movies where the villains are right.

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― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

lol movies about the nazis/notorious serial killers amirite?

― ILX COMEDIAN (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

101 Dalmatians

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

hitchcock passim

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Memento

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The Last Samurai:

A new, reasonably democratic (at least, not feudal) government, performs the historical miracle of modernizing their nation overnight. While remnants of the old heirarchal and violent order mutter on about honor, the spirit, chivarly, and other oppressive bullshit, ordinary men, armed with revolutionary new technologies, throw off their centuries-old chains and gun their betters down.

for some reason, tom cruise is involved.

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Not a movie, and this is HEUG speculation, but I'm gonna get my oar in early and say "L O S T". Wait and see.

― Sir teh_kit of St.Gregory (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

haha Fast Food Nation

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Matrix

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

yes!

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

How so?

― Sir teh_kit of St.Gregory (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

machines be all about the logic

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

john ford to thread

― a_p (a_p), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

evil oppressive simulated reality really actually better than life on a smoking ash heap.

plus the movies were implicitly leninist/terrorist: knowing "the truth" that rips away the veil of the unreal world gives u carte blanche to kill and destroy since everyone around you is an unreal sleeping drone anyway. i hate these movies!!

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Starship Troopers (yay bugs)

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Bevery Hills Cop (villain = Serge)

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, Starship Troopers OTM

Also, Total Recall? If the whole movie was indeed a Recall induced fantasy, then the guys that tried to bring him back ("TAKE THIS PILL LOL") were just trying to help him out.

― Sir teh_kit of St.Gregory (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

your forgetting something: three boobs

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Thursday, 30 November 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

http://warehouse.carlh.com/article_079/total_recall_18.jpg

― a giant mechanical ant (a giant mechanical ant), Thursday, 30 November 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

2001: A Space Odyssey.

Imagine you screw up at work and your co-workers try to kill you. What would you do? Kill them in their sleep amirite?

― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 30 November 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

star wars

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"clean, shaven"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"red road"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't know why i'm putting these movie titles in quotes

i also don't know why i'm spoiling them for you all!

i also have no idea what jel means by saying star wars??

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe he's on some I'm your father Luke shit.

― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus Christ, I really DO look like the count.

― drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Dark City

― drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I was just being silly really.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Are they right in Dark City or is it that they just have the cooler abilities?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The Third Man.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

All the Alien movies.

― My Mind is Opener than Yours (Modal Fugue), Thursday, 30 November 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009F43W2.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 30 November 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

spiderman 2

― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Thursday, 30 November 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

roger & me

― a.b. (abanana), Thursday, 30 November 2006 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Blade Runner

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 30 November 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Probably lots of teen comedies where the "villains" are actually for the most part well-intentioned authority figures like teachers, principals, and/or parents.

― o. nate (o. nate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

like red dawn?

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Thursday, 30 November 2006 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I was thinking more like "Beavis & Butthead Do America".

― o. nate (o. nate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Jurassic Park

― latebloomer (clonefeed), Friday, 1 December 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

'inside man'

― Proxy Fule (Proxy Fule), Friday, 1 December 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The Time Machine remake. Jeremy Irons as the head morlock (looking like a member of Dimmu Borgir) offers Guy Pearce his time machine so he can go back, but Pearce gets all capatian-save-an-Eloi and "fights back". what a shitty movie.

― latebloomer (clonefeed), Friday, 1 December 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Matrix is right, humans are rapidly growing parasites (in the bigger picture of things)

― Ste (fuzzy), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus christ superstar! (only it's not like the one of judas is clearly right and jesus is clearly wrong, it's secular humanism v. christianity sort of)

― Maria Emily (Maria), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

okay seriously, in the context of the Matrix films, do you people not understand that the MACHINES are actually the parasites?

― TOM. BOT. (trm), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh right, When In Rome.

TRON!!! The MCP is TOTALLY OTM

― TOM. BOT. (trm), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't get the Dark City mention but this:

Probably lots of teen comedies where the "villains" are actually for the most part well-intentioned authority figures like teachers, principals, and/or parents.

is OTM. Not that I don't still enjoy them but this is always what I need to suspend when watching these movies now, e.g. Ferris Bueller (Just go to class and wait for the weekend, you jackass. Put 10% of the thought and effort you put into skipping class into studying and you'll get into the Ivy League. The principal is overzealous and takes petty truancy too personaly but is ultimately right.), School of Rock (Sarah Silverman's character is probably the most sensible), Accepted (I'm all for liberalizing higher education but ...). Of course, I think/hope that part of the point of these kinds of movies is that the heroes are doing the wrong thing but still pull off what people fantasize about doing.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

personally

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I think I was confusing Dark City with some other movie with Keifer Sutherland in it. Not real sure what though.

― drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Tombot, re Matrix you're probably right - but robots are so cool

― Ste (fuzzy), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

BTW on the subject of Dark City and the Matrix and such - how about I, ROBOT? same shit, but Will Smith!

