jerry klein's islamophobe radio hoax

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i know its a couple weeks old but its really interesting

http://cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=2415&theType=NR

how about a take from the aptly named 'americans against hate' blog http://americansagainsthate.blogspot.com/2006/12/rationalization-via-euphemism.html

wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Klein%E2%80%99s_2006_Islamophobia_Radio_Parody

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061201/lf_nm/usa_muslims_fear_dc_1

A Gallup poll this summer of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification.

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

compare media and public reactions to this & oh i dunno borat

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

And indeed, I'd missed hearing about this. Thanks for the post.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

haha AM radio listeners

TOM. BOT. (trm), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/top.jpg

SPIT TAKE

TOM. BOT. (trm), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

After hearing the term Islamophobia, I decided to check with the American Psychological Association to see if they recognize such a disease or condition. The researcher that I talked with said that she hadn't heard the term used in a scientific discussion. I expressed my skepticism that Islamophobia was a scientifically recognized term. The researcher said that she'd look into this. Then she said that she shared my skepticism.

WHAAAAT

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

also , 'chocoholic' is not an actual psychological term therefore, no one likes chocolate

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

waht

I kick hoosteenical flows/spit spat wahts that (hoosteen), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

haha i wz just gonna post that

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i have done extensive research on the occupations of conservative bloggers and have found only a few actual mechanics or mechanical engineers. Nor does the technology of blog require any actual wingnuts.

It is therefore plain as day that the term "wingnut" is at best non-descriptive, probably derogatory, and a sure sign the user of the term is blowing a lot of hot air! These people are just not serious.

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i suggest we replace islamophobe with 'misallahgynist'

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i know, i can't believe that all he's got is "there's no such medical term as islamophobia, therefore..." people can't be racist??

jeez

a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean i know i'm just repeating what you guys already have said but that's still got me shaking my head

a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I read about this when it happened, and wish it had gotten more airplay. Part of the reason i think it didn't is b/c if you already think AM radio types are bilious racist paranoid fearmongerers, then it doesn't really shock you so much(and thus isn't considered "news," i guess) that their listeners would eagerly support making a whole swath of americans wear armbands.

Hell, plenty of the listeners already brand themselves with their faith, and display signifiers on their cars, business cards, company webpages, etc.

So maybe it ain't too far a stretch to make it compulsory for the insidious brown menace to do so as well.

Also, Borat had the benefit of studio backing and a months-long campaign of sorts.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

we should ask a shrink what all words on dudes blog are actual psychological terms and then we can ignore all the ones that arent

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, this bit is great:

In other words, Islamophobia isn't a scientific term but rather a term used for debating.

"See? SEE?! The expert says it doesn't exist, it's just a word you effete, elitist appeasers throw around while sipping your lattes!"

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i think considering this story broke at the height of boratmania the media blackout surrounding it is kinda telling... it seems like anti-semitism is the one big feel-good predjudice that all americans can come together to feel better than

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

he's letting the Post column he linked to do most of the rhetorical work for him. he takes it as a given than the imams were up to something, and any discussion further is "ignoring the facts"

(for the record, i think the flight crew probably made the right call. if you have a bunch of freaked out, complaining passengers you have to go with that, sadly)

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

it's kind of unbelievable that so many people, of ANY opinion on muslims in this country, didn't smell a setup right off. tattoos??

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

heres the actual link from AMERICANS AGAINST HATE to the klein thing http://americansagainsthate.blogspot.com/2006/11/jerry-kleins-spoof.html

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.americansagainsthate.org/images/Senators-for-Terror.jpg

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

what the fuck, he doesn't even say anything about it

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

yesterday in grand central i saw an older islamic man laying down his prayer rug and bowing to mecca just off the main thoroughfare. surrounding him where about 30 to 40 people watching him with shock, disgust and fear. nothing about our proclivity for discrimination and small-mindedness should shock us.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not shocked by people hating muslims. i'm just extra-saddned by people basically heading for the hills when the radio says the martians are attacking.

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

No shit - Martians can fly! We shd stay low.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:25 (seventeen years ago) link

my proclivity for discrimination and small-mindedness leaves me with no choice but to be wholly dismissive of the peeps who ride metro north

TOM. BOT. (trm), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

it seems like anti-semitism is the one big feel-good predjudice that all americans can come together to feel better than

well, yeah. it's the big target that people can feel better about themselves quickly rejecting without any thought to the other troubling shit that they fear. We've talked on here before about how Racism(tm) has been branded as existing only in the form of dumb white dudes in sheets, and if black people aren't getting the firehose turned on them, then i guess it's all better and we don't need to worry about such trifles anymore.

That kinda thing.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

it seems like anti-semitism is the one big feel-good predjudice that all americans can come together to feel better than

i'm not sure i quite buy this considering the homophobia stuff in borat, which most americans wouldn't come together to feel better than, i'm guessing.

a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

holy shit, the Anti-CAIR thing they link to is even better.

