Serial Killer in Ipswich

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They've just announced on the news that a fifth woman is missing http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6168697.stm

I remember the hysteria around the Yorkshire Ripper in the late 70's but this seems a whole new level of depravity.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 11 December 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

It's the speed which is so shocking, Sutcliffe was a monster of course but this man is on some sort of spree and lord knows when he'll be caught,

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 11 December 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Did they catch Billy Dods mid-sentence? Tune in next time he replies to find out!

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 11 December 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

...but Billy Dods is innocent.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 11 December 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

William Corder's ghost?

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Monday, 11 December 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Bobby Robson's recovered from his stroke quickly enough.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 11 December 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

5 now? bloody hell.
I only read about an hour ago there was a 4th missing.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 11 December 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

I remember when the Yorkshire Ripper killed his last few victims and when he was caught. But those killings were over a period of a few years. This is what 5 in 2/3 days?

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 11 December 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

2 more bodies found now according to Sky News.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6173633.stm

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

There was even a Channel 4 News newsflash in the middle of Deal or no Deal.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

Undercover cops will get this ripper

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

I think they've all been strangled.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

You know when I saw where the bodies had been found on the map I wondered if there was going to be a pattern(it looked like it might go in a circle.), I wonder where these ones were found.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

They were found near Levington, if you read the article that you linked to.

(also, they haven't released full details of how they died, I've only seen one of them confirmed as having been strangled)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but there's no map(and I don't know Ipswich)

re - strangulation, maybe I've misheard then.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

You're connected to the internet right now! Surely you can find out if you're so fascinated by this?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

At lunchtime, some of them were suspected poisonings.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hopefully clicking on this will satisfy your "tracing the steps of a serial killer" needs.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

the union of randy men of ipswich will catch him eventually (they have to)

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Undercover cops will get this ripper

-- DJ Martian (altmartinu...), December 12th, 2006. (djmartian)

dj martian on the case

― amon (amon), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

You know when I saw where the bodies had been found on the map I wondered if there was going to be a pattern

A theory Sky News were peddling too, I notice. 24 hour news channels are loving this - hours and hours of wheeling out real-life CSI dudes to explain, erm, nothing.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

Not seen sky since I saw those headlines.
24 hour news channels do that with everything though. They will wheel out anyone.
cheers for the map btw. Just looking at it now.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

This is what 5 in 2/3 days?

Just to clarify for the benefit of anyone following this on this thread rather than actually going with the stuff reported as fact, the first victim actually went missing over a month ago. The first body was found ten days ago. It's still a short timescale, but it's not quite hacking down a couple of prostitutes a day.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

According to what I just saw on Sky News The police are worried more prostitutes are missing and haven't been reported as so.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

Not Sky News are really bored because nothing's happened since yesterday and they need to stir up some more fear because people might stop watching?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

The bastards!

Here's a timeline of the killings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6171319.stm

and a map too but I forget how to post pics (if someone could post that map that would be great)

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

on bbc news 24 yesterday, there was a social worker type woman (i think - wasn't looking at screen) who said that prostitutes who went out should do so in pairs, be careful &c, even though the official advice was to not go out at all - she mentioned that there were factors which meant some women had to go on the streets regardless.

bbc anchorman responded with "yes, i suppose they've all got drug habits, haven't they"

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

To be fair, that is why most women get into/continue in prostitution.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, should have added "get forced into" as another option there.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

So, is the big "all prostitution customers please report to the police" action a big success?

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

maybe so but it's a rather insensitive stereotyoe to bring up, no? i mean, factors like homelessness, having to care for children, having to eat may also play a role in "forcing" women on to the streets

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

The bastards!

What, you DON'T think the 24 hour news channels ever so slightly exploit dramatic situations for ratings?

btw to post pictures you do (img src="blahblahblah.jpg") but with pointy brackets rather than round ones.

Lex, yes, there are more factors, but (and I'm trying to back this up somewhere - I heard this at a seminar last year) it's something like 80% of prostitutes in the UK who have a drug dependency and I'm guessing that it's those women who need to keep working to support their habit.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if there's anyway now that a change in the law to *legalize brothels will come since in theory the women should be safer.

*You can imagine the tabloids(esp Daily Mail) complaints at the very thought.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to lexpretend.

Forcing women onto the streets generally, yes.
But forcing them out onto the streets of Ipswich tonight - is drugs.

