New Year's Eve but I've never actually bothered to quit before so I'm not an expert.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 22 December 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

How is smoking anti-social?
I always thought it was the other way around. In high school - when I started - I got to hang around the cool kids. Now I'm working at a new agency I see alot of co-workers smoking together and it seems a good way to spend time with some of the more senior (and fun) staff. I find myself sometimes wishing I still smoked so I could work that angle!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

How is smoking anti-social?

hahaha, Markelby to thread. Or not.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:RZ7Sr96ZpiwJ:ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php%3Fmsgid%3D5233323+site:ilx.wh3rd.net+%22smoking+ban%22+scotland&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

For reference of badly-argued theories about why pubs shouldn't smoke in pubs.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I smoked for 10 years. Quit once during that time, and learned after 2 weeks that "I'll just have one cigarette" doesn't end well. When I quit for good, I had tonsilitis which prevented me from smoking for several days. Sickness distracted me from the physical craving period (which is pretty short anyway). After that it was all psychological.

Two things did it for me:
1) No longer thinking of myself as "a smoker." It was part of my identity, and once I self-identified as a "non-smoker" it was easier to stay away from cigs.

2) A smoking buddy said knowingly, "You'll be back." Yeah, I'm petty like that.

Benefits: being able to smell and taste things, incredible $$ saved, get sick a lot less.

Been off 'em for 12 years, though after 5 years I was able to have the occasional cigarette without lapsing back. What a life!

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 22 December 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

No longer thinking of myself as "a smoker." It was part of my identity, and once I self-identified as a "non-smoker" it was easier to stay away from cigs.

Yes! Also, when you meet people, if they offer you a fag and you say "no thanks, I don't smoke," they never offer again. Whereas if you say "I've given up," or even the really ambiguous "I'm trying to give up" they will still think of you as a smoker and try to draw you into their ways.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 22 December 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

--I'm with everyone who has said so far that the main reason I haven't totally quit yet is basically that I don't want to feel deprived or left out watching other people smoke.

This is totally true for me. I have little desire to do so if no one else is. (Which reminds me: fuck, I forgot to bring my cigarettes with me today since I'm going straight to the bar after work.)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 December 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I quite the last time using the patch and it's been almost two years since I had a smoke (I'd been smoking for 15 or so years.) I'd quit before using the patch too actually (for 8 or 9 months at a time, twice actually), but my girlfriend (who I quit with) would start smoking again and eventually I would get drunk or angry or irritable and I would just succumb to a cigarette and then a couple and then I would start smoking packs and then cartons again. Anyway when my girlfriend quit for the last time (and she's also going on two years) she got involved with the smoking cessation program at UCSF. They gave her free Zyban, patches, and group and individual counselling sessions plus they paid her money to be involved in the program. This might not help you, because you probably don't live in SF and even in you do the program is running to a close last I heard, BUT if you live in a city that has a decent medical school they may run a similar program. Also a lot of cities/states run similar programs (perhaps not as lucrative) with the money they got off the Big Tobacco and/or from hefty cigarette taxes. So I would recommend looking into that stuff because 1) patches and gums are expensive so anything you can get subsidized by the people who hooked you in the first place is all for the good and 2) counselling/group sessions are pretty helpful, esp. if a lot of your friends smoke, they give you a safe space to go and commisserate with folks who are going through the same schtick you are.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 22 December 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

well my doctor was convinced i am addicted to the nicotine inhaler now. and i think so as well...he put me on that new Chantix stuff. I start taking it tomorrow.

thebingo (thebingo), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

This much I know:

If you can go for three days without, quitting is possible. That's how much time it takes for nicotine to flush out of the body.

Thereafter, the 'twinge' your body makes when your synapses are crying out for a fix is actually a form of pain, so taking an aspirin or Tylenol or ibuprofen will relieve that pain.

Weight gain is a concern many people have but cardiovascular exercise will actually help reduce the capacity for a craving, and help with fitness generally. Many smokers are just plain orally fixated which is why food can become a problem. Drink water instead each time you feel like putting something foody or smokey into your mouth.

Worst part is hacking up giant lung cookies. If you use a gym, steam/sauna will help clear the lungs that bit faster.

suzy artskooldisko (suzy artskooldisko), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Alan Carr's "Easy Way To Quit Smoking" worked for me. It's been a couple years now and I can get totally plastered and still have no desire for cigarettes. In fact, I'm going to try Alan Carr's "Easy Way To Quit Drinking" after New Year's. I have a little brainwash problem where I think it's fun even though I know it's just dulling my senses.

Edvard Butt Munchausen (Edvard Butt Munchausen), Friday, 29 December 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i know that i can quit. i think now that i am not in school it will be easier?

anyway, i have quit for weeks at a time (been smoking 10-25 a day since i was 16, now i'm 22). what always got me to smoke again was driving long distances. but now that i can't do that until at least february, i think it might be a good time to try again?

the table is the table (trees), Friday, 29 December 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been successful for the past few days in smoking 4 puffs every 2 hours.
Day one felt like I hadn't slept in days, though I had slept fine even the night before.
Day two was alot easier.
By day three I could actually feel that amount of tobacco.
Today it was kinda hard, but I was bored for a couple hours.

