fuck a creationist

'Well it has some reference to... *click*'

'Funny you should ask that. There are... *click*'

utterly bonkers, btw

xpost laurel otm

gff these are multiple callers who are mostly teachers at christian schools or parents from the wealthy suburbs of atlanta, i dont think this is a borat style prank

heres the description from our website-

“ROAR! I want to be a DINOSAUR!” sings Francine the cute little blue songbird. Join Francine and her eccentric Auntie Archaeopteryx on a trip back in time where you will come face to face with a T-Rex, Triceratops, Apatosaurs and many, many more awesome swinging, singing dinosaurs. Our stage is almost too small to hold the rollicking giant puppets and rocking songs. And in the end Francine learns a little secret about herself. ROAR! DINOSAURS GALORE!

^^^ UH OH

xpost oh man I want to see this show

oh wait, the show has "educator's guides" and stuff.

Oh, the whole birds->dinosaurs thing. Yep, sounds like evolution to me. The whole "explain that it's based upon scientific consensus" seems to be the best way out.

How can this show NOT be awesome?

haha stence i already thought of the transgender metaphor

(and then disconnect)

to their credit it was not shown

So, there it is. It's confirmed.

to their credit it was not shown

That shit could've been off the chain like her mac n cheese, tho!

xp: yeah, i go with dan's answer. let your super come up with responses to these people.

StanM is on the money. Shit like this is just too depressing.

Simply put, they lived concurrent with man down through the thousands of years of our existence, and they appear to have gone mostly extinct prior to our modern era. Remember that the word "dinosaur" is only about 160 years old. Legends of dangerous reptilian creatures (a.k.a. dragons) have been passed down to us from our ancestors across Europe, from China and the rest of Asia, all over the Americas (North, South & Central), and they're remembered in Africa too. Why should all of these legends/histories (spanning all inhabited continents, mind you!) be trivialized and discounted just to give credence to the temporary theory of evolution? It is important in science to separate the evidence from the interpretation. The evidence is that there have been these large dangerous reptilian creatures. We have bones, recorded history and footprints; we have strong evidence. The interpretation (or belief) that they all died off millions and millions of years ago is in dispute between creationists and evolutionists. And numerous stories in recorded human history of being killed by dragons/dinosaurs and of us banding together to kill them in return (among other important evidence) is clearly on our side ... as creation theory grows stronger each year.

There is good evidence that the Earth is only thousands of years old. In BOOKS, see Dr. Ackerman's It's a Young World After All. The "65 million years" is a recent mental invention. Evolution provides a mental hiding place from our powerful Creator. Evolution claims (theologically) that our God is weak or non-existent. Right? Think about what evolution claims about our origins. Dragons (per the previous FAQ answer) were seen and sometimes fought by our ancestors on all inhabited continents. Our ancestors were honest in recording sightings of large dangerous reptilian creatures. They lived concurrent with man. Humans saw dinosaurs. Sure, stories later became embellished, but the germ of truth that humans and dinosaurs (dragons) lived at the same time remains accurate. They lived in different places ... but at the same time - until the dinosaurs were mostly driven to extinction. (There are still a few living dinos out there, by the way.)

gosh, you know, he's right! someone get the OED on the phone!

Wait, they just say this and then move on?

See, I told you in the previous FAQ there were dragons, there is no way that cannot have convinced you!

The largest dragon (i.e. dinosaur) eggs that we've found to date are about the size of a football. One could fit, for example, a dozen brachiosaurus eggs in the trunk of a car, with room to spare! This also means that recently hatched dragons were not very large. Noah's mission was to preserve each kind of animal. You don't need to find the biggest of each kind. And you don't need each sub-divided species either. Did you know that most modern dog breeds are less than 100 years old? 2 healthy young mutts could preserve the genome of the entire "dog kind" of animals. The Bible uses the word "kind" for the different types of life forms. Horses and zebras can (and have) physically mated producing viable offspring; so have tigers and lions, indicating that they (according to creation theory) probably respectively diverged from the same original stock. Dogs and wolves (though considered quite different by humans today) probably originated from their same "kind" too. There are a few large animals (when fully grown) of course: giraffes, elephants, and T-rexes among them. But the average animal size is about sheep size, i.e. the 3-story Ark was plenty large enough to handle the variety of animal kinds plus lots of food for them. Speciation could descend again from original healthy "mutt" stock to start with. Thinking scientifically about this, it shows incredible variable design, huh?

Same plot as Footloose definitely. It was probably in all seriousness pitched as Footloose meets March of the Penguins.

Everyone knows that dancing saves. Parliament always preached that you have to shoot endangered species with your bop gun.

Aquaboogie would have been the perfect soundtrack to the big underwater synchronized swimming scene. Although "Lets Do I Again" in that scene was one of the few good bits of music in the whole thing.

So it's essential U&K viewing, then?

Shortly after school began in September, the teacher told his sixth-period students at Kearny High School that evolution and the Big Bang were not scientific, that dinosaurs were aboard Noah’s ark, and that only Christians had a place in heaven, according to audio recordings made by a student whose family is now considering a lawsuit claiming Mr. Paszkiewicz broke the church-state boundary.

“If you reject his gift of salvation, then you know where you belong,µ Mr. Paszkiewicz was recorded saying of Jesus. “He did everything in his power to make sure that you could go to heaven, so much so that he took your sins on his own body, suffered your pains for you, and he’s saying, ‘Please, accept me, believe.’ If you reject that, you belong in hell.µ

Of course, the kid who recorded him is now being attacked, even receiving a death threat.

