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i work at the c3nt3r for pupp3try 4rts in 4tlant4 & right now everyone calling in to ask about our upcoming 'dinosaurs' show has a bunch of batshit creationist objections ('uhh does this have any references to dinosaurs living "millions of years" ago? is it just one reference or is it a lot of references? are there men living along with the dinosaurs, or does it "act like" (ed note; her actual phrase) they came later on?? does it have evolution in it? does it mention "the flood"?) etc etc etc etc etc

im tryna be polite with these worthless fucks but every time i have to tell them that the show 'falls on the traditional scientific view... which i know is an issue for some people... but most of it is implicit'

how can i basically tell these people to fuck off without losing my job? everyone i work with thinks theyre stupid too

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

seriously i feel like part of me dies inside every time i act like theres two competing views on the matter of dinosaurs living alongside man 4000 years ago

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

find new and creative ways to 'accidentally' disconnect your caller right when you're about to get to the juicy part...

'Well it has some reference to... *click*'

'Funny you should ask that. There are... *click*'

Commander JimmyMod of TEAM COURAGE (JimmyMod), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link

can't you say "based on the questions you're asking me, i don't think our show will make you happy at all."

utterly bonkers, btw

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Can you tell them it's as scientifically accurate as your average Flintstones ep?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

is it possible to say something like "This show is just based on science. We don't get into religion at all." ? like make it sound like this is the least-offensive + most responsible "choice"?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Ask 'em where in the Bible it says that vegetables talk.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

burning bush, dude

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Trace, problem is that the kind of people who call about things like this exhibit are trying to revise/deny SCIENTIFIC FACT -- saying something is "based on science" would probably offend all of them!

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Foiled again.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

do u think caller actually had an interest in seeing a dinosaur puppet show, or was she just gaming you somehow?

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm having visions of creationist hit organizations with phone banks of people combing the newspapers for "dinosaur"

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

the thing is, none of these people actually mention religion - to them their creationist bullshit is a competing science, not something removed from it

xpost laurel otm

gff these are multiple callers who are mostly teachers at christian schools or parents from the wealthy suburbs of atlanta, i dont think this is a borat style prank

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

So where's their protest over A Night at the Museum?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

unfortunately i fear some of these people may also give a lot of money to the center

heres the description from our website-

“ROAR! I want to be a DINOSAUR!” sings Francine the cute little blue songbird. Join Francine and her eccentric Auntie Archaeopteryx on a trip back in time where you will come face to face with a T-Rex, Triceratops, Apatosaurs and many, many more awesome swinging, singing dinosaurs. Our stage is almost too small to hold the rollicking giant puppets and rocking songs. And in the end Francine learns a little secret about herself. ROAR! DINOSAURS GALORE!

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link

And in the end Francine learns a little secret about herself.

^^^ UH OH

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't realize creationists believed humans and dinosaurs lived side by side, I guess I just assumed they would deny the existence of dinosaurs altogether (and that skeletons/fossils were considered some sort of prop by the "Scientist" Conspiracy).

xpost oh man I want to see this show

drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

francine is a homo dino?

Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

oh jesus christ, THIS is the source of the controversey?

oh wait, the show has "educator's guides" and stuff.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I had this picture book as a kid about animals. On the pages with dinosaurs and the pages explaining how whales became water mammals, my dad drew big red x's on the page and wrote "EVOLUTION. NOT TRUE."

whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost no i don't mean like a gag, i mean like a "policy research and advocacy non-profit" kind of thing

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Dinosaurs Are Not The Only Reptile - that kind of secret?

Oh, the whole birds->dinosaurs thing. Yep, sounds like evolution to me. The whole "explain that it's based upon scientific consensus" seems to be the best way out.

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Nks, yeah. I remember being told that preserved mudslabs had been found with human and dino tracks side-by-side but that scientists were suppressing the evidence because it supported a Creation timetable. These people are really, totally nuts.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

swinging, singing dinosaurs

How can this show NOT be awesome?

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

i found a great website once that explained that how noah fit all dinosaur species onto the ark was by only allowing BABY dinosaurs on board

haha stence i already thought of the transgender metaphor

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Why the fuck did their god create these fucking retards? Man, if I had a gun...

