Would YOU turn down a $500 Million Presidential library?

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So they're now casting about for where to build the half-billion memorial/thinktank/collection-of-post-its for Dubya, and have narrowed it down to three candidates: SMU, Baylor, and the University of Dallas

Problem is, SMU, the current fave, doesn't want it.

Would you have something like this on your campus? Would you jack the rent up a shitload to make it worthwhile? Would you list in on the university map with the location circled and the legend "DICKS LIVE HERE"?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

if you could have a free apartment inside the gwb presidential library would u take it?

jhoshea (jhoshea), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

would there be free dicks?

or, barring that, free dongs?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

The muckety-mucks at SMU totally do want it, hence the letter from Perkins divinity school (my dad is a graduate).

God bless em for their straight talk and spine.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I wouldn't take it for dubya. he's a moran.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

it would be decorated in signature gwb style, but it could be wherever you want. the thing is when you tell someone where you live you have to pretend yr a great admirer of his and mention something abt caring on the great reagan legacy or some such shit.

jhoshea (jhoshea), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd love for every accredited institution in the country to run away from this "honor" at top speed. Then for his presidential library to end up a webiversity in the Caymans or something.

a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

since this administration is one of the most secretive, if not the most secretive, in history, what exactly would go in the presidential library? not much of anything?

Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

they probably just want to throw some thinktank cubespace and interns in there to attempt to spread the gospel

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Why do I feel like his own personal collection of Garfield cartoons would be included in his presidential library?

Although presidential libraries are associated with NARA (National Archives and Records Admin.), I'm pretty sure they're privately funded, so we can all sleep a little easier knowing our tax dollars aren't funding this.

molly mummenschanz (molly d), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Scratch that, I think we do pay for them. Hooray.

molly mummenschanz (molly d), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Anybody visit the Clinton one yet?

PP/Sunny, have you been there?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"In 1955, Congress passed the Presidential Libraries Act, establishing a system of privately erected and federally maintained libraries. "

http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/about/history.html

I remember learning about this, but the details, as per usual are a bit fuzzy.

/end confusion

molly mummenschanz (molly d), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I bet they put his fucking mountain bike in it.

jw (ex machina), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder if clues to the refusal can be found in SMU's list of major donors.

Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

The first post is completely misleading. The higher-ups at SMU want it (and have basically stolen a bunch of old folks' homes for land to build on), I'm sure the student and alumni population want it, Highland Park wants it, and the most important departments (bidness, bidness, mo' bidness and I guess you could throw in the law school) probably want it. The reasons are ideological or simply an assumption that any Presidential Library = prestige and moolah.

A few professors != SMU.

milo (milo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

the thing is when you tell someone where you live you have to pretend yr a great admirer of his

Bleah, ain't worth it. Like with the Real World, there's some shit that even rent-free digs won't justify.

Hmm. Of course, B&M would turn it into "The Real World: Dubya House!" which would surprisingly have the same amount of on-screen cockfarmer that that regular series features.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The Real World: Dubya House!

this, i like.

jhoshea (jhoshea), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a little bit obscene, considering that a number of federal libraries have closed recently (including EPA and NASA libraries).

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

would surprisingly have

oops, NOT surprisingly, rather

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a little bit obscene, considering that a number of federal libraries have closed recently (including EPA and NASA libraries).

Exactly. And the Library of Congress has made some major funding cutbacks (in cataloging, for example) which just ends up hurting the entire library world.

molly mummenschanz (molly d), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I walk by the LBJ library every morning on my way into work but have yet to visit. for shame.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been to ________ presidential libraries:

HOOVER (West Branch, IA): Lots of those generic white mannequins filling grain orders in exhibits of Hoover's childhood. Hoover would later do the same in WWI to combat hunger in Europe. About three-fourths of library is pre-presidency and the Great Depression is kind of noted as "Hey, it coulda happened to anyone!" Nice white mannequin of Hoover fly-fishing, complete with mirrored plastic water and bird sounds as you walk out toward the gift shop. Hoover and Mrs. Hoover are buried underneath a McDonald's sign.

TRUMAN (Independence, MO): Paintings of Truman in Masonic apron. Very interesting panorama showing before/after photographs of Hiroshoma with strobe light that segues the transition to "after". APPARENTLY, there is this VERY FAMOUS photograph of the president holding a newspaper that ERRONEOUSLY predicted a win for the president's opponent. It was a very HUMOROUS and ICONIC image that you can now buy on a coffee cup in the gift shop for $12.95.

JOHNSON (Austin, TX): Sam, you really ought to go. One of the better ones I've been to. They've got Johnson's limo, all pimped and tricked out. They've got his Oval Office replica with the three RCA televisions, so that he could watch ALL THREE NETWORKS at once. As I remember, they were also pretty frank about Vietnam, saying how it ruined his presidency. It's hard to remember. I was there for SxSW and was coming off a bad hangover. I ran through it and met one of my buddies at a nearby Denny's soon after.