The article touches on something else:

Greice Coelho, who took Mr. Paszkiewicz’s class and is a member of his youth group, said in a letter to The Observer, the local weekly newspaper, that Matthew was “ignoring the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which gives every citizen the freedom of religion.µ Some anonymous posters on the town's electronic bulletin board, Kearnyontheweb.com, called for Matthew's suspension.

which is something that's been popping up more & more in fundie political circles, that "freedom of religion" translates to "freedom to annoy your class/office-mates with tone-deaf evangelizing."

So it adds another bit to the rightwinger perception of persecution( and resulting self-righteousness), 'coz the evil secular libruls are taking away their freedoms, etc.

this was par for the course at my high school...my biology teacher flat-out said he didn't believe in evolution and wasn't going to teach it.

Also, what better way to settle the debate than with a friendly board game?

http://www.livingwaters.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/boardgame_opened.jpg

Evangelistic, educational, entertaining.

At last, a board game that reveals the insanity of perhaps the greatest hoax of our times -- the unscientific "theory of evolution."

"Intelligent Design vs Evolution" is unique in that the playing pieces are small rubber brains and each team plays for "brain" cards. Each player uses his or her brains to get more brains, and the team with the most brains wins. It has been designed to make people think . . . and that's exactly what it does.

"Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron are doing much more than revealing the bankruptcy of molecules-to-man evolution. They have a greater purpose: proclaiming biblical authority and reaching the lost with the precious gospel message. Enjoy this wonderful family game as you also become better equipped to defend our precious Christian faith." -- Ken Ham, President, Answers in Genesis.

"unscientific"?

we get plenty of candidates. I'm wondering how well this one would go over with the same crowd:

http://www.educationallearninggames.com/images/anatomix-game.jpg

This new game is sure to become a family favorite! Learn about your body and have fun at the same time! Get ready, flick the spinner, and grab your piece! The first player to build their body wins. You can choose between nerves, skeleton, organs, and muscles. Some of the body pieces may even have to be swapped or donated to the body bank-just like in real life!

Grand Canyon guides aren't allowed to say how old the monument is, because that would upset creationist retards.

taken as a recommendation, it does narrow one's options of fuckatableness rather drastically :(

So the player uses their brain to respond to environmental stimuli in the form of questions and develops a bigger and better brain as a result? Sounds a bit like that scientific theory I can't quite recall right now.

how many kids raised in a strict literalist tradition with little coverage in high school of the factual, experimentally-proven aspects of evolution go to college and have their minds blown?

i knew several. once you have the educational background to read about or even reproduce some of the science proving selection and mutation and so on, it's a little impossible to argue against. throw in some bad life experiences ("why would a love God do this to me?"), some hypocrisy ("but that guy told me hot man sex was evil!"), etc etc and whallah, it's really easy to lose faith. it happened to several christian friends i had as a kid.

dawkins's brood and the literalist christians pit creation as the full on opposite of evolution. accept one or the other.

in that game, dawkins wins.

unfortunately for his religious movement, literalist creationism will probably go away except for fringe groups. more and more future christians will get the mutation.

to quote one of our 4th century church fathers, St. Augustine:

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.

i know it's infuriating that our own president could legislate his religious beliefs, but given who we're talking about, is it shocking?
m.

So for years I was a kind of outside-the-box- christian.
Then I realised many fundamental beleifs of xhristianity that AREN'T contradicted in other parts of the book(why is Song of Solomon in there? it's a porno!) contradicted mine to a great deal.
So I quit it.
For the longest time I was pro christianity, but not for me.

Then I figured out that the majority of the book doesn't sit well with me as a basis of one's life. On top of that, it's hard for me to meet a christian without their beliefs interfering with me conversing comfortably(alot of my friends are athiests, gay, Japanese and so religious but not christian). Well, one of us ends up uncomfortable.

There are exceptions to that last bit.

A Republican member of the Texas House wants to ban the teaching of evolution, claiming that the Big Bang Theory is actually from the Pharisee Religion, and they really shouldn't be teaching religion in school.

Oh yeah, and Einstein and Carl Sagan were Kabbalists. Really.

"You ought to teach creation as well as the fact of evolution," Mr. Chisum said, though he said "all of those kinds of sciences have holes in them. ... But I'm not about teaching religion in schools."

http://fixedearth.com/

The non-moving Earth

& anti-evolution web page of

The Fair Education Foundation, Inc.

Exposing the False Science Idol of Evolutionism,
and Proving the Truthfulness of the Bible from Creation to Heaven...

- since 1973 -

Marshall Hall, Pres.

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EXTRA! EXTRA!

Read all about the Copernican and Darwinian Myths

(and their many ramifications going all the way to Kabbala-based Big Bangism!)

IN OVER NINETY LINKS BELOW....

Attacking Darwin is pretty standard for these people, but going after Copernicus is a new one. I do hope they target the 2nd law of thermodynamics next.

'Yvonne Anderson, High School Sophomore: "I have read the book which has totally and without a doubt disproved the theory of evolution for me."'

Gosh, you'd think it would be more well known.

oh wait! they did good. it's not all bad news here, people. sometimes the way people write about these things makes it seem like there's this inexorable encroaching tide of ignorance sweeping all in its path before it, but creationists have actually been handed a string of defeats over the past year.

Kansas education board repeals science guidelines questioning evolution

Christian Creationism is controlled by those who are doctrinally wedded to Zionist Dispensational goals. This marriage has blinded the Creationist leadership to the fact that both the Zionist and the Dispensational concepts come from that same 13th century anti-Christ Kabbalist source as did Relativism, Big Bangism, and the Expanding Universe concepts. Add it up!

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