Word is shooting around online at top speed.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
Confirmation via Vanity Fair Twitter.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
Slideshow up on main site.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
man for some reason I thought this was gonna be like steve jobs and he was gonna be around for a long time
rip
― iatee, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
scorpions
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
a fine lush and sometimes good writer rip
― t. silaviver, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
Oh damn. I mean not a suprise I suppose but still wasnt expecting it :(
― Leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it. (Trayce), Friday, 16 December 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
VF piece now live
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
aaaand i think its just killed their website :/
― Leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it. (Trayce), Friday, 16 December 2011 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
David Folkenflik via NPR
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/09/17/christopher-hitchens-women-just-arent-that-funny
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
Selections from an interview with Dawkins for the New Statesman that's about to run.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/995phqjw.asp
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:22 (twelve years ago) link
having dug up some samples of misogyny and war mongering not sure what piece to post to demonstrate his expertise at character assassination since theres like all of them to choose from
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
journalists are being v strange on twitter, excellent unfollow opportunity
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
That's because a lot of them wish they were as famous as he and had as much to drink as well.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:42 (twelve years ago) link
true
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://i40.tinypic.com/51vfbo.jpg
― wow gould (step hen faps), Friday, 16 December 2011 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
RIP.
― toby, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:29 (twelve years ago) link
Was going to ask if he was the most famous person to be openly alcoholic, but presumably there are a load of musicians.
he had good zings
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
I liked his mother theresa book
― good webinar (ha ha I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 16 December 2011 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
I really admired some of his death penalty articles.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
do not link to national post
― oPal, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:53 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 16 December 2011 02:31 (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
― wil smif, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
oh damn why couldn't it have been peter?
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 16 December 2011 08:00 (twelve years ago) link
like most writers who say what needs to be said he said a bunch of stuff that didn't need to be said but it came with the territory. sleep well you brilliant, angry shit-stirrer.
― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Friday, 16 December 2011 08:32 (twelve years ago) link
^^ i f/w with this epitath
― wil smif, Friday, 16 December 2011 08:43 (twelve years ago) link
^Thirded. RIP Hitch :'(
― Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Friday, 16 December 2011 09:29 (twelve years ago) link
RIP and ty
never met hitch but we both wrote for the same ny tabloid for awhile in the late 80s. not trying to exalt myself rather i'd like to claim him as mentor of sorts, his weekly book review column became a touchstone for me. an instructive example of how much can be accomplished in just 500 or 750 words. quite a bit, in his case.
― the deli llama, Friday, 16 December 2011 10:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/Up2xH.jpg
― schalke nult fear (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 December 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
One of those writers who were part of the environment – I took him for granted. An incalculable influence on my thinking and writing over the years. I saw no reason to take it personally when we disagreed more often than not the last ten years.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
for those keeping track, below the fold
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwa8osRq9P1qz6z0no1_500.jpg
― max max max max, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
Sullivan shares an anecdote:
I'd asked him last year to write a letter to the Immigration Services sponsoring me to finally become a permanent resident of the United States. Who better than my fellow Englishman immigrant of the last twenty-five years? A while later, he emailed:"Safely in the US mail. I managed to say that your faith had allowed you to extend a warm hand to so many of your fellow men, and then remolded that bit to make it sound a touch less close to the heart's desire. Brunch? Sunday? Smooch Hitch"I responded,"lol. many many many thanks. an honor. brunch sounds great. we tend not to be conscious till around noon, tho. xx a" He replied:"Dearest Andrew I always think of Sunday lunch as beginning at about 2.30 ("a lavish and ruminative feast", as Waugh says about elevenses). Want to come here?"Yes, I do, Hitch. Yes, I do.
"Safely in the US mail. I managed to say that your faith had allowed you to extend a warm hand to so many of your fellow men, and then remolded that bit to make it sound a touch less close to the heart's desire.
