(fps everybody)
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
i think the last thing ilx needs is more discussion related to SB/Flag Post
― flexidisc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
'flag poster' makes more sense to me than 'flag post'
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
suggest death panelxxp
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
'flog poster' even better
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
I seriously have a hard time believing that people would be afraid to post to ILX for fear of being SB'd when only a handful of people (all of whom deserved it in one way or another) have ever acutally been SBd. That is just ridiculous and makes me think people are exaggerating the SB system and what it entails/results in.
I agree with that, I think SB is a really stupid feature but it's not really a big deal
more than that I think ILX's culture of piling on the "undesirables" and the really nasty/personal attacks are what makes the message board suck. because in general I do feel that ILX is a "nicer" and maybe "more intelligent" board than many (as in discussion is like at a 9th grade level, at least), so to see the place suddenly devolve into SomethingAwful when a few people disagree with someone is kinda out of place
― WE KILL BRONIES (Rolo Tony), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
It's friends who say to me "jesus, you have an elephant's hide when it comes to dealing with internet crap, and *you* have trouble there? What is gonna happen to someone like me, who is actually sensitive and quite self conscious about getting blasted for saying the wrong thing?"
This almost exactly mimics my experience with trying to get smart people with interesting opinions to post to ILX. They may well be all wrong, but it's certainly what they experience. It could be that ILX only wants internet hardmen on the board in which case it's not an issue, but assuming that we actually want a more diverse spread of views on here, then we're gonna have to take another look.
+1 for name change to "Flag Post" or similar, that would be a good start, it makes it sound significantly less aggressive. SM OTM.
xxxxps
― You failed, you didn’t eat the whole pizza (NotEnough), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
We're talking about something that has had an impact on a v small number of people who needed to change their behavior.
tell us more about the "model poster" we should all aspire to
― WE KILL BRONIES (Rolo Tony), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:29 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― tumblr whine-y (dayo), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
flag sitta post
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
Flag obv. short for flagellate
― Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
You mean this was a semantic argument all along? Good lord. (agreed that FP sounds better tho, and knowing there is no magic 51=autoban lessens my ire considerably)
― ledge, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
The fact is that some (very very few) comedy bans are unearned, and a few posters in the past probabably shouldn't've been hounded off the board. But if you go into a community (message board) and manage to piss off 51 people, you're probably not in the right place and should leave, and if you need the incentive of 51 irriated posters clicking GET YE GONE to push you over an edge, you likely lack the social graces to respond to a gentler push.
Call it "FLAG POST" or "WHIP" or "FLING POOP" or "SUGGEST BAN" and it's all the same thing, although it might seem a little more pleasant.
― remy bean in exile, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
the thing i don't get about SBs is why the mods etc seem so determined to defend and maintain a system
tbf I don't think they are. Some are, but some also dislike it just as much. I personally am for it on balance (obv) but don't pretend it's anything like perfect or doesn't have problems.
(one thing I think could maybe appeal specifically to a mod about it is that's it's at least more democratic than just banning on a single mod's opinion, which means the common and easy "x was just banned because a mod hates them personally, the board adores their roguish ways and telling of truth to fools" mod attack is harder to sustain.) xp
― stet, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
Remy otm. Rolo - obv there's no model poster but if 51 ppl think you're doing something wrong and/or offensive then there's probably something up that you should take a look at.
Who are these scared people getting their info about ILX or the SB from? I've certainly shared some unpopular opinions over the years and have never had more than 10 SBs at any one time as far as I know. Could it be that they're not getting a very balanced view of how the whole thing works?
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
If this is about semantics I'll rep for a button that says SHAME, SHAME and displays to the idiot a cartoon .gif of Newman in Jurassic Park locking out the computer system.
― remy bean in exile, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
where are all these vicious attacks on the lone & reasonable dissenters taking place? Should i be even more glad than i am that i don't post to ilm?
― bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw i have also had the exact same response many many times re: getting people to post here
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
That is so very strange. I'd still like to know where they're getting their info from.
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
This almost exactly mimics my experience with trying to get smart people with interesting opinions to post to ILX. They may well be all wrong, but it's certainly what they experience.
Yes, mine too, and I get mail to this end, and this problem is part of the thinking behind SB -- posters shouldn't have to be internet hardmen to post on ILX. But I don't think many people would argue that ILX is actually cuddlestein, and these posters are somehow confused.
What FT seems to be saying, though, that it's not the need to be an internet hardman that her potential posters are scared of, but SB itself. Which I don't fully understand. It might be happening, but I don't think it's half as common as people getting put off by the rambunctiousness.