CARTER (Atlanta, GA): Lots of burnt orange carpeting with blue stripes here and there. Entire rooms and galleries dedicated to the improbable and successful 1976 election. They even got the Playboy magazine interview opened up inside one of the glass cabinets. Lots of campaign commercials playing on monitors, all of them looking a lot like "Schoolhouse Rock" cartoons. Some attention paid to the Begin/Sadat summit, the 55 MPH speed limit, and then the Iran Hostage Crisis. Then it's all over, and you're back in the gift shop. Ronald Reagan's name isn't mentioned once.

CLINTON (Little Rock, AR): Savvy and interactive. Spend an afternoon electronically browsing through correspondence between the president and the likes of Whoopi Goldberg and Danny DeVito. Kinda weird to see a museum dedicated to the 90's already, but there you go. Funny video presentations of all the skits the president made for the press dinners including a completely bizarre segment where Hillary plays a Forrest Gump character, complete with retarded accent, and the president tries to eat all of her chocolates. The ushers will completely try to force you into the little theater to see the Harry Thomason intro movie, but you don't have to go in there if you don't want to. Although, a darkened theater would be just the place for some quick oral sex, if you're into some sort of perverse bragging.

BUSH II(Location yet to be decided): I assume that you'll walk through an archway of jagged steel from a destroyed skyscraper. The library will be divided into two sections: The International side will be perpetually under construction with no one sure who's in charge, and the Domestic side will be three feet under water. However, not only will there be no admission charge, but the museum will pay YOU $200, just as long as you give them a blood sample and surrender your stem cells at the door.

PPlains (PPlains), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"...and now, the collection of pretzels that Former President Bush choked on!"

editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I've only seen the FORD museum. There's some crazy 70s memorabilia, plus a constantly running video clip of Betty Ford suggesting on 60 Minutes that her children might have used pot, and saying that she is totally pro-choice. I'm not entirely sure where the FORD library archives are held. Perhaps Dick Cheney knows.

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:49 (seventeen years ago) link

my parents have that little red lbj book!

without you i'm nothing (get bent), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:53 (seventeen years ago) link

if you're into some sort of perverse bragging.

I thought you were on record as having peed on the side of the Clinton library.

Without question, there is only one suitable place for this institution: Iraq.

Michael White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 07:10 (seventeen years ago) link

For shame indeed! It's one of Austin's hidden treasures, up there with the Ransom Center. From one of the articles:

Ironically, the LBJ library has probably done more to advance the reputation of its subject more than any other presidential library--not by design, but simply by releasing his telephone tapes into the public sphere. That's the way history is supposed to work.

and from the comments:

Here, here on the LBJ Library and the LBJ School of Public Affairs. Great institutions, both of them. At the end of the day, LBJ didn't have much to be ashamed of. He was never personally in favor of the Vietnam War. His generals wanted it, his advisors recommended it, but he had serious reservations about it (all well documented, as you note). But he didn't want to be the first president to lose a war and he didn't want to go against his military advisers... Bush and Iraq is another story altogether.

Robert McNamara bears a lot of that out in the Errol Morris documentary, and he has no reason to lie. Johnson was, near as I can tell, a good man who had the dual curse of being caught in the middle of Vietnam and having a talent for looking like a hayseed.

All that said, The LBJ Library is the ugliest building in Austin. Maybe worldwide. It's horrible, windowless, monolithic, squatty, like some kind of ironic monument to the worst of 60's architecture.

http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/images/img/img0071.gif

Don't let that stop you, though.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Johnson was, near as I can tell, a good man

make that, decent president. He also had a reputation for being politically corrupt as all hellfire.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Everything I know about Chicago politics I learned from watching Texas Democrats.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 08:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I like that LBJ building - it reminds me of Oscar Niemeyer. I understand it is currently being done up, perhaps they'll put some windows in.

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

lbj was the best president america ever had. and his library looks good.

FUCKTHISSHIT (JACKLOVE), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

my parents have that little red lbj book!

-- without you i'm nothing (jb...), December 20th, 2006. (later)

i have it, too.

Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

kenan have you ever seen the j edgar hoover? the lbj library looks like a dream of what downtown dc could have had.

TOM. BOT. (trm), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

looks like some sorta Logan's Run/Buck Rogers monstrosity

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Or Starfleet Academy

jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, as much as I hate to admit it, LBJ's isn't even the ugliest presidential library, much less overall ugly building.

http://justinsomnia.org/images/little_rock_clinton_library.jpg

PPlains (PPlains), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

wtf do you guys only like tudor houses or something

TOM. BOT. (trm), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link


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