(and then disconnect)

StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

when i was a kid my grandmother donated a video called 'man and dinosaurs walked together' to my elementary school

to their credit it was not shown

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link

At sunday school, St Judes, South Shields, I asked our vicar "What about the Dinosaurs" when he said about Adam and Eve being the first living things on the planet. "Oh, they were somewhere else" he said.

So, there it is. It's confirmed.

M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link

All I wanna know is - where are the giant saddles?

drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

when i was a kid my grandmother donated a video called 'man and dinosaurs walked together' to my elementary school

to their credit it was not shown

That shit could've been off the chain like her mac n cheese, tho!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Have you tried saying "If you like, I could connect you with my manager and s/he could answer your questions"?

Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Could be worse, tho; there's weird shit going on in Kenya where they don't want the national museum to even show hominid bones...

xp: yeah, i go with dan's answer. let your super come up with responses to these people.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link

unfortunately my boss went home early today so im alone here til 5

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Alternately, you could tell them that some shows will have a secret surprise ending where God smites Francine for her heathen ways and they'll have to attend multiple times to increase their chances of seeing it.

Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Why the fuck did their god create these fucking retards?

StanM is on the money. Shit like this is just too depressing.

Norman Phay (Pashmina), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

What about the dinosaurs?

Simply put, they lived concurrent with man down through the thousands of years of our existence, and they appear to have gone mostly extinct prior to our modern era. Remember that the word "dinosaur" is only about 160 years old. Legends of dangerous reptilian creatures (a.k.a. dragons) have been passed down to us from our ancestors across Europe, from China and the rest of Asia, all over the Americas (North, South & Central), and they're remembered in Africa too. Why should all of these legends/histories (spanning all inhabited continents, mind you!) be trivialized and discounted just to give credence to the temporary theory of evolution? It is important in science to separate the evidence from the interpretation. The evidence is that there have been these large dangerous reptilian creatures. We have bones, recorded history and footprints; we have strong evidence. The interpretation (or belief) that they all died off millions and millions of years ago is in dispute between creationists and evolutionists. And numerous stories in recorded human history of being killed by dragons/dinosaurs and of us banding together to kill them in return (among other important evidence) is clearly on our side ... as creation theory grows stronger each year.

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Can you route them thru to the voicemail instead of answering the phone?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Didn't the dinosaurs go extinct 65 million years ago?

There is good evidence that the Earth is only thousands of years old. In BOOKS, see Dr. Ackerman's It's a Young World After All. The "65 million years" is a recent mental invention. Evolution provides a mental hiding place from our powerful Creator. Evolution claims (theologically) that our God is weak or non-existent. Right? Think about what evolution claims about our origins. Dragons (per the previous FAQ answer) were seen and sometimes fought by our ancestors on all inhabited continents. Our ancestors were honest in recording sightings of large dangerous reptilian creatures. They lived concurrent with man. Humans saw dinosaurs. Sure, stories later became embellished, but the germ of truth that humans and dinosaurs (dragons) lived at the same time remains accurate. They lived in different places ... but at the same time - until the dinosaurs were mostly driven to extinction. (There are still a few living dinos out there, by the way.)

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Remember that the word "dinosaur" is only about 160 years old.

gosh, you know, he's right! someone get the OED on the phone!

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

tears

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

(in a good way)(not in a good way)

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

i've never seen anything like that before. like, the logic of creationism means that now there was a extra-biblical D&D dragonhunter phase of human history! awesome!

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

(There are still a few living dinos out there, by the way.)

Wait, they just say this and then move on?

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I love how matter-of-factly they say "Dragons (per the previous FAQ answer)".

See, I told you in the previous FAQ there were dragons, there is no way that cannot have convinced you!

jibe (jibe), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.linsdomain.com/totems/pictures/pegasus-1.jpg

whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

holy shit

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Monday, 4 December 2006 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I keep having to remind myself that all this massive face-on-Mars style self-delusion isn't just a random batshit conspiracy theory but is focused on preserving the specific belief that the events described in every book of the Bible are physical, material truth. I wonder if other cultures have as much trouble with the concepts of mythology and allegory as fundamentalist Christians do.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Fundamentalist anything usually creates problems.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

How could Noah's Ark have possibly held all of the species of big animals in the world!