― TOM. BOT. (trm), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

oh and bridget moynahan too who is pretty terrible with the acting but actually cuter/hotter than Carrie Moss or Jennifer "is that a unibrow" Connelly

― TOM. BOT. (trm), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Reality Bites

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 2 December 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Swimming With Sharks

― Name Not Found (rogermexico), Saturday, 2 December 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I was tempted to mention Reality Bites too.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Saturday, 2 December 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Marie Antoinette

vive le revolution

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 December 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Ghostbusters

Yes, the EPA guy is a prick, but they ARE wearing unlicensed particle accelerators on their backs.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonster), Saturday, 2 December 2006 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought the baddy was the goth chick on top of that building with the Dark Side zapping skills.

― Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Saturday, 2 December 2006 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

passolini's "salo"

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 2 December 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The last 2 seasons of "24"--like, seriously, you're not allowed to torture someone b/c they're gay. Also Dirty Harry. I'd say 90% of cop movies the semi-villains (a.k.a. bureaucratic "weenies" who make the bad-ass police follow things like "due process" and "not killing alleged criminals") are way more right than the cop main characters.

― max (maxreax), Sunday, 3 December 2006 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Death Wish, then?

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 3 December 2006 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

You think the guy in Dirty Harrywho shoved a naked girl down a well and stole a schoolbus was right?

― PPlains (PPlains), Sunday, 3 December 2006 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah, he's saying the DA guy in this bit was right:

[Harry is getting a dressing-down for his most recent arrest]
District Attorney Rothko: You're lucky I'm not indicting you for assault with intent to commit murder.
Harry Callahan: What?
District Attorney Rothko: Where the hell does it say that you've got a right to kick down doors, torture suspects, deny medical attention and legal counsel? Where have you been? Does Escobedo ring a bell? Miranda? I mean, you must have heard of the Fourth Amendment. What I'm saying is that man had rights.
Harry Callahan: Well, I'm all broken up over that man's rights!

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 3 December 2006 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Planet of the Apes

― sgh (sgh), Sunday, 3 December 2006 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"A History of Violence": they WERE right, and the kid WAS a pussbag
"Weekend at Bernie's": ditto
"Weekend": double ditto
http://www.bowjapan.com/feg/weekend/intro/images/photo.jpg

― Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Sunday, 3 December 2006 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Probably lots of teen comedies where the "villains" are actually for the most part well-intentioned authority figures like teachers, principals, and/or parents.

-- o. nate (syne_wav...), November 30th, 2006.

Ferris Bueller's Day Off! He's such a fucking snot and a complete dick to his friends. I always empathize with his sister.

― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Sunday, 3 December 2006 05:01 (seventeen years ago) link

BTW on the subject of Dark City and the Matrix and such

I'm guessing that people who pick robots and evil alien overlords over humans have had an especially hard time with girls.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Sunday, 3 December 2006 05:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I picked Ferris Bueller already! But yeah, the way he screws over Cameron deserves mention too.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Sunday, 3 December 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link

My Best Friend's Wedding.

Julia Roberts is a fucking cow throughout. I know Cameron Diaz isn't exactly a 'villian', but she's not the one you're supposed to br rooting for.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 3 December 2006 09:43 (seventeen years ago) link

ihttp://ldopa.net/wp-content/uploads/phantomzonevillians.jpg

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 December 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

> I'm guessing that people who pick robots and evil alien overlords over humans have had an especially hard time with girls

What about Battlefield Earth?

― austin!@#$ (austin), Sunday, 3 December 2006 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Knife in the Water?
Parse THAT cinegeeks

― forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 3 December 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i sympathized with the terrorists in air force one-

Egor Korshunov: You who murdered a hundred thousand Iraqis to save a nickel on a gallon of gas are going to lecture me on the rules of war?

― and what (ooo), Sunday, 3 December 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

accentmonkey OTM. Julia Roberts in My Best Friend's Wedding is completely hateful.

I'm pretty sure Ferris wuvs Cameron. There's not much to hate about anyone in Ferris Bueller really.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 3 December 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I seem to have got that wrong. I think this is what I meant:

Julia Roberts ~~in My Best Friend's Wedding~~ is completely hateful.

Is that better? (actually, I quite like Julia Roberts and her weirdy armpit hair)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 3 December 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, does any remember Cameron as a grownd-up on Spin City, and he was always doing all those cunnilingus tongue-flicks in the air? That was quite boggling.

― Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 3 December 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

the breakfast club while we're at it

― this is cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 3 December 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

also, video games where the villains are right (gears of war)

― this is cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 3 December 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw Cameron on, erm, Stargate Atlantis* the other day where he was REALLY growed up. He was 30 when Ferris Bueller was made (most over-used trivia fact EVER, that one).

* I wasn't watching it, I got shouted through to confirm that it was indeed Cameron.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

That reminds me - I saw Lt. Yarr from STTNG on an episode of Dexter. I had to check twice to believe it was her, she looked so old. But I guess I'm the one that's actually old.

― austin!@#$ (austin), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

the breakfast club is a poor example because the teacher actually is kind of abusive and villianish for reals.

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 4 December 2006 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

following on from air force one, there's the bad guys in "three kings" who make some pretty good points, too

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

putting a right-on take of the situation into the mouth of an ultravillians is sneaky; it lets the screenwriter say to himself or others that he's being even-handed when actually what's happening is every time an audience member hears that argument in question later, they'll think to themselves: "gah this moron's so brainwashed he sounds like a movie villain!"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Seven: Kevin Spacey is totally right. Except for the torturing/killing.

― franny (frannyglass), Monday, 4 December 2006 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

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