The Dark Knight Strikes Again: C/D

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So Frank Miller goes Andy Warhol on us, Batman's a peripheral character in his own story, Catgirl gets hawt, Superman's a mad dog in the sack, and Green Arrow's a Marxist.

Hate it or love it?

― i kick hoosteenical flows/spit spat what's that (hoosteen), Friday, 15 December 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Kind of just plain forgot about it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 December 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

totally forgettable. Read in half an hour.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

the art seemed really half-assed too. Would be even more lifeless without Lynn Varley carrying the lion's share of the visual work.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, i flipped through the first issue when it first came out and was basically UH. art seemed unappeallingly sloppy, and it wasn't really much of a "read."

if they get it at the library, i'll give it a second look.

― baby wizard sex (gbx), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

its basically a long litany of throwaway superhero gags (Green Arrow as Marxist, the Flash as enslaved human power source, etc.) I only read it cuz a friend had a copy.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I enjoyed that it was completely "pop" in that it threw in a bunch of "serious issues" as sound bites and dispensed with 99% of the deep internal monologue crap that was the strength the original DKR was plagued by. It felt at points like Miller was spitting in the face of anyone who wrote about DKR as serious work, which gave me the giggles.

― mh (mike h.), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

green arrow was marxist in dark knight returns, tho

― baby wizard sex (gbx), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

that cover up there looks good, tho

― baby wizard sex (gbx), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

it also reminded me that its been 15+ years since I read DKR and I can barely remember a single thing about it beyond its quasi-fascist politics and jokes about dope-smoking hippies forgetting that they have children.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I think with DKSA, what you have is quasi-facists smoking dope.

― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Frank Miller strikes me as a very confused dude, politically speaking.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

see his recent comments re: 9/11 for rundown. gossip sez ayn randian.

― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

that said the colors in DKSA are awesome

― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember him saying he was gonna do some Batman vs. Osama thing, right...? And justifying it with yr standard "people aren't aware of the threat we're up against/this is classic good vs. evil" claptrap...?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

(he is pretty Ayn Randian... I wonder what he makes of Mr. A)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked DKSA more than I thought I would. Mike H. OTM. I think DKSA actually holds up to rereadings as well as DKR does.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

mh has good points, but I'm a little confused as to how a work can be plagued by its strengths.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

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― aidsy (aidsy), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, like when Thomas Pynchon excels at dense prose that's really clever but the problem is that there's 1000+ pages of it so it gets to be drudgery after a while.

― mh (mike h.), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

somehow, when you put it that way it makes perfect sense

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

it gets to be drudgery after a while.
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― i kick hoosteenical flows/spit spat wahts that (hoosteen), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I like it (I was the friend who lent Shakey a copy) as a repudiation of the authoritarian politics of DKR. The art was really sloppy though.

― schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it tempting to read it as very Nietzschean, waht w/Superman and all. That bit about "What will we do with our world" really struck me as advocacy: the overman will rise above the commoners to rule and stamp out the bad shit in the world.

― hoo keeps it steen/and they love that shit (hoosteen), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

dark night returns is definitely better than mien kampf, but dksa? i dunno.

― max (maxreax), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

But then you've got the batboys and Batty talking about leading a mass-based revolution to take back the world from the oligarchs too, so wtf.

Frank Miller strikes me as a very confused dude, politically speaking.
-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), December 15th, 2006.

otm perhaps.

― hoo keeps it steen/and they love that shit (hoosteen), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

dark knight returns, that is.

― max (maxreax), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

you know what was some good Frank Miller shit? that one he didn't draw, about the giant robot.... argh what was that called (Little Boy and Big Robot...?), artist (geoff something?) is totally amazing...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

ah - Big Guy and Rusty the Robot.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i like geoff darrow

― baby wizard sex (gbx), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel very lonely in liking Hard-boiled in a non-OMGWTF way.

― hoo keeps it steen/and they love that shit (hoosteen), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

unfortunately I can't grab any of the images from that off of Amazon :(

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Hard Boiled? (xpost)

No, no, I love Hard Boiled for so much more than OMGWTF.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

has everyone seen the trailer for the 300?

