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I'm toying with the idea of getting a Wii, the first time I've ever wanted a console since I tired of my SNES in about 1995. It looks quite good fun, but is it going to be worth it? Nintendo have always tried to puch gaming with new ideas and often failed (remember the SuperScope?). Plus is the competition better? The XBox 360 strikes me as a bit of a boys toy for diehard gaming fans and the PS3 doesn't seem to bring that much to the table in the way of innovation. Still at the end of the day it's about the games - are they better or worse? Is the Wii just a fad?

― wogan lenin (doglatin), Monday, 27 November 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

its way too early to tell really

― latebloomer, Monday, 27 November 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

remember the SuperScope?

ha ha, NO

― 2 sandboxy 4 u, Monday, 27 November 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

it will indeed be a fad, and a failure. Do you know why? Because I'm going to buy one.

Fuck those shit marketing strategies - I claim full responsibility for single handedly destroying Sega's console ventures, buy simply purchasing every one of their consoles.

I now wearily turn my war torn bloody eyes towards Nintendo.

― Ste, Monday, 27 November 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

We're gettig a Wii. It'll be like the Nintendo DS: I played the shit out of Zookeeper (and I fucking RULED) and then I neglect it. At least I'll be doing some sports. That's the only excuse I can find for buying the Wii. Oh and Ophelia demanded one. I think. She was mumbling something. ;-)

― stevie nixed (stevienixed), Monday, 27 November 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

"by"

i got a PSP last week, fairly impressed with it. Although the power button is in a stupid place - i accidentally switched it off at one point.

― Ste, Monday, 27 November 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

my Superscope was awesome until it broke after like a week

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 27 November 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

I have no interest in the Wii, and don't see (yet) what the PS3 offers me over the XBox 360.

Biggest problem with the 360 thus far is that Madden blows. Slow, awkward, the franchise mode is a step back, gameplay doesn't work right (this year I quit playing because every game was prolonged by pointless and unavoidable cut-scenes of the linemen getting ready, etc.) - nice graphics, though.

If the PS3 can provide me Madden with great graphics and the gameplay I'm used to, I'll buy one next summer.

― milo (milo), Monday, 27 November 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'll probably get a Wii next year. The thing is fully compatible with Gamecube games, right?

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 27 November 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

yep

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 27 November 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently on Wii Madden to chuck a pass downfield you actually swing the Wii remote like it's a pigskin. Broken TVs ahoy!

― nklshs (nklshs), Monday, 27 November 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

the wii is really, really fun

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 27 November 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

360 is the one if you are not a wii fanboy

ps3 is offering nothing that 360 doesn't have besides slightly better graphics and one or two exclusive titles (metal gear and?)

― this is cutty (mcutt), Monday, 27 November 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

If I wasn't up to my eyeballs in babies, I'd get a Wii. As soon as the 360 ships with a built-in HDDVD player (or BluRay?), I think that would be the next one to get. PS3 seems like a crazy boondoggle. Maybe in a year or so, when some the services are online, and the programmers get the hang of writing for yet another wacky Sony-only architecture, the games will nose ahead of the 360. But for now, there seems to be little difference. Plus, the 360 has Rockstar's Table Tennis! Why no Wii version?

― schwantz, Monday, 27 November 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck new video game systems. Too expensive and not enough decent games. I guarantee there'll be another crash in about three years.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 28 November 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

The Wii really does look wonderful - my friend Indy, a die-hard RPG and shooter connoisseur, has been raving about the bowling game, for Chrissakes. But sometime around the debut of the Gamecube (whose back catalog still tempts me from time to time), I made the personal conclusion that buying a system was basically plunking down money in order to have a less satisfying life, since games by and large suck away time from things I'd rather be doing, except that I lack the willpower to resist the easy fix of games when they're in the house. :(

More "social" games have a stronger pull, I'll admit - if the Wii gets a Guitar Heroes type game, it might really get tough to resist if I weren't broke all the time..

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 28 November 2006 03:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not all that sure the wave-a-stick thing sells me; we just dont have the livingroom space for pretending at golf/bowling/being Link. But I see you can buy regular controlers for the thing too.

Seeing as I think we're only interested in Twilight Princess at this point tho, Nick's gonna get the GC versh. So no Wii for now. Maybe in a while.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 04:41 (nineteen years ago)

I guarantee there'll be another crash in about three years.

not unless you think china, japan, the EU, australia, canada AND the states are all headed for some kind of simultaneous depression! Too much spare time and spare change going around makes a populace idle and demanding of entertainment.

anyway, the wii seems to have the most to offer for the average joe.
the 360 isn't bad for people who want HD and PC-like no-holds-barred network competition/coop.
the PS3 is for people who have more money than sense.

