Serial Killer in Ipswich

(also, they haven't released full details of how they died, I've only seen one of them confirmed as having been strangled)

re - strangulation, maybe I've misheard then.

-- DJ Martian (altmartinu...), December 12th, 2006. (djmartian)

dj martian on the case

A theory Sky News were peddling too, I notice. 24 hour news channels are loving this - hours and hours of wheeling out real-life CSI dudes to explain, erm, nothing.

Just to clarify for the benefit of anyone following this on this thread rather than actually going with the stuff reported as fact, the first victim actually went missing over a month ago. The first body was found ten days ago. It's still a short timescale, but it's not quite hacking down a couple of prostitutes a day.

Just to clarify for the benefit of anyone following this on this thread rather than actually going with the stuff reported as fact, the first victim actually went missing over a month ago. The first body was found ten days ago. It's still a short timescale, but it's not quite hacking down a couple of prostitutes a day.

Here's a timeline of the killings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6171319.stm

and a map too but I forget how to post pics (if someone could post that map that would be great)

bbc anchorman responded with "yes, i suppose they've all got drug habits, haven't they"

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What, you DON'T think the 24 hour news channels ever so slightly exploit dramatic situations for ratings?

btw to post pictures you do (img src="blahblahblah.jpg") but with pointy brackets rather than round ones.

Lex, yes, there are more factors, but (and I'm trying to back this up somewhere - I heard this at a seminar last year) it's something like 80% of prostitutes in the UK who have a drug dependency and I'm guessing that it's those women who need to keep working to support their habit.

*You can imagine the tabloids(esp Daily Mail) complaints at the very thought.

Forcing women onto the streets generally, yes.
But forcing them out onto the streets of Ipswich tonight - is drugs.

I hope some way is found to provide for their 'needs',without them having to go out, until this man is caught.

Regardless of the fact that many places already have unofficially tolerated brothels - at the moment enforcement of the law depends entirely on the attitude of the local police.

The problem is getting people to access these services when they have (Lex-baiting stereotype approaching) pimps/boyfriends (often the same person) wanting more and more money off them to feed their drug habit too. Getting prostitutes off the streets is a long and complicated process, but things are being done to address it. But it can't happen, forcibly, overnight, and some people will always be willing to take the risk to carry on. Grimmest T/S ever - possible run in with murderer vs kicking at hands of smack-addicted pimp when you fail to come home with enough money for his drugs, let alone your own.

again, maybe so, but mentioning it offhand like that in a NEWS programme subtly shifts the blame on to the women - almost like saying it's their fault if they get murdered, and if they have to go out to fuel their drug habit then that's their fault too

And those that do, do you think they wouldn't think that if the BBC didn't mention it?

Ailsa, you will no doubt have heard of the Glasgow case the other month where a prostitute was attacked by someone she thought was a client, and lost an arm - but was back on the streets working within the week.

(Glasgow, for those of you who didn't know, has had a prostitute-murdering serial killer on the loose for a few years now; there's a good chance it was him involved in that case)

She's very far from the only one who would do the same.

The bodies are all turning up very close to the A14 which runs from the Midlands to the port of Felixstowe, so perhaps it's someone who regularly uses that route for the cross channel ferries - perhaps not a local man, but maybe a Belgian lorry driver?? Though leaving the bodies all so near this road seems to suggest such a link far too obviously, so maybe the killer is playing deliberate games.

Did she lose the arm when shoved out of the car on the motorway or had she already been attacked and she was just dumped on the road later? I never did see anything mentioned about that.

Has anyone linked these girls to the Glasgow ones yet?

With regard to the finer details of the attack, she can't actually remember because she was fucked out of her head on valium. She wasn't thrown out on the motorway though, she walked down there to flag down help after somehow getting out of the car in a graveyard about half a mile off the motorway.

Would it make you feel better if it was a foreigner? And a lorry driver? (why specifically a Belgian one?)

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The Record had paid her for an earlier article where her and the boyfriend were all "yes, this is dreadful and we love each other very much and this is the thing we need to make Gillian get off the streets" - I think, in as much as I think any intrusion into anyone's life is justified, that the Record were right to go "well, now she has our money and they aren't exactly making a go of putting their lives back on track". What more do you expect them to do?

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http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2006590015,00.jpg

shock news!!!!

Maybe that's why two men are in custody?

oh wait. givesell, right? :-/

oops, I look a bit like a murder suspect roffle.

Police said the first man arrested Tom Stephens, 37, has been released on police bail pending further inquiries.

"There have been significant ongoing inquiries and interviews during the period that these men have been in custody.

"As a result of these inquiries, the 37-year-old man from Trimley was this evening released on police bail pending further inquiries. Police will not name this man at this stage.

"The second man, Stephen Wright, from Ipswich, has been charged with the murder of all five women."

Before the hearing Mr Wright's solicitor, Paul Osler, said: "Of course, anybody accused of these sorts of offences is going to experience trauma, but he is bearing up well."

Phew. At least he is doing well.
(WTF?)

I guess I'm oldfashioned, but these are the kind of journalistic ethics I miss these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wright_(
suspect)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wright_%28suspect%29

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In response to the investigation, executive vice president of the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, Todd Spencer, said "Truckers are just absolutely outraged that various media sources or the FBI would draw the conclusion that truckers are over-represented in the ranks of serial killers".[52]