The largest dragon (i.e. dinosaur) eggs that we've found to date are about the size of a football. One could fit, for example, a dozen brachiosaurus eggs in the trunk of a car, with room to spare! This also means that recently hatched dragons were not very large. Noah's mission was to preserve each kind of animal. You don't need to find the biggest of each kind. And you don't need each sub-divided species either. Did you know that most modern dog breeds are less than 100 years old? 2 healthy young mutts could preserve the genome of the entire "dog kind" of animals. The Bible uses the word "kind" for the different types of life forms. Horses and zebras can (and have) physically mated producing viable offspring; so have tigers and lions, indicating that they (according to creation theory) probably respectively diverged from the same original stock. Dogs and wolves (though considered quite different by humans today) probably originated from their same "kind" too. There are a few large animals (when fully grown) of course: giraffes, elephants, and T-rexes among them. But the average animal size is about sheep size, i.e. the 3-story Ark was plenty large enough to handle the variety of animal kinds plus lots of food for them. Speciation could descend again from original healthy "mutt" stock to start with. Thinking scientifically about this, it shows incredible variable design, huh?

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

so, same moral as _Footloose_ then?

Same plot as Footloose definitely. It was probably in all seriousness pitched as Footloose meets March of the Penguins.

Everyone knows that dancing saves. Parliament always preached that you have to shoot endangered species with your bop gun.

Aquaboogie would have been the perfect soundtrack to the big underwater synchronized swimming scene. Although "Lets Do I Again" in that scene was one of the few good bits of music in the whole thing.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Uh, "Lets Do It Again" being a Beach Boys thing, not the theme song to the Cosby/Poitier movie which might have also been an improvement.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

also, for more late friday lolz, check the imdb board for the movie.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

ha, more like "Crappy Feet"

latebloomer's ice rink of martyrdom (clonefeed), Saturday, 9 December 2006 05:34 (fourteen years ago) link

It was probably in all seriousness pitched as Footloose meets March of the Penguins.

So it's essential U&K viewing, then?

whoop de doodle (kenan), Saturday, 9 December 2006 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

March of the Penguins sucked though. I'm after more of a Microcosmos / Dirty Dancing fusion.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

"I've Had The Time Of My Life" packs so much more punch when your lifespan is a week.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Sunday, 10 December 2006 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2006/12/14/014.html

Ed (dali), Thursday, 14 December 2006 07:04 (fourteen years ago) link

An AP history in Kearney, N.J. started the school year with this:

Shortly after school began in September, the teacher told his sixth-period students at Kearny High School that evolution and the Big Bang were not scientific, that dinosaurs were aboard Noah’s ark, and that only Christians had a place in heaven, according to audio recordings made by a student whose family is now considering a lawsuit claiming Mr. Paszkiewicz broke the church-state boundary.

“If you reject his gift of salvation, then you know where you belong,µ Mr. Paszkiewicz was recorded saying of Jesus. “He did everything in his power to make sure that you could go to heaven, so much so that he took your sins on his own body, suffered your pains for you, and he’s saying, ‘Please, accept me, believe.’ If you reject that, you belong in hell.µ


Of course, the kid who recorded him is now being attacked, even receiving a death threat.

The article touches on something else:

Greice Coelho, who took Mr. Paszkiewicz’s class and is a member of his youth group, said in a letter to The Observer, the local weekly newspaper, that Matthew was “ignoring the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which gives every citizen the freedom of religion.µ Some anonymous posters on the town's electronic bulletin board, Kearnyontheweb.com, called for Matthew's suspension.

which is something that's been popping up more & more in fundie political circles, that "freedom of religion" translates to "freedom to annoy your class/office-mates with tone-deaf evangelizing."

So it adds another bit to the rightwinger perception of persecution( and resulting self-righteousness), 'coz the evil secular libruls are taking away their freedoms, etc.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Shortly after school began in September, the teacher told his sixth-period students at Kearny High School that evolution and the Big Bang were not scientific, that dinosaurs were aboard Noah’s ark, and that only Christians had a place in heaven

this was par for the course at my high school...my biology teacher flat-out said he didn't believe in evolution and wasn't going to teach it.

latebloomer: glutton for PUNishment (clonefeed), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link

nobody gave a shit

latebloomer: glutton for PUNishment (clonefeed), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Did the Dinosaurs show get picketed, or has it happened yet?