― THE TOMBOT MAN, Tuesday, 28 November 2006 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

for non-gamers such as me, the wii is a hell of a good time.

― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

one or two exclusive titles (metal gear and?)

Virtua Fighter 5, Final Fantasy XIII, Devil May Cry 4...looks as though potential system selling stuff like Resident Evil 5 and Grand Theft Auto 4 will be getting a 360 release.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

the PS3 is for people who have more money than sense

The people the video game industry has been making money out of since 1978, basically.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

haha Dom you'd like to have money

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 28 November 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck new video game systems. Too expensive and not enough decent games. I guarantee there'll be another crash in about three years.

too expensive? the wii ain't that expensive.

― nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

haha.

oh yeah, and the DOA movie is coming out next month.

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

we just dont have the livingroom space for pretending at golf/bowling/being Link.

As I understand it most (all?) games can be played by sitting on your arse and using flicks of the wrist.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

or as some would demonstrate it:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20061113.jpg

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

I have no interest in the Wii, and don't see (yet) what the PS3 offers me over the XBox 360.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Not so much, Jon.

― milo (milo), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that Wii remote is something else. What will Nintendo think of next? Maybe some sort of gun with which you could shoot at ducks inside the television?

― PPlains (PPlains), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Front if you want, but you know it'll be fun.
I just got commitment from the girl to buy core system when I find it, leaving me to cover the remaining 150 for zelda, xtra wiimote w/chuk, 2000 wii points and tax.
I just gotta beat FFXII first.

― forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

I predict the VIRTUAL BOY is going to be the top system in '07!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah JW has a habit of repeating things he learns the week or so prior, regardless of context. I like that about him though, reminds me of me.

Anyway:
What will Nintendo think of next?

They might think of another scheme wherein developers are given the chance to finally stretch their talent at minimal upfront $$$ while offering the highest revenue potential for any platform per unit sold, on a console which they themselves make a profit on from launch day forward, yada yada fucking yada.

Anyway if anybody else has $500-700 to throw away for the chance to play such classics as FPS: Apocalypse In The Future, FPS: Apocalypse In The Future, or FPS: Apocalypse In The Future, let me know how fun that shit is, maybe I'll eat ramen for a month and join you.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 06:34 (nineteen years ago)

b-b-but Star Wars: Battlefront III takes place a long, long time ago.

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't the problem with the Ninetendo consoles that they just seem so... kiddie compared with the Playstations?

If I were to buy any of these (which I'm not) I'd go for the one that is likely to get the best range, the biggest games and the most staying power and I bet that'll be the PS3.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'll have a wii

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

in a wiik and two days!

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Checked out the Wii at a local EB games when I stopped by the local zombie mall to get measured for a coat. Excite Truck seems like a fun drunk party thing, assuming you can race two cars at once.

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

ExciteTruck has a split-screen 2-player.

Played Wii last night, am in LOVE. The Zelda sword-swings aren't anything more than a wiggle of the remote, but that is still way more satisfying/hilarious than button-mash + button-mash. Also, when they come out with a Wii Fly Fishing game, I will be the first in line to buy.

― drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Also I don't think I'm alone in assuming FPS: Apocalypse In The Future is going to be way more fun on Wii, for 1/2 - 1/3 the price.

― drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

i might buy a XBOX 360 JUST so i can play retro Sensible Soccer online as the good gamelord intended. altho this may not be necessary if the SS.de forum comes back up.

― not much money, even less sense, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

fucking can't wait for wii

― Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't the problem with the Ninetendo consoles that they just seem so... kiddie compared with the Playstations?

nintendo's a seven year-old, xbox and playstation are 15 - take yr pick.

― jhoshea (jhoshea), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

I ended up doing a lot of jabs playing Twilight Princess, not necessarily because the enemies called for it, just because LOL I R jabbing w/ my hand!

― drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

likely to get the best range, the biggest games and the most staying power and I bet that'll be the PS3

meh:
http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=SNE&t=6m&q=l&l=on&z=m&c=NTDOY.PK&a=v&p=s

not at $700 a pop, and the company still losing money at that price, and developers shying away. a year or two from now somebody will write an article and the title will be "blu-ray killed the playstation star." And I'll get that fucking song stuck in my head, just like I did to myself just now.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

My main problem with the Wii is that most of the games look like gimmicky rubbish, and in the areas where it was supposed to excel (ie FPS) the limits of the controller are already becoming apparent. The only thing its got going for it is a Game Cube game. Whoop dee doo.