Brunch? Sunday? Smooch Hitch"
I responded,
"lol. many many many thanks. an honor. brunch sounds great. we tend not to be conscious till around noon, tho. xx a"
He replied:
"Dearest Andrew I always think of Sunday lunch as beginning at about 2.30 ("a lavish and ruminative feast", as Waugh says about elevenses). Want to come here?"
Yes, I do, Hitch. Yes, I do.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
That "lol" must have advanced the crawl of Hitch's cancer.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah the difference in casual email tone does say it all.
Frum:
A friend of theirs once took Christopher Hitchens and his wife Carol Blue to dinner at Palm Beach’s Everglades Club, notorious for its exclusion of Jews.“You will behave, won’t you?” Carol anxiously asked Christopher on the way into the club. No dice. When the headwaiter approached, Christopher demanded: “Do you have a kosher menu?”
“You will behave, won’t you?” Carol anxiously asked Christopher on the way into the club. No dice. When the headwaiter approached, Christopher demanded: “Do you have a kosher menu?”
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
Also from that:
On one of the last occasions I saw him, my wife and I came to drop some food–lamb tagine–to sustain a family with more on its mind than cooking. Christopher, though weary and sick, insisted on painfully lifting himself from his chair to perform the rites of hospitality. He might have cancer, but we were still guests–and as guests, we must have champagne.
Hell the whole piece is one anecdote after another. I'll stop with this one:
Hitchens was not one of those romantics who fetishized “dialogue.” Far from suffering fools gladly, he delighted in making fools suffer. When he heard that another friend, a professor, had a habit of seducing female students in his writing seminars, he shook his head pityingly. “It’s not worth it. Afterward, you have to read their short stories.”
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
That Frum obit is the best I've read so far.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, just finished it. Definitely the keeper at this point.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
really really sad news.
― Mordy, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
I remember when this appearance inspired a lot of friends who'd never read him to give him a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFgX83OsEY
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
rip. dude was a fucking gangsta
― adam, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
by which i mean with hitch basically goes the entire tradition of public intellectualism
― adam, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
how come DOOM or Ghostface never asked him to appear on a record
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
Perrin knew him quite well in the late '80s and '90s -- he was his "hero" at the time -- and the last 3/4 of this piece is pretty amusing:
http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2006/10/our-reflection-darkly.html
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
obv I loved his work for the Voice and the Nation before he lost his marbles. And I hope God is merciful to him.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
And I hope God is merciful to him.
eh, fuck that. RIP, in the ground.
― ledge, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
Perrin's Hitchens obit... from 2003:
http://www.citypages.com/2003-07-09/news/obit-for-a-former-contrarian/
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
The man was so prolific that you can, if you wish, ignore the polemics and concentrate on the essays on literature. Unacknowledged Legislation is his best collection.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
you nice liberals are so literal-minded. she's just a provocateur! isn't it fun?
She claims Hitchens drank last July, but he said several times that he gave up drinking; he'd lost the taste for it.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://imnotatoy.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/w5bcn.gif?w=500
― nuhnuhnuh, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
good katha pollitt remembrance bit.ly/tjCN5l
― max max max max, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
TNC grapples with Hitchens' support for Iraq.
Nevertheless, I think Glenn's frame is wrong. Virtues don't excuse sins; they cohabit with them. Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder. Perhaps worse he was a slaveholder who comprehended, more than any other, the moral failing of slavery, and it's potential to bring the country to war, and yet at the end of his life he argued for slavery's expansion, and on his death many of his slaves were sent to the auction block.
At his end, Jefferson sided with those who would eventually bring about the deaths of 600,000 Americans. He argued that the antebellum South would have either "justice" versus "self-preservation." To paraphrase Churchill, it chose the latter and consequently got neither. But Jefferson was a beautiful writer, and a great intellect, whose thinking and prose I consistently find stunning. This admiration does not negate his moral cowardice. Both are true at the same time. (The same point could be made in regards to our conversation over Elizabeth Cady Stanton.)