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/antiCAIRbanner.jpg

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

what was barbara boxer thinking when she posed for that senators for terror pic!!?

wait holy shit did we just slashdot americansagainsthate.org

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

she was playing to her base ;-)

a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

while we're all here, check this out:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-weigel19dec19,1,2105517.story?coll=la-news-comment&ctrack=1&cset=true

made me laugh!

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

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Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i think the flight crew probably made the right call. if you have a bunch of freaked out, complaining passengers you have to go with that, sadly

really? doesn't this violate public accomodations anti-discrimination laws?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Imams_controversy
Flying Imans...why do i find that image so amusing?

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Cross-posted at LetFreedomRingBlog

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The men shouted "Allah, Allah, Allah" before boarding the plane

okay, WHO DOES THIS? (inc. terrorist imams?)

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, I see how the insisting on being seated a certain way might rise to the level of suspicious behavior. reasons like "omg they're totally not even obeying Islamic law in the way they pray!" are less-than-convincing and completely irritating though.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

of course this is intrinsicly tied up in anti-muslim prejudices. my point is that the pilots can't and really shouldn't be in the position of deciding if their passengers are seeing something real or if they're just racist. if complaints come, they have to follow through (in whatever process that entails)

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

(i'm not registered at latimes and i go right to it...)

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

no luggage + one-way ticket is still a flashing red light no matter who you are, though, and has been since the seventies. I thought everybody knew better than that.

TOM. BOT. (trm), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

god will provide...

fwiw i have no idea how this event or something like it is affected by public accomodation OR discrimination laws. the inside of a plane is wierd ground, legally, i think

urghonomic (gcannon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, you're right. I think these dudes could definitely make out a prima facie case, but the airline would have a pretty airtight defense based on security concerns.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm assuming that's how their complaint is going to go down.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

reasons like "omg they're totally not even obeying Islamic law in the way they pray!" are less-than-convincing and completely irritating though.

I'm just wondering who would do that! It has nothing to do with whether or not they're terrorists. It's not "suspicious," just WTF.

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

but it's my understanding that anything involving public sale is considered public accomodations (the lawsuits brought against Denny's for their racist seating/serving policies were brought under civil rights statutes covering public accomodations, for example.)

xpost: well yelling "Allah" 3 times seems weird, but honestly, praying twice does not (or only weird in the sense that profoundly religious people are weird). there are tons of nonobligatory prayers in Islam; I assume they were performing those.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

here's the lollerz from the LA times op-ed page, about rightwing geeks churning out sci-fi culture war tomes or "LIBERALITY FOR ALL"/Left Behind-type screeds:

Science fiction goes political

In books out now, President Chelsea Clinton hosts Osama bin Laden while most of the country lives under Sharia law.

By David Weigel, DAVID WEIGEL is an associate editor at Reason magazine (www.reason.com).
December 19, 2006


Be afraid, conservatives. If you survived the victory speeches of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and allowed yourself to think, "Things can't get any worse," get over it. They can.

Two years from now, terrorists under the banner of the "Progressive Restoration" will take over Manhattan in a larger attempt to overthrow the government. Thirteen years later, President Chelsea Clinton and Vice President Michael Moore will haul out the good White House china for Osama bin Laden's state visit. By fiddling with your radio, you may be able to catch an underground broadcast by Sean Hannity. If you own a radio, that is; folks living in states that are under Sharia law won't even be that lucky.

These aren't my fantasies or nightmares. All of these vignettes are ripped from science fiction thrillers that have hit shelves in just the last 18 months. Sharia comes to the United States in Robert Ferrigno's potboiler, "Prayers for the Assassin." In Joel C. Rosenberg's "Last Jihad" trilogy, a steel-spined U.S. president nukes Baghdad, then combats a Russo-Iranian axis, all in fulfillment of Scripture (or so we're told in the nail-biting third book, "The Ezekiel Option"). Hannity and his stone-jawed sidekick, G. Gordon Liddy, battle the Clinton restoration in Mike Mackey and Donny Lin's comic book, "Liberality for All." The Second American Civil War is breaking out in Orson Scott Card's "Empire" (book out now, video game on the way).

If it all sounds a little strange and crazed, that's because it is. The right's sleep of reason is bringing forth dark, futuristic political thrillers.

This is not the first time literature has performed such a trick. The Cold War years inspired plenty of nuclear nightmare fiction, and the environmentalism boom produced hundreds of chillers about overpopulation, melting ice caps and worse. Before he was visited by extraterrestrials (or was struck by the vision of a giant advance) "Communion" author Whitley Strieber churned out "Warday" and "Nature's End," Bible-sized entries in the Armageddon and Enviro-geddon genres, respectively.