― stet, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
Anybody I've directed to the board who doesn't post cites the ridiculous number of in-jokes and pervasive meta-metaness and cliqueyness. I've never had anybody say anything about the HARD MAN CULTURE because for fuckssakes, I post on here and I am giant wuss.
― remy bean in exile, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
I'd still like to know where they're getting their info from.
from reading the boards?
SB has no impact on people being internet dicks! it clamps down on the LOUDEST posters, not the meanest ones
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the cliqueyness seems like more of a barrier, you sorta have to have a loud personality to be noticed xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
very in favor of 'FLING POOP'
― tumblr whine-y (dayo), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but lex thats an important distinction from what stet was arguing against, which was the idea that SB was preemptively thwarting people from coming here to post.
Idk what to do about the meanness in this world
xxp
― massachusetts_capricorns_cru (henrietta lacks), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
when did this turn into an encounter group
― remy bean in exile, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
What FT seems to be saying, though, that it's not the need to be an internet hardman that her potential posters are scared of, but SB itself.
Yes, can't agree with this. SB had been up and running for like a month before i even knew what it was.
― Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
more than that I think ILX's culture of piling on the "undesirables" and the really nasty/personal attacks are what makes the message board suck.
where are the threads where we do this, i want in
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
I really don't agree with that since there's a real junior high mentality around here and you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"
I don't think these challops that get people banned are that indefensible, just that most posters who agree are probably afraid to say so
― WE KILL BRONIES (Rolo Tony), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
srsly
― bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
The SB functionality isn't so much the problem as the culture around it, obviously, or there'd be no thread.
― Sick Mouthy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:14 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
Flagged post for excellence and otm'ness
― lebateauivre, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"
As a joke surely
― Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
there are some 'challenging opinions' itt that make me miss sb thats for sure
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
there are like a zillion factors that make ilx what it is & the delicate engineering & interlacing of each is part of what makes ilx - i am sure there is some sort of balanced interplay even between ilx as hardman central & ilx as sb-haven that give it some kind of character or suggest an appropriate degree of leeway. there are a million things that would or wouldn't make ilx a desirable place to post to - privacy, aesthetics of taste, aesthetics of message boards, dominant posting style, &c&c&c - & so speculating on those that are lost or deterred by the occurrence of some of these traits feel weird - i'm sure others would be deterred or attracted by some other alternate-universe slight-variation on ilx. ilx is real good to read, a lot of good discussion happens on it, i'm sure some of that is down to what it's like.
yeah seriously this is like almost exclusively aerosmith when someone talks shit about rice or something, i can't really remember a lot of sincere, indignant "please suggest ban this awful man" going on
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
he really does like rice
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
suggest basmati
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
Flag pasta
― Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
Yes. And it never happens that people actually all freak out and run to the SB. I'm sure other mods will back me up on this, but I've never ever seen this happen, except in the unfortunate (?) instance of Whiney and the Big Bottom Birds. The most flags I've ever seen for a single post are, like 4 or 5, and that has happened v, v, v, rarely.
Nearly every single instance of awful piling on that I can recall occurs b/w board regulars, and escalates slowly over time; not as the result of a single trigger-happy SB culture.
― remy bean in exile, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
i like rice
― your voice of treason, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
and pasta
― your voice of treason, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
also if anybody wants to come see my one new band, Whiney and the Big Bottom Birds, we'll be playing a benefit gig next week for victims of unnecessary SBing
― remy bean in exile, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
haha I was gonna say, at least this thread created a great bandname
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
the unfortunate (?) instance of Whiney and the Big Bottom Birds
how is this not a childrens bookxp lol
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yZa751uqL.jpg
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I have never, ever seen this happen seriously.
Unless I've got it all wrong and everytime someone posts "SB'd you for that" they are actually SB'ing people.
― Fake Eyeball, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
Blah blah blah SB is an infringement of my human rights blah blah
― tumblr whine-y (dayo), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:01 (twelve years ago) link
i am not really gonna retroactively sb carnitas just for the record
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
there are like a zillion factors that make ilx what it is & the delicate engineering & interlacing of each is part of what makes ilx
otm. I think some of the things that prevent people posting are desirable, in that they keep out the type of posts that make other forums so insufferable, while otoh some of them keep out the type of posts ILX wants.
The real challenge is finding the balance. I've said before that ILX shouldn't be 4chan, but nor should it be Metafilter.
― stet, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
ilx: the best parts of 4chan and metafilter
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link