I want to talk about "the Wire" on HBO

xpost Really? that seems like a lot of interpolation but I'll look at the scene again I guess.

yeah, there are weird contrivances.. sometimes I watch again and things make more sense, sometimes not, though, like back in s3 where avon asks stringer where he's going to be the next day, for no reason. why wouldn't he figure out he was being set up - and he looks like he does realize something is about to happen. for that matter in s2 why would omar believe what stringer said about brother mouzone? that's just stupid

Plus, Bubbles subplot, though heavily telegraphed, was also tragic.

Ugh. Anyone else think that McNulty will disintegrate next season? Does anyone get a happy ending?

This is how I read it. I mean, Michael shot him. You could see his face.

Anyone else think that McNulty will disintegrate next season?

I really hope not. He's doing so well! Why do I care so much?

and Bodie kicking in a cop car window because he was mad at Marlo made absolutely no sense

That scene was outstanding!

The worst thing was that everyone who decided they were going to make an active effort to help someone from the projects -- McNutty, Prez, the foster mom, Cutty, Bubbles, Carver, the special teaching group, Carcetti -- ended up disappointed, dejected, demoralized, or worse. Bunny and Namond is a momentary bit of hope, but we'll see if that lasts.

The show needs to finish with SOME success stories, because while the negative stuff is true to life, good things actually do happen, even in Baltimore.

That's from the website. Michael couldn't kill Bodie because the first killing is supposed to be someone you don't know.
And then Michael does his first killing.
I miss Bodie. He could spit like no other.
Bubbles hanging himself and then being embraced by STEVE EARL!? So fucking classic.
Omar re-selling the stash at 20 cents on the dollar - fucking classic. But now I suspect he will die, and that's gonna hurt worse than Bodie. Nothing hurts worse than Wallace.
So.. where are they going next? I have loved every season, and I guess I'm trying to revive the "The Wire" threads of yore. What's next?
My S.O. says it's the media. So - from corners and poh-leese to the docks to the schools - maybe media is the next step.
I miss Wallace.I miss Bodie.

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yeah I heard that too about season five - the national media are coming in already over the bodies in those vacants so I suppose that's where it starts. I miss wallace and d'angelo. d'angelo was so smart, you know, i also don't quite get why he wouldn't know better than to be that outwardly defiant to avon.. but most of all I miss stringer, which is messed up considering he was the one who had them both killed. he's just way too good looking I guess.

method man in the last ep or so - "shit was unseemly!"
re: shooting the hat off omar's grandmother - "it's hard to get good help."
all the co-op meetings are funny as hell
prop joe - "for a cold-ass crew of gangsters, y'all carried it like Republicans an' shit."
"the chair didn't recognize your ass"
poot - "does the chair recognize that we are going to look like some punk ass bitches out there?"

I don't think that was Michael that shot Bodie. though the kicking in the window sort of did make sense, he punches a cop in the first season just out of the blue, pretty much

well, yeah, Bodie is a hothead, they've been consistent about that. but it seems to me that there's a big difference between punching a cop when you're about to be arrested anyway, and kicking a cop car in front of dozens of police, especially in an episode that's meant to underline how Bodie was a smart guy who understood the game and never fucked up for any old reason. it just seemed like a very roundabout way to put him in McNulty's sights, when there are any number of other more logical/legit reasons he could've been arrested.

mcnulty? everything he touches turns to shit. I feel like the writers love the guy, and I'm sick of him, been sick of him since the first season, I think. why'd they claim to have run out of story for the stringer bell character & yet still have more to say about this guy is beyond me

I kind of feel you on that, although the fact that McNulty was pretty much benched and barely present for most of Season 4 makes me think they don't love him/writing him that much (especially w/ Simon stating emphatically that The Wire is not a cop show all the time and McNulty being the most traditional cop show element in it, they might be kind of embarrassed about him initially being the central character and want to downplay him).

"They got Honeynut Cheerios?"

"I can't WAIT to go to jail!"

"Got to, this is America."

I miss Bodie.

Yeah, but Bodie believes in the code of the street, and Marlo doesn't. Marlo is killing dudes, and Bodie YEARNS for retribution. But he can't do it, because he'll end up vanished. It makes total sense to me. I mean, the McNutty part seems completely arbitrary to me.

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I never got that either. It's like he was making a point out of it.

Bodie was pissed off because he saw Little Kevin taken out of the masoleums. Bodie knew he had sent his friend to death. That's why he erupted. everyone is dying for being a snitch, in Marlo's world. But sometimes being a snitch means uttering one sentence in the wrong place.

Omar is the only sane character. Which means he is going to die.
I love Omar!

i was gonna guess that season 5 would focus on prison but that simon interview says it's the media (and marlo and the greeks according to season 4). i have a feeling mcnulty will be brought back but i hope not, he's been done to death. bunk is so much greater.

wire on bet, sopranos on.. a&e i think? january is going to kick ass

Chris' point was, that's not how it's supposed to be, but oh well, times ain't what they used to be.

from the hbo.com recap:

Unable to convince Bodie to flee, Poot finally runs for cover, passing a young hooded boy - O-Dog, one of Snoop and Chris's trainees - who creeps up to Bodie and shoots him in the head.

