Like where this belief really comes from?
I understand the need to "support our troops." I really do.
But I really bristle at hearing how a young soldier got killed by a roadside bomb in order to protect our Way Of Life and our Free Society.
I dont think this way of thinking can just be written off. I want to talk about where it comes from and what the need for it is.
― grady (grady), Saturday, 9 December 2006 06:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zachary Scott (Zachary S), Saturday, 9 December 2006 07:07 (seventeen years ago) link
Bad Men were doing Bad Things to destroy our freedom.
So we must destroy them where they are to preserve our freedom.
The end.
(I wish there was something more to it than that but there is literally nothing else to it at base. The more elaborate types spin out the idea that Iraq was going to be a haven for al Qaeda but it boils down to the same thing.)
As for the need, the need is one of security (as in a security blanket rather than actual security), justification and the ever-hopeful sign that it all 'meant something.' Because if it means nothing, everything else collapses and a whole bunch of people are in fact dead for no reason. That many people don't want to confront that is understandable, but that doesn't make their stance any less justifiable.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 December 2006 07:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Saturday, 9 December 2006 07:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 December 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link
Troops in the Pacific/ North Africa/ Europe = Freedom in the USA
was much more credible a belief, wasn't it?
― grady (grady), Saturday, 9 December 2006 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link
"It was true then, it must be true now!"
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 December 2006 07:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 9 December 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer's ice rink of martyrdom (clonefeed), Saturday, 9 December 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 9 December 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 9 December 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Ergo, the troops are fighting right now so they must be fighting for freedom.
I honestly believe that a lot of people say it out of habit without thinking twice about what they're actually saying.
― PPlains (PPlains), Saturday, 9 December 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― PPlains (PPlains), Saturday, 9 December 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 December 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link
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― PPlains (PPlains), Saturday, 9 December 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 December 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link
Actually, it's not merely about *our* freedom, though. That'd be selfish. It's also "freedom for Iraq," "freedom everywhere," and "democracy."
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 9 December 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 9 December 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― friday on the porch (lfam), Saturday, 9 December 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― MAP (mattp), Saturday, 9 December 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― a_p (a_p), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link
Because it seems permanent, I'd guess. It seems forever present and (by self-definition) 'strong,' therefore it has value attached to it. Like most traditions it's not THAT old and yet it seems eternal.
But skeptical takes on power are truly long-lived. It's very me to say this, perhaps, but I am reminded of a line of Faramir's from The Lord of the Rings (the book, that is): "I do not love the sword for its brightness or the arrow for its swiftness. I love only that which they defend." Tolkien as a war vet doubtless said this from the heart and it's a viewpoint I am highly sympathetic towards, speaking as someone who grew up in the military and all. It serves as a warning and in and of itself can have its meaning twisted to alternate ends, and I think we see something similar at play now.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Saturday, 9 December 2006 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link
If nothing else, it's like pro-wrestling; lose a "loser retires" match, stay off the cameras for a few months, then do a run-in fresh as can be to be brought into the storylines again.
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 18 December 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zachary Scott (Zachary S), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― TOM. BOT. (trm), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― TOM. BOT. (trm), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link