How many spaces after a period?

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Is this an American thing? Come to think of it, my ex-boss, who was American, used to do this all the time.

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Friday, 16 December 2011 09:31 (twelve years ago) link

I'd never even heard of using two spaces (or the justification for it) before this thread

i am sure we have done this thread before.

i did two-spaces in school, and it was very satisfying to double-tap the space bar, but as it is wrong with variable-width fonts i trained myself out of it. One of the ways I recognised that it was wrong was that I noticed that html automatically stripped out the extra space. the other day i had to proof-read something for my momz and you could tell the bits i'd written apart from hers by my lack of extra space - she later went through and painstakingly added the extra space in, and then her editor went through and stripped all of the extra spaces out.

c sharp major, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:52 (twelve years ago) link

we did this back in real ilx. i think at the time i voted for 2, because i'd been taught that. nowadays i'm strictly a one space soldier

Fozzielad, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:54 (twelve years ago) link

nowadays, don't word processors force an em space after a full stop? that is what i like best bcz i was brought up by a copy of Hart's Rules.

c sharp major, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:55 (twelve years ago) link

Using two for fixed-width type seems even weirder than for variable-width, to my eyes - it's already open and spacey enough as it is.

ledge, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:56 (twelve years ago) link

iow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR0kc

ledge, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:57 (twelve years ago) link

YE-YEEAH-AAH

Fozzielad, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:58 (twelve years ago) link

I was raised on two in typing class and stuff, but I definitely got into an argument about this on irl-ilx before and was shamed into changing my ways.

another suggestbanite (rusty flathead screwdriver), Friday, 16 December 2011 10:26 (twelve years ago) link

But then again, maybe it's just an ilx thing like hating cargo shorts or flip-flops.

another suggestbanite (rusty flathead screwdriver), Friday, 16 December 2011 10:34 (twelve years ago) link

I was taught 2 as well. In fact I only found out that was wrong the first time ILX did this thread. I don't really know why it's such a big deal though.

Fake Eyeball, Friday, 16 December 2011 10:38 (twelve years ago) link

i was raised on 2 and it just makes sense to me. i like a bit of a breath after a sentence. i don't really care to retrain myself at this point in time.

― surm, Friday, 16 December 2011 01:53 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

^^^

you know what is a hard thing to do, having to write brochure copy or some other text per the house style of just one space. you end up going back & deleting accidental doubles.

feel like everyone who's arguing that it just ~is~ one, naturally, is revealing their lack of imagination and basic inability to find or imbue their life with some small occasional joy

Never translate German (schlump), Friday, 16 December 2011 10:51 (twelve years ago) link

fuck an extra space

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Friday, 16 December 2011 10:56 (twelve years ago) link

One 1 One 1 One 1

Double spacing after a period makes me IA and I can't help but feel people who do this are disgusting savages. I had to create a macro to automatically rid all articles I get at the paper here, and letters and such, to edit those mofo's out. What a world we live in...

lebateauivre, Friday, 16 December 2011 10:59 (twelve years ago) link

feel like everyone who's arguing that it's 2 because they have a sentimental attachment to it needs to have a good hard think about mystification and false consciousness.

c sharp major, Friday, 16 December 2011 11:01 (twelve years ago) link

otm. otm. otm.

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Friday, 16 December 2011 11:04 (twelve years ago) link

ONE YOU SILLY PEOPLE!

dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Friday, 16 December 2011 11:08 (twelve years ago) link

OK, so for all you number twos. Do you think 2 spaces really look better? They're sick. Sick and wrong.

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 December 2011 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

 ooh

Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 11:36 (twelve years ago) link

       my

Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 11:36 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, once you read an explanation of why one space is better than two, it's pretty difficult to continue typing 2 spaces and live with yourself

― silverfish, Friday, December 16, 2011 12:25 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

Wait so what's the argument other than it's no longer necessary?

ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Friday, 16 December 2011 12:07 (twelve years ago) link

the Zog media has brainwashed them into believing the lie!

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Friday, 16 December 2011 12:14 (twelve years ago) link

what the hell is this? ONE ffs

sonderangerbot, Friday, 16 December 2011 12:20 (twelve years ago) link

(gets gun)

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Friday, 16 December 2011 12:23 (twelve years ago) link

I try to use at least 5 spaces after a period.

wow gould (step hen faps), Friday, 16 December 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link

gonna switch to 2 spaces cos judging by this thread, 1 space means you might be a tool.

horseshoe loves tom brady, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:15 (twelve years ago) link

1 space is like science and seriousness, 2 spaces is like hey read this fun thing

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link

don't be a twool

nashwan, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link

voted 1

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link

I got an email the other day from someone who put one space BEFORE every fullstop and no spaces afterwards. BONKERS.

los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Friday, 16 December 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link

^ not how I remember Chuck D's lyric

nashwan, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:22 (twelve years ago) link

america is the only place where more than like a dozen people use two spaces afaict.

caek, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link

it's a place with vast unpopulated areas, so no shortage of space to go round.

los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Friday, 16 December 2011 13:25 (twelve years ago) link

silby, the space after a fullstop in TeX w/o frenchspacing is not the same amount of space it puts between words within a sentence, but it's pretty much always less than two spaces (unless you're putting long words in narrow columns, in which case you are a savage). i'm white btw.

caek, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link

america is the only place where more than like a dozen people use two spaces afaict.

This could be the case... I'm not super young, I've lived during the age of typewriters, and I've still never heard anything about a two space rule having been used here in Finland.

Tuomas, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:37 (twelve years ago) link

i skirt around the problem by just never ending my

smh, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

I was taught two in UK secondary school, and that was just a little over ten years ago! I quickly distanced myself from that savagery, though.

One thing I've heard of being taught in school's lately is to have one space BEFORE a comma. wtf is that?

m. yeux, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

WHAT? NO. That is not happening.

wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link

Any school where that's going on should be burned to the ground.

William (C), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

o crap i pluralised with an apostrophe, they've gotten to me too.

m. yeux, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:17 (twelve years ago) link

I want to start a poll on how people pluralize/use the possessive w/ nouns that end in s

nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

One thing I've heard of being taught in school's lately is to have one space BEFORE a comma. wtf is that?

this has to be a mistake, why teach something that is no way used anywhere else in the entire galaxy

Fozzielad, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link

To make the Klingons think they are travelling backwards.

Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

That is horrifying. How many spaces after a period is not something I care much about, but putting a space before a comma is MADNESS.

Nicole, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

I want to start a poll on how people pluralize/use the possessive w/ nouns that end in s

My last name ends in -ss and I am a staunch advocate of 's because then I get -ss's. I want all the sss!

wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link

kisses

asses

successes

Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

assesses

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

I never could decide
So I just stopped using punctuation
And pressing return instead

oPal, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

6/10/7

Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 15:07 (twelve years ago) link

Wait so what's the argument other than it's no longer necessary?

― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Friday, December 16, 2011 12:07 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

what it is is:

in typesetting, after a full stop (a full stop that ends a sentence - this does not apply to e.g. the full stops in e.g.) you have a slightly longer space than usual - an em-space. When the typewriter came in, using fixed-width type (i.e. type in which every character is one em wide), people evoked the longer-than-a-usual-space aspect of an em-space by using two spaces rather than one, the same way that people sometimes mimic an em-dash by using a double dash thus: --.

Using a variable-fixed font, the full stop crowds close to the word it follows, giving the impression that there is an em-space following the sentence-final full stop. Some word processors may even impose an em-space after a sentence-ending full-stop in the same way that they impose a capital letter.

They are thus both approximations toward the typographical norm but at present the one-space approximation is more close an approximation.

c sharp major, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link


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