After Season 1, I think. He marries a stripper who worked at the Barksdale club IIRC.

i think filming begins march 07

Randy and his foster mom are on Herc. Sherrod's on Herc. Bubbs is still breathing, but he's on Herc too. Dude sold a lot of people out this season.

xp that would be dook, noob

horseshoe indulge me plz

forget about sobotka

dude like....idk i feel like he is essential for some reason even tho i never really personally connected with him

i think i'll like him more the second time thru tho

ziggy still worst ever

hard to rank the deaths because wallace and to some extent d'angelo getting killed were shocks to me and then i was like, oh this is how this show works all the characters i love are going to die, so i was more prepared. having said that, stringer's death is the saddest to me even though it's a different kind of sad than basically everything that happens to the season 4 kids. also for some reason i've seen season 2 a lot recently and frank and ziggy really get to me. honestly every five minutes something gutwrenching happens on this accursed show.

i love the actor who plays frank sobotka's sad scared defiant face so much.

yeah i mean i feel like wallace is the most "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" and the rest are more like "ok i expected that but still"

stringer's hit me hard

ziggy still worst ever

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seriously this is no joke one of the worst characters i've ever seen -- when he goes off the rails and murders ppl for no reason it seemed so unearned

he really reminded me of bad sopranos characters that showed up for like one or two episodes... except for an entire season

even though i love the show and the actors and the writing and all the characters except marlo and i totally knew he was going to die, when they killed stringer i was like I'M NEVER WATCHING THIS STUPID SHOW AGAIN.

horseshoe otm

you guys are wrong about ziggy but i am too lazy to recreate my many ilx defenses of him.

in defense of ziggy:

- huge penis

lol

ok should we even rank wire characters on a wkiw basis or would that be too personal

xp lol DOES NOT COUNT

i mean i we're being that superficial nicky's girlfriend's boobs gotta be in the convo

if*

hmmmmm...

i don't think we re

#1 wkiw wire character is bodie, and this conversation is now over

*adds Ziggy's dong to portrait list*

I MEAN COME ON xxp

also: Bodie's death hit me hardest.

also: wtf does wkiw stand for?!

i don't think we re

#1 wkiw wire character is bodie, and this conversation is now over

― v-shasty, Monday, December 5, 2011 2:31 AM (14 seconds ago)

yah i agree w/ this, tbh feel like ive chilled w/ dudes pretty similar to dude tbh

xo "would kick it with"

ha ha. i see.

Lester all the way.

namond should be a portrait cuz otherwise who represents all the time spent w/ those kids

i think duquan should be the representative kid

yeah i feel bad but i mean of all the eras abt which im sppt to fld bad abt...

could put a few in one. i was considering it; but i never got as into the kids as much as a lot of you guys.

dude like yeah, either namond, michael, or duke are reasonable choices, but given hov's outside career, cmon

think bunny deserves it too tbh

but then i Don't Really Care About Omar so obviously i can't be trusted

you should have one room that's whatever pantheon you settle on and then another room that's just ziggy, scott templeton, the evil jewish lawyer, and brother mouzone, all lit harshly from overhead

why not have some lighter, maybe oil-pastel eccentric pairings, like amy ryan w/rhonda perlman, method man w/clay davis, &c

saddest that prop joe didn't make it, even though it was inevitable.

prop joe def needs a portrait

I've forgotten how prop joe expires, think that will make for a good surprise on re-watching

bodie's death is a dark horse for me for most affecting death, he reminds me of kids I used to hang out with as a kid, RIP bodie ;_;

(just finished the fifth series, halfway through the main ILX thread before it went away)

<I>so, the wire being what it is, leads me to think avon and marlo end up in jail for a long, long time even though they both want to go out like stringer did, and it's stringer and prop joe who get killed because neither of them wanted that.</I>

Good guesses! Except Marlo gets an even worse fate - he gets the future that Stringer wanted.

Haha I still can't do bbcode

ok, I missed something back in season one. who made all those questionable or at least 'of interest' political donations all over town that the detail was looking up? the barksdale organization? if so, how did clay davis pull that scam on stringer later on?

The payoff to this in Season 5 is great: Gangsters meet Clay with Levy in attendance: discreet bleeds of money. Gangsters meet Clay without Levy: vast fountains of money!

ugh how does some dude not want bubbles in there. though given his taste in tv he;d probably request a 13th of childish gambino

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does this mean you're done fronting on the wire now that you have another show to obsess over as evil hipster snake oil?

lol

should be a painting of all the broads mcnulty banged (campaign manager, waitress, amy ryan, pearlman, honorable mention to the two prosties he got w/via fake (actual?) accent.

wkiw picks: Kimmy and Bunk

watching the second season of damages right now and it's kind of hilarious to have freamon and rawls all buddy buddy on it, playing rich villains.

ok - i've got everything sorted out with the artist and it's a go! wooo!
portraits will be of:
• Bunk
• McNulty
• Stringer & Avon (large)
• Bubbles
• Clarcetti
• Rawls
• Daniels
• Kima
• Bodie
• Marlo
• Snoop & Chris
• Lester
• Omar

dang..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yszXIlfBYsc&feature=related

sweet hell. i had no idea.

"operation usual suspects", cops playing cops