Also, what better way to settle the debate than with a friendly board game?

http://www.livingwaters.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/boardgame_opened.jpg

Evangelistic, educational, entertaining.

At last, a board game that reveals the insanity of perhaps the greatest hoax of our times -- the unscientific "theory of evolution."

"Intelligent Design vs Evolution" is unique in that the playing pieces are small rubber brains and each team plays for "brain" cards. Each player uses his or her brains to get more brains, and the team with the most brains wins. It has been designed to make people think . . . and that's exactly what it does.

"Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron are doing much more than revealing the bankruptcy of molecules-to-man evolution. They have a greater purpose: proclaiming biblical authority and reaching the lost with the precious gospel message. Enjoy this wonderful family game as you also become better equipped to defend our precious Christian faith." -- Ken Ham, President, Answers in Genesis.

"unscientific"?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 29 December 2006 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link

and for only $30!

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 29 December 2006 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Should compete for hearts instead of brains, obv.

Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 29 December 2006 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

dawkins board game plz

Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Friday, 29 December 2006 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

checking here, http://www.educationallearninggames.com/

we get plenty of candidates. I'm wondering how well this one would go over with the same crowd:

http://www.educationallearninggames.com/images/anatomix-game.jpg

This new game is sure to become a family favorite! Learn about your body and have fun at the same time! Get ready, flick the spinner, and grab your piece! The first player to build their body wins. You can choose between nerves, skeleton, organs, and muscles. Some of the body pieces may even have to be swapped or donated to the body bank-just like in real life!

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 29 December 2006 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Get ready, flick the spinner, and grab your piece!
ROFFLE!

mikebee (bizzle), Friday, 29 December 2006 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801

Grand Canyon guides aren't allowed to say how old the monument is, because that would upset creationist retards.

StanM (StanM), Saturday, 30 December 2006 12:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I really do have healthy distaste foe christianz

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Saturday, 30 December 2006 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"fuck a creationist"

taken as a recommendation, it does narrow one's options of fuckatableness rather drastically :(

tiit (t**t), Saturday, 30 December 2006 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

You clearly haven't read upthread.

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Saturday, 30 December 2006 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 31 December 2006 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

the playing pieces are small rubber brains and each team plays for "brain" cards. Each player uses his or her brains to get more brains, and the team with the most brains wins.

So the player uses their brain to respond to environmental stimuli in the form of questions and develops a bigger and better brain as a result? Sounds a bit like that scientific theory I can't quite recall right now.

Maaarghk C (Maaarghk C), Sunday, 31 December 2006 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link

personally i think this literalist creationism is more of a danger to christianity than straight up atheist evolution.

how many kids raised in a strict literalist tradition with little coverage in high school of the factual, experimentally-proven aspects of evolution go to college and have their minds blown?

i knew several. once you have the educational background to read about or even reproduce some of the science proving selection and mutation and so on, it's a little impossible to argue against. throw in some bad life experiences ("why would a love God do this to me?"), some hypocrisy ("but that guy told me hot man sex was evil!"), etc etc and whallah, it's really easy to lose faith. it happened to several christian friends i had as a kid.

dawkins's brood and the literalist christians pit creation as the full on opposite of evolution. accept one or the other.

in that game, dawkins wins.

unfortunately for his religious movement, literalist creationism will probably go away except for fringe groups. more and more future christians will get the mutation.

to quote one of our 4th century church fathers, St. Augustine:

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.

i know it's infuriating that our own president could legislate his religious beliefs, but given who we're talking about, is it shocking?
m.

msp (msp), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Personally, I at first found organised christianity to be....stupid for many reasons, but these are the main ones:
There are like 24 commandments, but the first ten are OBVIOUSLY more important, because...BECAUSE!!!
There's no devli in the bible, no 'fall,' barely anything similar to hell.
The 4 gospels are vastly different in parts, but they're all true and all the word of god, just like all kinds of letters Jesus' friends wrote each other.
There's nothing in the book that says there are no other Gods, just that the Jews weren't allowed to worship them.
The book of revelations was written by a man whom, as I recall, was exiled to an island alone for 20 years. If you DON'T see flying scorpions with lions teeth and human faces after 20 years alone you're fucked up.
After the new covenant those 'ten' commandments are irrelevant. There are 2. But you should follow those other 'ten' anyway.....BECAUSE!

