"If You Lived Here You'd Be Cool By Now" - Jersey City is official, I guess

http://nymag.com/news/features/25014/index.html

we should send them toxic fill dirt in exchange, it's only fair.

1) Somewhere in the united states other than the new york metropolitan area

2) Somewhere in north america other than the new york metropolitan area

3) anywhere

4) shut up and fuck you

I don't think many people here are under the illusion that JC is the "next Williamsburg" or something though, it's just a decent, affordable New York(esque) place to live.

Actually, there is.

1) The PATH
2) The PATH
3) The PATH
4) Taxis will not take you there

9th Street Station is closed on the 1st and 3rd Sunday of each month from 11:59 PM Sunday until 5:00 AM. Monday for thorough station cleaning.

Christopher Street Station is closed on the 2nd and 4th Sunday of each month from 11:59 PM Sunday until 5:00 AM for thorough station cleaning.

If a month has a 5th Sunday, neither station is closed for cleaning. No station cleaning is done on holidays.

At the rent we pay it's really a fine place to live - it's not all fratted out like Hoboken, there are good places to eat, a few small shops worth checking out, a nice Indian district (with much better food than that block in the East Village), a couple of nice small parks, the waterfront, decent tea and coffee places, etc. It's not Bushwick - it doesn't have any of that "the scene has moved here" feeling, but if we had a couple of music venues (rumors that we're getting them), a good bookstore (also one possibly coming) and a good record store that was actually open normal hours, I'd probably go to the city a lot less.

big diff is that all those places you mention are UBERsuburban, JC is most definitely urban, and MUCH closer to the metropolis in orbits

nor do i want JC to become a hoboken clone. let the fratboy/abercrombie-and-fitch/let's-listen-to-dave-matthews-'bro crowd fuck up some other Gold Coast town -- like Guttenberg, or something.

BTW, a lot of Manhattan flat sucks now.

I'm quite aware that people move to New York to say they live in New York, Ally, and if those people stay away, it's fine with me. It's just funny the kind of assumptions people make about the Hudson River as an automatic cultural divider. People are just as often as not here because they work in New York and/or used to live there.

really, NJers get so much unnecessary shit from NYers (or folks who moved to NYC from wherever) that that is why we're always defensive. not to mention that many of us NJers feel like NYers are getting ripped off for the "privilege" of living on their overpriced (and ofttimes overrated) little islands.

bring it up with Port Authority. (the excuse the cabbies always give me is the cost/hassle of dealing with the holland/lincoln tunnels.)

El Negro closed. It's apparently now called The Star Bar and it's all gussied up. Have not been there.

I have a feeling PATH will eventually increase service. They'd better, the fuckers.

Not at all! I mean, NYCers' lack of interest in Jersey City is at least neutral, compared to NYCers' much more dismissive lack of interest in, like, 98% of the rest of the country. I mean, I dunno, I haven't been here that many years -- do you seriously get shit from people about it? I can kinda imagine this, I guess: I got condescended to a few months back for living on the Upper West Side, so anything's possible. But my sense is still that most people would just be like "oh, you live in Jersey City. Do you like it?"

many of us NJers feel like NYers are getting ripped off

Plus this is exactly the kind of "we pity you" tactic that gets whispered in one's ear by the chip on one's shoulder!!!

I'd as soon move to Jersey City as anywhere else in the area -- I'm just afraid everyone would be walking around there 24 hours a day grumbling about this. It'd be like living inside Rodney Dangerfield.

(*though north jersey is also a rip-off not only in comparison to the rest of the country, but also in comparison to the rest of NJ.)

I grew up hoping for the New York my parents always told me about - the New York of eccentrics and over psychoanalyzed "intellectuals" and wannabe actors and writers high on their starving artist fantasies - I mean all that's still there too but it's kind of depressing the way most of the "hip" neighborhoods now are the ones with the right brunch places and the "unhip" neighborhoods are nothing but big box retail and panini cafes. That's the NYMag version of things anyway.

I only hear the "Chicago is sooo provincial" line rarely, but it does make me want to kill.

Caller: "I live in Brooklyn, and I have a golden retriever, and I have to say I think Brooklyn is the best place in the U.S. to live with a dog. I live right by ____ park and..."

Brian Lehrer: "Wait a minute wait a minute. Are you honestly trying to tell me that of all the places in the U.S., BROOKLYN is the best place to have a dog?"

Caller: "No, really. I know a lot of people think it's better to live in rural areas with dogs, but it's really dangerous and you can't just let your dog roam free because it can go onto some farmer's land and then the farmer is allowed to shoot it."

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