I hope some way is found to provide for their 'needs',without them having to go out, until this man is caught.

― bidfurd (bidfurd), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Wishfuk thinking, sadly.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

You can imagine the tabloids(esp Daily Mail) complaints at the very thought.

Regardless of the fact that many places already have unofficially tolerated brothels - at the moment enforcement of the law depends entirely on the attitude of the local police.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, it could be done quietly. The cops must have confiscated drugs they could pass on.

― bidfurd (bidfurd), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

There are plenty of support agencies for drug users and prostitutes up and down the country, why is it wishful thinking to assume that the same can be done (if it isn't being done already) in Ipswich?

The problem is getting people to access these services when they have (Lex-baiting stereotype approaching) pimps/boyfriends (often the same person) wanting more and more money off them to feed their drug habit too. Getting prostitutes off the streets is a long and complicated process, but things are being done to address it. But it can't happen, forcibly, overnight, and some people will always be willing to take the risk to carry on. Grimmest T/S ever - possible run in with murderer vs kicking at hands of smack-addicted pimp when you fail to come home with enough money for his drugs, let alone your own.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

again, maybe so, but mentioning it offhand like that in a NEWS programme subtly shifts the blame on to the women - almost like saying it's their fault if they get murdered, and if they have to go out to fuel their drug habit then that's their fault too

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it's implying that AT ALL, Lex.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

lexpretend, "like saying it's their fault if they get murdered"
why do you think people think like that? nobody I know does.

And those that do, do you think they wouldn't think that if the BBC didn't mention it?

― bidfurd (bidfurd), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I know the British public can be astonishingly kneejerk at times but I reckon in a 'TS - prostitutes and drug addicts vs serial killers' the serial killers are unlikely to come off well.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

Grimmest T/S ever - possible run in with murderer vs kicking at hands of smack-addicted pimp when you fail to come home with enough money for his drugs, let alone your own.

Ailsa, you will no doubt have heard of the Glasgow case the other month where a prostitute was attacked by someone she thought was a client, and lost an arm - but was back on the streets working within the week.

(Glasgow, for those of you who didn't know, has had a prostitute-murdering serial killer on the loose for a few years now; there's a good chance it was him involved in that case)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, she was found about a mile from my house. She discharged herself from hospital, sold her story to the Daily Record (grinning photos galore of herself and boyfriend who was fully behind her career of choice), then went back to work.

She's very far from the only one who would do the same.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

It was sad to see a BBC reporter interviewing one of the girls last week, asking her if she was worried by the events. She said she was, but that she would continue to work because she needed the money - but that she would be careful about whose car she got into. She was one of the ones subsequently killed a few days after that interview.

The bodies are all turning up very close to the A14 which runs from the Midlands to the port of Felixstowe, so perhaps it's someone who regularly uses that route for the cross channel ferries - perhaps not a local man, but maybe a Belgian lorry driver?? Though leaving the bodies all so near this road seems to suggest such a link far too obviously, so maybe the killer is playing deliberate games.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

In that Record article she says with support she would give up drugs and prostitution. Then the record got an undercover reporter to approach her on the streets and took photos etc. How helpful.

Did she lose the arm when shoved out of the car on the motorway or had she already been attacked and she was just dumped on the road later? I never did see anything mentioned about that.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

The details of the Glasgow case upthread. I hardly think the Record are the villains of the peace.

Has anyone linked these girls to the Glasgow ones yet?

With regard to the finer details of the attack, she can't actually remember because she was fucked out of her head on valium. She wasn't thrown out on the motorway though, she walked down there to flag down help after somehow getting out of the car in a graveyard about half a mile off the motorway.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

maybe a Belgian lorry driver??

Would it make you feel better if it was a foreigner? And a lorry driver? (why specifically a Belgian one?)

(xxpost)

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

peace = piece. You know what I mean.

The Record had paid her for an earlier article where her and the boyfriend were all "yes, this is dreadful and we love each other very much and this is the thing we need to make Gillian get off the streets" - I think, in as much as I think any intrusion into anyone's life is justified, that the Record were right to go "well, now she has our money and they aren't exactly making a go of putting their lives back on track". What more do you expect them to do?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

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― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sidthemanager.co.uk/graphics/wpic10.gif

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

HAHAHAH. the fact i knew that was coming as i scrolled down only made it better. the fact it's such a craptacular eighties cheesy pic makes it borderline godlike.

