ILX SANDBOX PRETENTIOUS NON-IVY PRIVATE COLLEGE FUXX THREAD

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um, i spent a year and got a degree at a "crappy" non-ivy private school.

and now i qualify for 3 out of these 4 college threads -- yay for me!!

Eisbär (Eisbär), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

wooooooo!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

YEAH FUCK PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND IVY LEAGUE FUCK YEAH WOOOO

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i went to a "new ivy." :(

elmo albatross (allocryptic), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Finally, a place for me.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I've gone to three different private colleges; graduated from one. I never can seem to make it through the Catholic women's institutions.

Maybe this time will be different...

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

hi dere. private non-ivy undergrad, public non-ivy grad.

quincie (quincie), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

look! i fit in somewhere! my school is not ivy but it is private and pretty fucking pretentious. i'm kind of sick of hearing "you can do whatever you want and succeed in life with a degree from this college" because given the luck of my friends who've graduated, that's at best a vast exaggeration and at worst a horrible lie!

Maria e (Maria), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

hello!

Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The "whatever you want" part is quite certainly a lie, especially if what you want is to be a meth addict or the first black-metal drummer to be elected to the Senate or whatever.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, beyond that it's usually an issue of "can" versus "feel like."

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

This is my reasoning for going back to college; I'm a nursing major now. When I'm done, I will have a skill and be employable. In theory anyway.

My husband was an English major in college. The job he has is a direct result of his student work job in the college's computing center.

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread reminds me that I had a dream last night where for some reason I was talking about the College of Wooster*, except in the dream I pronounced the first syllable of Wooster in a cartoonish high-pitched voice.

*Fun Fact: Deej's alma mater

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

going to a private school in california can be irritating because no one on the east coast has heard of my school and they usually just ask me why im not going to UCLA or Cal or something for less than half the price of the school i'm at right now.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Thread for reject rich kids.

KIDDING!

Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

All these recent college threads keep making me think about how weird it is that people put such a huge emphasis on high-school performance and the quality of undergrad school you can get into, as if the name on that bachelor's degree still makes the most difference in life outcome. Not that that's not an important start, but at this point, the big decisive thing seems to be how and what you do during those undergrad years -- there's this huge gap between casually working your way through with average grades and being one of those fierce hyper-involved students who's making connections with faculty, getting involved in outside programs and internships, surveying the job market and the leads into grad programs, etc. I'd bet on the latter type of student coming out of, say, the University of Michigan to achieve big conventional successes way before the former type of student coming out of, say, Brown. But it's weird: it seems like, since college kids are off on their own and you can't exactly check if they've done their homework, people just content themselves that they've managed to send kids to a decent school, and figure it's all on the kids from there on out. (Which is true, but it's still odd that our whole cultural rhetoric is based around this idea that college is about your own personal and social growth, and if you're going to a "good school" then you're fine, and there's very little discussion of the idea that you can really perform or not-perform as an undergrad. This is presumably because you're allegedly not applying for anything other than a job when you're done, and employers just see the school and don't order up your transcript -- but as educational inflation has more and more people heading to grad programs, this notion might have to change up a little.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

To be absolutely clear I obviously don't mean we live in some absolute meritocracy where Harvard undergrads and community-college students have equal opportunities for educational progress. But in terms of conventional "getting ahead" what you actually do with yourself in college, in the classroom and especially outside of it, seems way more critical than anyone ever talks about.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

There are certainly studies that say that, in ultimate financial successs, at least, it makes little difference whether you go to a top private school or a just decent public or private school. I think it's also been shown to have little bearing on your chances of becoming a CEO of a top company.

Where I do think it seems to matter most is in your first few years out of school (excluding people who go straight to grad school). When I was doing the internship thing in NYC I saw that Columbia, Brown, and even NYU kids had a definite leg up in media jobs.

It wasn't just that the school looked good on paper, it was that their schools were helping them get internships (NYU has a whole office that does this, apparently), and that they had more contacts from school, and they were more likely to have done something fantastic while in school (worked on a documentary film in Senegal or something), although that may have had more to do with the individual's financial means than the school itself. And I guess they generally seemed to be more likely to have "cultural capital." (as opposed to a public where even the very bright students around you are probably less likely to be into French New Wave cinema and hipster literary quarterlies).

I've also heard that the Ivies give you a big leg up in the entry-level finance positions, but that's not to say you can't ultimately work your way into that world starting with a non-Ivy degree.

Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

twice at these doozies, and still hard-scrabble middle-class.

remy bean (bean), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, there's a definite social/cultural leg up that comes with a lot of name schools for sure. A lot of the other things you mention are, yeah, possibly easier to get at with top schools, but they're still things you have to decide to get at -- internships, job placements, etc. -- and which ... well, maybe it's just the people I knew around that age, but a huge number of them weren't particularly tapped into those things.

It depends on the size of the school, I suppose: if you're a really engaged student at a small school, you're likely to wind up with firsthand connections and hand-picked placements into really good starter positions. If you're anything less than engaged at a big enough school -- no matter how good it is -- there's a decent chance you can just plop anonymously out of it; you'd certainly have an edge over those from "lesser" schools when applying for the same jobs, but it might turn out that you're scanning the classifieds where that "lesser" grad already has a clear shot at something better.

This is kind of a long-winded way to say something exceedingly obvious: that where you wind up has a lot to do with what you work for, what opportunities you take, how engaged you are with the whole process. It's just weird to me that those undergrad years seem like a really critical time for that, and yet that's not often talked about. No matter what school you go to, the difference in results between "I go to class, get Bs, go home" and "I'm totally engaged, up in yr office hours, up in yr committees, etc." -- that's gonna be massive.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

nabisco OTM, and I sort of wish someone had told me that before I went to college.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

how much help your school can give you with entry-level positions depends on what you want to do, too. my school is great for people with great grades getting consulting, investment banking and teaching jobs. pretty rotten for most other fields (e.g. nonprofits), you really have to make connections and network yourself. (which, frankly, i am not that great at. i have enough trouble keeping together my grades, a few fun extracurriculars, community service, and running, i don't have the time or initiative to film documentaries in senegal and start new aids activist groups and all that. i am friends with some of those people. i don't know HOW they do it.)

i've also seen good people get teaching jobs for a year through career services, and then be unable to get another one after that contract runs out.

Maria e (Maria), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Having avoidant (sp) personality disorder really made it hard for me to make connections in college and I'm finally starting to. Also, having a falling out with professor in field of choice who gave me an A and then getting a C- in her next class. :(

I went to a new ivy and now work for one. Working for a private university = best deal ever.

xpost my school was TERRIBLE with job placement help outside of the few big firms that recruited there

jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

As far as I could tell there was no job placement at all at Rutgers unless you wanted to work for Johnson & Johnson or some insurance company. Of course you could still get a leg up through a particular department or professor if you played things right - I guess that's true anywhere.

Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Thursday, 21 December 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I was pretty sure of what I wanted to do after college and although I got into two of America's best journalism programmes (one at Nabisco's BA school) I declined both offers for a smaller, more exclusive private college which gave me a full scholarship, as family was just poor enough to qualify (but not poor enough to get a Pell grant). However I think this had to do with having that career focus thing hammered into me at my very respected public high school where my counselor (dedicated to ensuring success of the gifted students in his remit) would lobby colleges on behalf of candidates. We were under no illusions as to what was available if we worked hard and got noticed.

My fiscal situation demanded that I had to work off-campus back when minimum wage was $3.30 and that's all they were willing to pay for work/study jobs on campus. I didn't want to go to grad school because of the cost involved; besides, in the kind of journalism/belles lettres/whatevs I make my living at people are terribly impressed by my college. It is tiny but full of international, well-connected students and alums and if you think I didn't know that when I chose it, your arse is still bruised from falling off that turnip truck.

suzy artskooldisko (suzy artskooldisko), Thursday, 21 December 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

J-school barely does shit for most people's careers anyway.

Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Thursday, 21 December 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno if I can agree with that - if you wanted to do conventional news journalism I'd say an MA, now, is the foot-shaped thing you need to wedge in the doors you want to burst - if only to have access to studio equipment and certain work experience opportunities. Back when I was school-shopping in 1985 it seemed more optional, but I wanted to go into print and more specifically, magazines. YMMV.

suzy artskooldisko (suzy artskooldisko), Thursday, 21 December 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"I go to class, get As and Bs, go home" was pretty much my credo, unless my 2 years at the nearly all-male, mostly-celibate humor magazine count.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

(but then I still don't know what I want to do)

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Working for a private university = best deal ever.

Sort of. Except if you're a school with a giant medical center, where their staff gets $400 xmas bonuses, and the lowly academic sides gets a free turkey.

molly mummenschanz (molly d), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I was taught by the Jesuits and the drinking age was 19. This is all I remember from college.

clevo lk (clevo lk), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link


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