― max (maxreax), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

that dystopian Frank Miller/Dave Gibbons miniseries was also pretty good, altho also incredibly confused in its politics. Kind of like a third-rate American Flagg (when oh when will the bound reprint of that come out!!!!)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

(best Frank Miller = Ronin)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I know Miller and the dude that illustrated Hush are doing a run on All-Star Batman & Robin. That should be some bonkers shit, anybody seen it?

― hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (hoosteen), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: OTM

― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

FWIW, my Rand-ass urban hermit apathetic/libertarian friend loves the shit out of Frank Miller.

― hoo keeps its steen/and they love that shit (hoosteen), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

has everyone seen the trailer for the 300?

it promises two hours of video-game cutscene

― Name Not Found (rogermexico), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, but without having beat bosses or anything

― max (maxreax), Friday, 15 December 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

300 always looked fantastically boring to me. That A Thousand Ships Bronze Age shit didn't do a thing for me.

― i kick hoosteenical flows/spit spat wahts that (hoosteen), Saturday, 16 December 2006 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I am the person in the world who greatly enjoyed DKSB. Because I am not so familiar with the DC Universe I found all the superheroes in it kind of exciting.

I really liked the art too. The colours are great.

― The Real Dirty Vicar (The Real Dirty Vicar), Saturday, 16 December 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

lol "the person in the world"

I enjoyed it and intend to keep it on the shelf, but I didn't enjoy it to the same degree as DKR, obv.

― i kick hoosteenical flows/spit spat wahts that (hoosteen), Sunday, 17 December 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I know Miller and the dude that illustrated Hush are doing a run on All-Star Batman & Robin. That should be some bonkers shit, anybody seen it?

-- hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (merlindude0...), December 15th, 2006.

Bonkers doesn't begin to describe it.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Sunday, 17 December 2006 01:56 (seventeen years ago) link

tell me bonkers good. tell me bonkers good, ffs!

― hoo keeps it steen/and they love that shit (hoosteen), Sunday, 17 December 2006 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sorry, but it's fucking terrible.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Sunday, 17 December 2006 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

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― hoo keeps it steen/and they love that shit (hoosteen), Sunday, 17 December 2006 02:08 (seventeen years ago) link

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― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Sunday, 17 December 2006 02:11 (seventeen years ago) link

werent the first 3 issues in the batmobile or something?

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 17 December 2006 02:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I really liked DKSA too, for the first time in ages it seemed like Miller was just having a bit of fun with superheroes, and he managed to produce an imaginative, enjoyable comic while doing that. The problem with DKR is that it asks us to take itself seriously, which means we have to take Miller's, er, dodgy politics seriously (Batman's quasi-fascism and vigilantism, weed-smoking parents who forget they have a child, etc.) too. DKSA mostly sidesteps those issues, which makes it a less controversial read.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 17 December 2006 08:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I think with DKSA Miller even managed to bring in some golden-age sense of wonder related to superheroes, something you wouldn't expect from a normally cynical writer like him. I mean, just the first scene with Atom is like, whoa! (I won't say anything else not to spoil it.)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 17 December 2006 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen that frame before, is that All Stars? Cause if it's all like that I wanna be all over it.

― hoo got it for steen (hoosteen), Sunday, 17 December 2006 08:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I read DKSA again last night because of this thread, and I hated it even more than I did the first time.

― Jay (jaymacke), Sunday, 17 December 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish I could read it again, but I gave mine to Slocki.

ILComics ROLL CALL!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 17 December 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Anybody else pick up that Sandman Mystery Theater revival? There's some potential there, I think.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Sunday, 17 December 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Why didn't we get our own Sandbox board when there's a board called "goddamned 1p3 hold"?!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 17 December 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think we asked for one.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 17 December 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I think we all needed a break after THE POLL was finally finished.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 17 December 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't even know who to ask... Who controls this site?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 17 December 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

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― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 17 December 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

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― Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 17 December 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh. I see changes have been made.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 17 December 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

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