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Choose from

1. Sir Paul McCartney
2. (Stephen) Morrissey
3. Sir David Attenborough.

Now, no spoiling yr papers now!

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 4 December 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Has to be #2, considering we're a nation of whining racist homos.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 4 December 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Man like Penman, he OTM.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 December 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Has to be #2, considering we're a nation of whining racist homos.

"They say he never defended himself - why should he? If he was racist, the News of the World would have exposed him, never mind the fucking Bizzare magazine."

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Monday, 4 December 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

None of those guys are American, what kind of shit are you trying to pull?

Anyway, my short list is James Brown, Jim Brown, and Clint Eastwood.

― austin!@#$ (austin), Monday, 4 December 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

BOONIE, DAME EDNA AND PAULINE HANSON

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Monday, 4 December 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Penman's response is as wearily predictable as the enterprise itself is patronising and pointless, but Zina Bendybus-Wimoweh is a name worthy of Pynchon.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 4 December 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

this bit of penman is interesting:

"Although a stray comment from Laura Levene (I think, I had the sound half down by this exasperated point) was the only indication here that maybe they were a bit unsettled at TCS by JUST how conservative their viewers choice was – the top 3 “living” icons all white, all male, all middle aged or older. Which means that either there is an even bigger disjunction between who they WISH was watching the show and the age of the people who really ARE; or their supposedly trendy Observer Music Monthly-reading cocktail-drinking "demographic" are as hidebound and blinkered as some old Punch-reading Home Counties ex-Colonial from the 1920s..."

it begs the question who *is* pleased with current bbc culture programming? apparently not the people who keep tuning in, but also evidently not the people the bbc want to tune in. you end up feeling, well, why not give the audience what it wants instead of stupid version of same?

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I quite like the Culture Show, usually, but I had to turn off their 'debate' on the three finalists with Stuart Maconie, Bill Oddie, and Martin Freeman. Top tip for everyone: Bill Oddie is mental and to be avoided unless you want someone to talk about badgers.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

D Attenborough > Moz and Mac. He is far more consistent (in quality terms) than the other two.

Obviously the whole exercise is absurd.

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

attenbro is just the voiceover guy these days right?

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

who is stephen morrissey? is that the same as morrissey? disgusting.

i like sir david attenborough a lot.

i think mccartney is loathsome.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

iconoclastic

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

i vote for paris hilton, britney spears and lindsay lohan, anyway.

i agree with penman.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link

BBC art isn't sooooo bad, it's just all been ghettoised onto BBC4. The Culture Show is usually pretty good as well. The poll is like like all polls - it's always the common denominator that will rise to the top, leaving all the interesting stuff languishing. This is common to all of them (I remember an ILM top 100 music poll that ended up looking like something out of Q mag) and I don't think this shortlist says anything too insightful about the viewers.

All the mozheads will pile in and vote for Morrissey, they'll try to get a sound bite out of him, and he will chase the BBC off his land, brandishing a massive a big gun.

― Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Somewhere there is some WANKER with a complete set of MOJO and 'Q' magazines - who has complete DVD sets of all his favourite COMEDIES (he can 'do' the Ricky Gervais dance from The Office) and he has a mate who got him tickets for that recent Noel Gallagher acoustic set and it was "blindin', yeah, he's still got it, yuh," and HE BLOCK VOTED here, didn’t he?

wow so lazy!!

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

bbc4 is sort of ok but... impotent. i'm not even that interested in subsidized art tbh. on the other hand, paris hilton ain't shit.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

a friend of mine had a homemade "what would paris do?" t-shirt, like, before the sex tape and everything. i'm so proud of her, retrospectively.

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I watched five minutes of the Culture Show the other week. An item about Sparklehorse using Blake poems was introduced with words along the lines of, "You wouldn't expect an American singer-songwriter to be praising an eighteenth-century English poet: we investigate this bizarre union..." Yeah, it's not as if, after Poe, Blake isn't the poet that half-assed 'literary' rock fucks always name! Cut to old Linkous strumming away, dreary as fuck, I wander through each chartered street... That was enough Culture Show for me.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh wait, reading the Penman thing reminded me of the handbag piece. Interestingly, I too wondered how the Culture Show had gone from doing pieces about Terry Riley to pieces about fucking handbags.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

what? What do Morrissey, Paul MacCartney and David Attenborough have in common, anyway? (Apart from all being, when you get down to it, part of a comfort-inducing past rather than any unpredictable or frightening snip.

Umm, it's not their fault they're in this, right?

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

On the basis of his performance in NCIS (which you all should be really be watching of a Saturday evening) I'd vote for David McCallum.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

(okay, that sparklehorse thing was shit) but the piece on that Tower of John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band was good, I thought. Even if the analysis was a bit poo. And the fans were creepy. And the artist was annoying. Oh, forget it, it was all shit.

Lauren Laverne may be prejudicing my opinion here somewhat.

― Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

In the "it would be rubbish if there wasn't LL to look at" sense.

― Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

On the basis of his performance in NCIS (which you all should be really be watching of a Saturday evening) I'd vote for David McCallum.

I wouldn't go as far as voting, but I certainly would give an honourable mention.

Also, are you trolling us with that statement?

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Monday, 4 December 2006 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

NCIS is awesome.

― milo (milo), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 02:45 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd vote for Penman.

― colin0Hara (colin_o_hara), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I still think that short list is awesome in a "That's It?" kind of way.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link

IF I hadn't taken the pledge about parody threads, I'd have started a

"The Nation's Greatest Inanimate Object : Shortlist" thread..

1) The Angel of the North
2) The River Trent
3) Birmingham.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 08:39 (seventeen years ago) link

No love for the M62, grout?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 08:43 (seventeen years ago) link

4) (Stephen) Morrissey

(xpost)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link

ts: no parody pledge vs no list pledge

― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

this is a thread about a list, not a list thread.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link

What happens if any of the three nominees die before the poll result is announced?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link

ringo v. martin rossiter play-offs

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

What happens if any of the three nominees die before the poll result is announced?

Nation mourns, poll conveniently shelved (which would be a result given that the whole thing is a bit embarrassing).

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Nation mourns a bit, unless it's Morrissey, in which case a part of the nation mourns incredibly.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

A very small part of the nation (remember, "This Charming Man" only got to #25 first time out; What The Public Wanted was Billy Joel, the Flying Pickets and Roland Rat Superstar.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Studs Terkel

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Phew. Attenborough wins!

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 17 December 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

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