Given Hitchens own ties to this magazine, of which I'm very fond, I'd like to say that--at least in this space--there's no demand for exclusion, or any sense that Hitchens worthy of unalloyed admiration. No one should ever receive, or wisely desire, such a thing. I can't really speak for other people, but I don't believe in an essential, irreducible moral nature. I don't see Hitchens, or anyone else, as a case of either/or.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
pollitt's piece is good. it's kind of a trip for me to imagine them interacting irl.
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
What I saw was that drinking made him angry and combative and bullying, often toward people who were way out of his league—elderly guests on the Nation cruise, interns (especially female interns).
post graduate level zing
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
really who dreamed up this idea of a cruise as fundraiser for a political magazine
― slandblox goole, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
just imagining it is so strange and horrible
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
there should be a short story where it's really some kind of bait and switch and they've all joined the navy reserve or an oil shipping line or something
― slandblox goole, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
shanghaied to write spam for the russian mob
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for him twice, and I wouldn't want to be at sea w/ Ralph Nader (esp if Jim Hightower was also around)
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
what u voted twice for ralph nader how has this fact never come out on ilx before???
jk :)
― Mordy, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
morbs and nader bunked together in the navy how has this fact never come out on ilx before???
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
i just cannot stop imagining a soused hitchen screaming at a tableful of old lefties just tryna enjoy their chicken a la king and then flipping the table and storming off in disgust
― max max max max, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
its really amazing
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
katha pollit clucking in the background
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
chainsmoking in his cabin angrily writing out a 1200-word screed about the variety show
― max max max max, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
threatening to quit if pollitt doesnt publish it immediately, on board the ship
puking over the side of the deck while his intern holds his hair
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
trying to charm an indifferent waitress with a story about dodging a militia in lebanon and then barfing over the side
xp lool
― slandblox goole, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://media.salon.com/2010/07/pollster_scott_rasmussen_to_speak_on_national_review_cruise_for_free-460x307.jpg
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
haha goole
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
I'm pretty sure couscous is favored over chicken a la king on The Nation cruise.
also Richard Dreyfuss was on it a couple years ago
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
why was Richard Dreyfuss on some couscous?
― OH NOES, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Dan crunches on indefinite pronounds like cornflakes.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
RICHARD DREYFUSS OVER A BED OF COUSCOUS JOIN US NATION MAGAZINE CRUISE 2012
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
*pronouns
btw I hate to tell u this year's returned to port yesterday
http://www.nationcruise.com/
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
lol at puking while an intern holds his hair
― caek, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://nearemmaus.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/hitch.jpg?w=690
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
omg he rode a folding bike, it all makes sense now
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
he was recreating Lenin's arrival at Finland Station.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/20/i_knew_christopher_hitchens_better_than_you/singleton/#comments
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
Not as funny as I wanted it to be.
― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
still pretty funny
― iatee, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
The first time I saw him, he had a bird on each arm and a woman by his side.
Sometimes the cheap laughs are the best.
― ledge, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://overratedwhitedudes.tumblr.com/post/14311784932/more-lucid-than-the-average-mean-spirited-drunk
― v-whiney (Cuauhtemoc Blanco), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
overrated tumblr whites
― nuhnuhnuh, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
Ron Jeremy? come on, bro.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
okay "the MGD 64 of human beings" for McConaughey is pretty funny
― OH NOES, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah honestly I only disagreed with like 3 of them but Ron Jeremy is deserving of his status.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
Oh man, I haven't thought about Neil Pollack in years!
― sterl, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
neither have i!
― river wolf, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have a clue who he is!
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
he was a thing for a while!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
The anthology of american literature is basically pieces like this about/in the style of most major macho literary figures of the 20th century. Since then, I guess he's written a bunch of other funny stuff too.
― sterl, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Anthology is hilarious
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link