So for years I was a kind of outside-the-box- christian.
Then I realised many fundamental beleifs of xhristianity that AREN'T contradicted in other parts of the book(why is Song of Solomon in there? it's a porno!) contradicted mine to a great deal.
So I quit it.
For the longest time I was pro christianity, but not for me.

Then I figured out that the majority of the book doesn't sit well with me as a basis of one's life. On top of that, it's hard for me to meet a christian without their beliefs interfering with me conversing comfortably(alot of my friends are athiests, gay, Japanese and so religious but not christian). Well, one of us ends up uncomfortable.

There are exceptions to that last bit.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
meanwhile, down in Texas...

A Republican member of the Texas House wants to ban the teaching of evolution, claiming that the Big Bang Theory is actually from the Pharisee Religion, and they really shouldn't be teaching religion in school.

Oh yeah, and Einstein and Carl Sagan were Kabbalists. Really.

"You ought to teach creation as well as the fact of evolution," Mr. Chisum said, though he said "all of those kinds of sciences have holes in them. ... But I'm not about teaching religion in schools."

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah, and the webite they cite:

http://fixedearth.com/

The non-moving Earth

& anti-evolution web page of

The Fair Education Foundation, Inc.

Exposing the False Science Idol of Evolutionism,
and Proving the Truthfulness of the Bible from Creation to Heaven...

- since 1973 -

Marshall Hall, Pres.

***

EXTRA! EXTRA!

Read all about the Copernican and Darwinian Myths

(and their many ramifications going all the way to Kabbala-based Big Bangism!)

IN OVER NINETY LINKS BELOW....

Attacking Darwin is pretty standard for these people, but going after Copernicus is a new one. I do hope they target the 2nd law of thermodynamics next.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

The layout and writing style of that page reminds me of a Victorian music hall poster.

Chap (chap), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

You'd think that'd make it cooler, though....

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

When I am a member of the Texas House I am going to propose that we only teach Time Cube.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

(Marshall Hall, BS. MA + 2 years:...Advanced International Studies Ph.D. Program)

ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

What would that BS stand for?

ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

The supporting quotes for the book are terrific.

'Yvonne Anderson, High School Sophomore: "I have read the book which has totally and without a doubt disproved the theory of evolution for me."'

Gosh, you'd think it would be more well known.

ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I like that her response seems extremely sarcastic.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

meanwhile, down in Kansas...

oh wait! they did good. it's not all bad news here, people. sometimes the way people write about these things makes it seem like there's this inexorable encroaching tide of ignorance sweeping all in its path before it, but creationists have actually been handed a string of defeats over the past year.

Kansas education board repeals science guidelines questioning evolution

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Good. good for them. Cute that the article actually mentions the Daily Show, too.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

fun with textbook disclaimer stickers

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2007 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i really hate the wording on the cobb county textbooks - everything in ANY textbook should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered, but these medieval book-burners are just using it as an acceptable stand-in for 'aint true!!!'

and what (ooo), Monday, 19 February 2007 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link

It's just a theory! it's not proven!

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2007 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess it does expose the fact that these idiots think theres stuff (LIKE BIBLES LOL) that shouldnt ever be approached with an open mind or critically considered

and what (ooo), Monday, 19 February 2007 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Looking a bit more into the Texas State Rep who submitted that loony geocentric/creationist legislation. Turns out his campaign manager is actually married to the fixedearth guy. Oh, and here's the original memo submitted, the one that the State Rep didn't actually read before passing it on. The fun bits start about the 2nd paragraph, and you can always tell serious political writing when it involved italics, in bold, underlining, and exclamation marks.

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2007 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

And what happens when the fixedearth guys gets into an argument with the creationist folks over a book review. It contains such lines as:

Christian Creationism is controlled by those who are doctrinally wedded to Zionist Dispensational goals. This marriage has blinded the Creationist leadership to the fact that both the Zionist and the Dispensational concepts come from that same 13th century anti-Christ Kabbalist source as did Relativism, Big Bangism, and the Expanding Universe concepts. Add it up!

and accompanying abuses of html.

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2007 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Bumper sticker wanted: "Honk if you're a Big Bangist too"

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 07:17 (fourteen years ago) link

thankyou for introducing me to fixedearth.com. bleh.

Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 07:52 (fourteen years ago) link


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