Once this pack is emptied(that should be like...a week or two. It's like 1.2 cigarettes a day) i'll drop it to 3 puffs and then try this drug my pharmacist suggested.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Friday, 29 December 2006 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

No longer thinking of myself as "a smoker." It was part of my identity, and once I self-identified as a "non-smoker" it was easier to stay away from cigs.

this is about half otm for me, I went halfway by calling myself a "person who isn't smoking" cos "nonsmoker" has connotations of self-righteousness and severity that probably would've doused my enthusiasm to quit. It's a semantic headgame but those little itty bitty things make all the difference psychologically and of course it's different for everybody. Next Thursday will make it two years without a cigarette and I still don't conceptualize it as having "quit", but my fitter lifestyle now + the time and work I've already put in would be a whole lot to toss out the window so I find the moments of weakness get less and less rough with time(I had to ask my wife for help in Guatemala a few months ago tho; indoor smoking=yum. NO).

tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 29 December 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh Nathalie. I shake my head sadly, and patronisingly.

I smoke about two a day now. :-( If I do any more, I'll just quit full stop. Must be doable. I already quit coffee. -> No, migraine attacks so far! Hurrah!

nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 30 December 2006 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Ex-smoker?

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Sunday, 31 December 2006 00:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i quit smoking "properly" three or four years ago; maybe more. however, if i'm out with a smoker (hello ailsa!) and have had three or four drinks, i'll start bugging them for the odd tab. in extreme circumstances (hello my works day out!) i'll end up buying my own packet.

this, i'm fully aware, makes me a total bell-end on several levels (no-one needs an annoying mate stealing their smokes) and what really gets me is that if i'm out with non-smokers, i'll have NO DESIRE TO SMOKE AT ALL.

i did try some self-analysis about a year ago to work out why this happens: i think a lot of it is tied up with tired old notions of coolness/control and the ceding thereof. it doesn't help that mrs fiendish is still a social smoker too; it does help, however, that we're both very keen to knock this on the head once and for all.

ultimately, when it comes to smoking, i'm a bit of a twat. end of story.

grimly fiendish (simon), Sunday, 31 December 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

"Ex-smoker?"

Well, considering I smoke, not really. :-(

nathalie (stevienixed), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Nathalie, if it really is two a day, I doubt you've got much cause to worry. Fiendish, when I was a smoker and people begged a fag off me in the pub, I didn't mind it as long as they actually smoked the bloody thing. It's the people who scrounge one off you so they can wave it around and just feel good holding it that annoy me.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 31 December 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

ultimately, when it comes to smoking, i'm a bit of a twat. end of story.

Fixed :D

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 31 December 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

ailsa: i refer you to my wanking robot friend on the "desert wastes" thread.

accentmonkey: wow, that sounds like a whole new kind of annoying behaviour. you should shoe these people roughly in the bolls. i think i have seen someone do that once, but had blotted it from my mind.

grimly fiendish (simon), Sunday, 31 December 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link


XXXpost

Just because I WANT to fuck my ex girlfriend doesn't make me anything in relation to her but her ex-boyfriend.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Sunday, 31 December 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Basically, I'm saying while I'm horny for my smokes I can't put up with their bullshit any more. *rimshot*

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Sunday, 31 December 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

What?

Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Sunday, 31 December 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I quit cold turkey two years ago. I can offer nothing in the way of great advice other than "keep trying".

I've had a couple of drunken setbacks but I've been lucky enough to wake up next morning with regret and a sore throat rather than a craving.

I had a Final Cigarette In A Pub when the smoking ban came in earlier this year and it was wonderful, maybe the best cigarette I ever smoked.

Onimo drank ALL the wine! (nu_onimo), Sunday, 31 December 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

That's because your local pub is no longer a statistically impossible vortex of nicotine.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 31 December 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

one day i'm going to write a book about my method, which basically comes down to: treat it like a breakup

This would be a lot easier if cigarettes did horrible ex things like knock you up and then break up and disappear from existence, change phone & locks, etc. As it stands cigarettes just stop me from going bonkers.

I quit for five months recently and went fucking BONKERS...I was dreaming about them all night, every night, and thinking about them every minute of the day. I also wanted to strangle everyone I saw smoking out of jealousy. Crimes of passion and deprivation. I was talking to my mom-in-law about it and just burst out crying. She went and bought me a bag of roll-yr-own tobacco bcz she was so startled. SO now I'm back in the saddle of dying cowboys again. :(

The thought of going through grad school sans cigarettes was killing me, too...but imagining how I'll quit once I have a baby is even more maddening. I feel like a wreck.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 31 December 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

XXpost

"And you broke me like the cigarette
That I busted on the day I quit.
But now that I've been drinkin',
My pack is empty and I wish that I hadn't"
Alkaline Trio.

The fact that I love that song is what's kept me from both drinking alot during this period and also when I do have like ONE beer or something to stick with my regimen.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Sunday, 31 December 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

My love of Bach's "Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring" ain't doing the trick for me.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 31 December 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Leo Kottke's rendition of that.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Sunday, 31 December 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Abbott, just get your baby to smoke and everything will be fine.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 31 December 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned, you are the most sensible man I have ever met. "Baby's First Viceroy"...so I can hog all the good cigs for myself.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 31 December 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I quit the first time when I found out I was pregnant. The baby cravings replaced the nicotine cravings, and so it wasn't hard. I started smoking again when he was 6 months or so (after I quit breastfeeding) and only managed to quit by going to Mardi Gras for 10 days and smoking two cartons (I usually smoked maybe half a pack a day) and by the time I got home I didn't want another one at all. (I don't recommend this.) I still want one sometimes, and if I'm out drinking I'll bum one from a smoking friend, but I just can't take the taste of it now.

luna (luna), Sunday, 31 December 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link


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