Nintendo: why didn't you bring out a proper console? Why have you gone down the Russell T. Davies route of destroying something good by remaking it for women and gays?

― Andronicus (The One and Only Andronicus Co), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

because Nintendo is actually Japanese for 'quiche stilettos', you clod.

― #, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8400/womengaysao2.jpg

― Andronicus (The One and Only Andronicus Co), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

you dudez can just play xbox is the idea right?

― jhoshea (jhoshea), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

a proper console
http://ed-thelen.org/Munich/Zuse3-console-800.jpg

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

"you dudez can just play xbox is the idea right?"

So the people who actually play games buy an Xbox and spend several hundred pounds on games and accessories. The Women and Gays who don't play games buy the Wii, play Wii sports for 5 minutes, then go off and talk about shoes or something.

Excellent plan.

― Andronicus (The One and Only Andronicus Co), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

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Does the classic controller have a Z trigger or whatever?

― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Why do all the display Wiis in Best Buy/Gamestop/etc. have no controllers? What's the point?

the one at EB has it where you leave your ID at the desk, and you get the controller to play with

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Only for women and gays with proper ID.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

well, yes, but women and gays have been allowed to drive for at least 3 years now

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, i'm rather entertained by nude spock's ability to pop up in a thread on any subject and be a douche. Does he show up on the football or cricket or cooking threads with the same approach?

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think those two little buttons just inward of the R & L buttons on the classic controller are BOTH Z buttons!

― drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1568496915.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― Andronicus - on the hatorade since 1183 (The One and Only Andronicus Co), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

oh sweet, i just realized that this thing can be used to play Odama, assuming it hasn't gone out of print and $80 on ebay by then

http://media.gamespy.com/columns/image/article/700/700544/planetfargo-get-your-odama-on-20060406061336673.jpg

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

The classic controller is ok.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Larry, is it better or worse than gamecubes

― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

The weird hand dongles on gamecube/PS2/xbox controllers (PS2 & xbox more than gamecube though, but none as much as N64 controller [wtf were they thinking?]) sometimes give me hand-cramps, Wii classic controller looks like it will be less cramp/sweat producing.

― drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

It still looks too wide, though. Mostly because of the room given for the analog sticks on the bottom.

http://www.cliffracer.com/store/images/snes-controlpad1.jpg
^ still the best controller ever, in terms of comfort and practicality.

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

Larry, is it better or worse than gamecubes

It's worse and also not wireless.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

^ still the best controller ever, in terms of comfort and practicality.

-- step hen faps (curtis.stephen...), November 29th, 2006.

otm!

though i'd say the 6-button "arcade pad" for the genesis/megadrive was pretty close.

― latebloomer (clonefeed), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

the worst thing about the genesis 6 button controller were people who had only one of those and insisted on using it when they played you in mortal kombat or whatever

― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

an ilxor reviews the Wii for the Onion

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 30 November 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

the worst thing about the genesis 6 button controller were people who had only one of those and insisted on using it when they played you in mortal kombat or whatever

holy shit isn't that the truth

― grbchv! (gbx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, endless drag was playing SF2/Killer Instinct/MK with the regular sega/SNES controllers

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 30 November 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

the worst thing about the genesis 6 button controller were people who had only one of those and insisted on using it when they played you in mortal kombat or whatever

-- jw (jo...), November 29th, 2006.

hahahahahahahaha i WAS that person

― latebloomer (clonefeed), Thursday, 30 November 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

Nah the worst thing is when you totally play fair and give your guest the better/least fucked up controller and they're still convinced that you're cheating somehow, like one friend that thought I had somehow rigged it so I could take more hits than him in Halo.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 30 November 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

not much to see, but it's a start:

the Big Wiibowski

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 30 November 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, I'm definitely going to get one of these soon as I've just come into a little money. Is it £179.99 across the board for Wii + Wii Sports and one controller? Or is there anywhere in the UK that does a better deal? I think buying extra controllers is what's going to rinse me.

― wogan lenin (doglatin), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.techepics.com/files/afro_1.jpg

Oh great so the only alternative to the controller for WOMEN, GAYS and probably SPASTICS is some kind of bastardisation of the worst bits of the SNES controller and the Dual Shock. Well done guys.