Nuclear scare and environmental disaster fiction played off fears that seemed very real. Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins' "Left Behind" books hinge on an event — the Rapture — that millions of readers believe could happen literally at any moment.

But the new genre of culture war and terror war novel is different. In "Prayers for the Assassin," an awful and believable event — coordinated nuclear attacks on American cities, with Israeli terrorists framed as the culprits — kick-starts a future that's too ridiculous to be fearsome. Egged on by Hollywood celebrities, millions of Americans convert to Islam. Families haul their kids to the thrill rides at Palestine Adventures. Battleships are renamed for Osama bin Laden.

It sounds like satire, but here's the funny part: Ferrigno is serious. Promoting the book on its official website, the author intones that "the possibility of such events transpiring only adds to the power of the book." Americans giving up the cross for the crescent, skipping Ruby Tuesday's during Ramadan? Why not? It could happen if, as Ferrigno warns, people are "weakened internally by dissent, economic malaise and a consumer culture hostile to people's genuine thirst for meaning in their lives."

Go back to the Cold War, or go back even earlier. Choose any conflict and you can find citizens and senators warning about the complacency that could usher in victory for the enemy. Americans were duly spooked by the German-American Bund, by shifty-looking Japanese immigrants and by every cultural trend of the moment that was softening up teenagers for the Red takeover.

Of course, it's of dubious value to compare the current American crisis-- a hot and cold war against Muslim extremists with no foothold on the home front --to those conflicts. But that's how many Americans choose to interpret it. President Bush's speechwriters are never happier than when they're comparing the war on terror to the epic battles of "another generation." In the dying days of his Senate race, Pennsylvania's Rick Santorum warned voters that turning him out could bring on World War III. "Many Americans are sleepwalking," the soon-to-be-ex-senator huffed, "just as they did before the world wars of the last century."

This is not normal behavior. It's coping behavior. It's similar to the tricks some doctors teach young patients who are struggling with cancer or other fatal diseases: They should visualize their maladies. If they picture the tumors ravaging their bodies, they can picture their bodies fighting them off and blasting them into oblivion.

Culture war fiction serves the same function. "Liberality for All" simply continues the one-sided conversation that's been taking place across right-wing media with increasing fury since 9/11. If you think the media, the courts and the United Nations are in cahoots to destroy your way of life, beating liberals in elections won't solve the problem. Better to dream up the final battle between liberals and liberty that has been framed by Hannity (the real-world blowhard, that is, not the fictional action hero) and fight it out in the funny books.

Card, the Hugo- and Nebula-winning science fiction writer, is the biggest literary heavyweight to try his hand at the culture war novel (though you wouldn't know it from "Empire's" stilted dialogue and improbable plot twists). But, by his own admission, he's doing it for a higher purpose than mere book sales.

"We are so constantly pounded by mild-mannered, stating-it-as-fact fanatics of the left who dominate the media that that starts sounding like the normal climate," Card sighed during a promotional interview with husband-and-wife bloggers Glenn Reynolds and Helen Smith. "Repetition makes even insanity sound normal."

Some insanities, maybe. Not quite all.

Two bits:

1) sci-fi's been political since the genre began

2) orson scott card's been batshit for years now

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

(the reason I find that reason irritating, though, is that unless the airline had an Islamic scholar on staff, wtf do they know from "Islamic law"? it just reads like some non-Muslim who read a book about Islam telling a Muslim that she's practicing her religion wrong.)

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Tho it's kinda cute to that that every western subculture turns to fiction to address their boogeymen.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

(also, my "omg they're totally not even obeying Islamic law in the way they pray" was a shot at the wikipedia summary of the controversy, not your post, Curtis.)

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

"We are so constantly pounded by mild-mannered, stating-it-as-fact fanatics of the left who dominate the media that that starts sounding like the normal climate," Card sighed during a promotional interview with husband-and-wife bloggers Glenn Reynolds and Helen Smith. "Repetition makes even insanity sound normal."

Haha not yet.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

(okay, last paranthetical comment to myself. to draw out why I find the they-prayed-weird reason for finding them suspicious annoying: it seems to reflect a desire for a black-and-white rulebook for quick-'n'-easy judging of how Muslim is too Muslim or something. which is inherently hostile.)

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Refusing to sit in your assigned seats is an offense worthy of expulsion in any case. Iman or not. Get out of my seat! And please stop praying so much!

debito (debito), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.pocanticohills.org/womenenc/iman.jpg???

f. scott baio (natepatrin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh fucking OS Card

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

hey I've been avoiding ruby tuesdays even outside of ramadan!

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

what about congressman virgil woode's douchey letter about how muslims will ruin our democracy and are soon to invade our shores if we don't stop exercising our democratic voting rights?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

goode, rather

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link


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