― grimly fiendish (simon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

these two loners double-teamed the prostitutes? or the police are lame?

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=423549&in_page_id=1772&in_author_id=322&expand=true

― Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

yea someone linked that. fucking disgusting.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

So is this Steven Wright on mysapce?

― G. Samsa (G. Samsa), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

they didn't publish my comment

― Ste (fuzzy), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

oh whoopsie, sorry

― Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

there are *some* comments that don't make me wish for all-out nuclear war there.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

oh it's worth the collateral damage surely?

― Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

Front page of The Sun has a picture of the latest suspect choking his wife.

― Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

ROFL

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2006590015,00.jpg

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha. this country.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

"DNA at 3 Sites"

shock news!!!!

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

oh fucking rofl lol !!

― Ste (fuzzy), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

It seems (allegedly, according to unnamed sources etc etc laywers gtf nothing to see here) the first two victims were dumped in water and there was no DNA evidence linking the 2nd suspect to them but the next 3 victims were dumped on land and there was.

Maybe that's why two men are in custody?

― Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Is he strangling her because Noel is dating her? (top corner, left)

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

is that the noodle vague guy?

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder how they got that picture. Would you give a picture (especially one like that) of a friend/relative/neighbour/collegue to the papers before you're sure he's guilty?

oh wait. ~~give~~sell, right? :-/

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

It's his ex wife (or one of them, he's on his 3rd marriage, she was his 2nd wife), so she might not give a shit about him. His Dad was spilling his guts too as they haven't spoken for years.

― Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

At least she survived :-)

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

xxxpost

oops, I look a bit like a murder suspect roffle.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

they let you use the internet?

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

the woman he's "strangling" looks like one of our senior editors. it's a small and not particularly amusing or coincidental world.

― grimly fiendish (simon), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

That was the first draft of the Sherman brothers' song for Disney.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wot's with the Jack-Nicholson-as-the-Joker mouth?

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Thursday, 21 December 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

you tell us

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 21 December 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm only allowed one internet post.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Thursday, 21 December 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

A 48-year-old man from Ipswich is charged with murdering five women who worked as prostitutes in the town.

Police said the first man arrested Tom Stephens, 37, has been released on police bail pending further inquiries.

"There have been significant ongoing inquiries and interviews during the period that these men have been in custody.

"As a result of these inquiries, the 37-year-old man from Trimley was this evening released on police bail pending further inquiries. Police will not name this man at this stage.

"The second man, Stephen Wright, from Ipswich, has been charged with the murder of all five women."

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 21 December 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if Myspace will reinstate his page now?

― Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Friday, 22 December 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/6202691.stm

Before the hearing Mr Wright's solicitor, Paul Osler, said: "Of course, anybody accused of these sorts of offences is going to experience trauma, but he is bearing up well."

Phew. At least he is doing well.
(WTF?)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

Presumption of innocence?

― Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

Presumption of innocence = we shouldn't even know his name until he's been formally charged. And after that, nothing, not how he's feeling, not why he did it, according to a woman who lives next door, nothing until the trial.

I guess I'm oldfashioned, but these are the kind of journalistic ethics I miss these days.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

His solicitor was likely responding directly to a question such as "How is Mr Accused feeling?"

― Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Friday, 22 December 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

All these mentions of Steve Wright are doing my head in, I keep expecting the Mr Angry and Gervais the Hairdresser to be taken into custody.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 22 December 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

"Police believe he was most likely to strike in the afternoon..."

― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 22 December 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

According to Wikipedia he had a character called Mr Perv.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

"like you become your job" all over again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wright_(
suspect)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

huh? (did I do that?)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wright_(suspect)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

it's a bit like a lostpedia entry.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

Cool! I want a wiki entry of my own!

― Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

you should start one.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

Like anybody's going to be able to resist vandalising this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wright_%28suspect%29

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASteve_Wright_%28suspect%29&diff=95848676&oldid=95841252

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

deep

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Cool! I want a wiki entry of my own!

Strangle a few Wii characters and you'll be FAMOUS!

― nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

The information on the "official" roffle-free version of that Wikipedia article is pretty problematic, I reckon. Dickheads.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

In response to the investigation, executive vice president of the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, Todd Spencer, said "Truckers are just absolutely outraged that various media sources or the FBI would draw the conclusion that truckers are over-represented in the ranks of serial killers".[52]

― schalke nult fear (nakhchivan), Thursday, 15 December 2011 02:41 (fourteen years ago)

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