― Andronicus (The One and Only Andronicus Co), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

Predictable spastics reference, -10 points.
No love for SNES controller, -10 points.

Oh dear.

― Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

The Snes controller was alright in a time before games companies had discovered ergonomics (certainly better than Sega's Saturn/DC strategy of adding buttons to something resembling a dinner plate) - but to release something like it in the present day is just silly. Especially if you're going to copy Sony's uncomfortable and practically unusable analog stick placement.

Predictable reference to Spastics? It's not my fault that Nintendo and chums feel compelled to include them in most of the promotional material:

http://britishgaming.co.uk/wp-content/callofduty3_wii_2.jpg

Yeah, i want to play games looking like that man. I'm sure he has LOTS of friends :|

― Andronicus (The One and Only Andronicus Co), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

in your head, is there a studio audience laughing at and applauding everything you say and do?

― stevie (stevie2), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

He has his own personal Excelsior department in there.

― Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

"in your head, is there a studio audience laughing at and applauding everything you say and do?"

nah, In my head there's a forum of pathetic infantile 30-somethings. Rather than applauding they simply post 'grebt' at everything i say and do, before making a rubbish joke about kittens.

― Andronicus (The One and Only Andronicus Co), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

banned from ile, ip banned from the site.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

i find it strangely easy to ignore the guy

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

oh no you di int!!

xpost

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

anyway, surely PS3 price will drop three months after launch when they realise people be baulking at the cost, and three months after that there might be some decent games.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

That's because he was utter rubbish. I thought ILX trolls had more class. xposts

― Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

― this is cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

"That's because he was utter rubbish. I thought ILX trolls had more class. xposts"

Using dismissive posts in place of actual retorts -10 points
Being a bit podgy and looking like a pedophile -10 points

What utter rubbish i thought geeky 80s fan children had more class :(

― Mr. Comnenus (Mr Comnenus), Thursday, 30 November 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

WDYLL?

― wogan lenin (doglatin), Thursday, 30 November 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

I am trying to convince my mum-in-law that we could have lotsa happy good fun family times with a Wii, and thus procure one with her funds. I am sick of her pwning me & the fiance at Triv Pursuit and my Wii lust must be satiated soon before I get an aneurysm or something. I have not been this stoked on a thing since SNEs.

― Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 30 November 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

there's no way you could break yr tv screen with that remote - you could break the remote tho.

www.wiihaveaproblem.com

― D.J. Anderson (D.J. Anderson), Saturday, 2 December 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

This "I smashed my telly with a wii controller" meme is catching on.

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Saturday, 2 December 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Bleah. Big whiff from the Onion on that one. I'm going to assume that Chris D. didn't write it.

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

WILMINGTON, N.C. - A young man accused of robbing a fellow college student of two new PlayStation 3 video game consoles was shot and killed - possibly while holding a game controller - by officers sent to arrest him.

Peyton Strickland, 18, was killed Friday at a house he shared with three roommates, Sheriff Sid Causey said.

Roommate Mike Rhoton said Strickland was unarmed when he got up from playing a Tiger Woods golf game but may have been holding a controller when he went to the door as officers bashed it in. Strickland's dog also was shot to death.

The sheriff said Strickland was shot by members of a specially trained team who went to help university officers serve arrest warrants. Causey said officers considered the arrest a high-risk situation.

"Anytime that someone beats a person severely and commits an armed robbery, I certainly would consider him a risk and a danger," Causey said.

The sheriff said the robbery victim waited in line for three days to buy the units for $641 each at a Wal-Mart. He was unloading them at his campus apartment when one man beat him to the ground while another took the consoles, Causey said.

The Associated Press

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://quietmountain.org/dharmacenters/buddhadendo/wheel_of_samsara_thanka.jpg

― obi strip (sanskrit), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

srsly

― jhoshea (jhoshea), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Let's not forget about the greedy dude getting beat down. That was karma for buying 2 PS3s

― jw (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

remember the SuperScope?

http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/mania/images/ss/ss_smbmovie-dvd_02.jpg

― latebloomer! (clonefeed), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

He's supposed to be Koopa, and those guys behind him are supposed to be Goombas. That movie is so fucking weird.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

i know! the movie is really creative in its interpretation of the game. sadly, it's also terrible.

― latebloomer! (clonefeed), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

i enjoyed its reinforcing of negative italian-american stereotypes.

― obi strip (sanskrit), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

"stereotypes"

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

I love the "sequel set-up" ending. Yeah, riiiight.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

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