catching up now but thx stet you are a prince
― cad, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
Charge people $5 every time they change their display name.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
Readmission fee after a ban
― Sad Banter (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
£51 fine for self-excelsioring
― Sad Banter (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
50¢ per otm charge
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
graduated lol tax
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Antichrist1.jpg
― sean doily, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
Tithes to be paid by all posters to The Church
― Sad Banter (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
that medieval church puggle ain't looking too happy
― kingfish sandbox bonaparte, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
he can't afford to go on ye olde ILM
― sean doily, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
lol tax revolts of 2012
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
Am I the only person who thinks "sb" should be left behind?
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 09:24 (twelve years ago) link
^no
thanks 1,000,000 stet for all yr hard work
― the deli llama, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:07 (twelve years ago) link
I'd like to poll that question, I'll admit. But I have 'mixed feeligns'.
In theory, if someone's just posting offensive crap or spam, 50 good and faithful ILXors should be able to point them out and the perp gets xored out.
At the moment, it's more a 'custard pie for not liking Animal Collective in the right way'.
Maybe a 'ban' should last all of an hour, in the spirit of "we love you but maybe you should go and chill out for a bit"
And so on. Don't mind me.
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:16 (twelve years ago) link
If someone's just posting offensive crap or spam, they'll get banned by the mods before even reaching 51.
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:17 (twelve years ago) link
I know, and there's the 'borderline' stuff, and there's the 'offensive to relatively few people', etc.
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:19 (twelve years ago) link
Do most SBs happen clumped together after someone has said something very not cool, or are they usually spread out because most people are low-level horrible rather than balls-out nasty? Because these two scenarios maybe require something different? Maybe?
― NotEnough, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:20 (twelve years ago) link
it seems 'low-level'.
I've never sb'd anyone, but then again nobody's really been b-o-n to me.
I can think of a couple of scenarios where I could have been sb'd to heck (OK, one scenario), but because it didn't exist I was able to explain my side, and people were able to either agree/forgive/cope/whatever.
Is that so wrong?
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:26 (twelve years ago) link
I've never sb'd anyone
Same here. I hate the whole idea of it.
― Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:31 (twelve years ago) link
I think I've only ever done it to people threatening other people with an SB in a kind of twisted Karma way.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:43 (twelve years ago) link
God i wish we had SB on sandbox
― Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:45 (twelve years ago) link
but maybe we shd debate it AGAIN given the huge number of inoffensive posters 51'd every week for being inoffensive
― Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:46 (twelve years ago) link
OK, parc the sarc, let's talk about it.
I'm guessing you've had your fair share of being sb'd to 51, right?
How many of those would you say you 'deserved', or 'helped' you?
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:49 (twelve years ago) link
hehehe i'm not who you think i am ;-)
thing is Mark, we have this debate every fortnight or so, a bunch of people don't like SB and will never participate in it, good for them. the system doesn't exist independently of moderation, it functions as a guide to mods. its biggest flaw is that on the odd occasion when a user has a bit of a meltdown an unseemly pile-on can take them to 51 quite quickly - as i understand it, mods will now try to step in and prevent this happening. the only other way to be 51'd is to piss off 51 separate posters enough to click the button within a limited time frame - under this system it's proven all but impossible to get 51'd, and peeps who have been have almost always been at least aware that part of their online persona is "controversial" to other posters. some people's ILX experience is spoiled by meanness and swears, some people's ILX experience is spoiled by dickwittery and not-quite-spamming. SB is a reasonable leveller of these differences of opinion.
I think that's a fair summary of the current thinking on SB. I love a clusterfuck as much as the next misanthrope, so by all means everybody who hates SB can keep telling us all about it. Don't think that's gonna make it go away, at the mo.
― Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:57 (twelve years ago) link
― Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
oh, and it's got nothing to do with hosting ILX so personally i'd prefer it had its own thread so we can address relevant issues relevantly.
― Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
i agree w/ you MarkG sb is tryrannical and cruel & should be outlawed
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
for one thing idk how we are all surviving without it on this here sandbox, julie you must be having an extremely hard time my apologies where o where is the sb button miss u boo
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, y'see i find it useful for when you've made a reasoned argument and then people just carry on as if you hadn't
― Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:02 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ ppl thinking you're actually LJ also lol @ this discussion AGAIN
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
we can never rest until the brutal shadow of the SB button has been lifted and people feel free to post their innermost thoughts again
― Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:05 (twelve years ago) link
Well, it's neither one thing nor the other.
Anyway, thanks for the reasoned defence of it. I still would like it gone, but then that's my opinion.I dunno if it needs a full debate, just .
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:06 (twelve years ago) link
or we can go on as we seem to be managing to do right now in perfect harmony xp
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:06 (twelve years ago) link
You guys just think there's no SB on the sandbox. I found the secret button and am SBing you all repeatedly right now.
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
That's the wrong button, you've got us all signed up for the Sugababes audition!
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://derailingfordummies.com/
― Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:14 (twelve years ago) link
u r so mean! funny how such a bully would be in favor of a system designed to let ppl gang up on some1 & 'vote him off the island'
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:16 (twelve years ago) link
Mmm, interesting! Intense levels of sarcasm, but. (ref: that website)
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:17 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway, to get back on topic - I'd love to help out but donation drives always seem to come at a bad time for me: either I'm off-board and they finish before I get there or they turn up when I'm skint. It would be good if we could open donations year-round, but I seem to remember there were tax/legal issues with this, right?
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:20 (twelve years ago) link
The drives were always open very briefly, and closed when the target was reached. In my time here, i've only managed to contrib to one!
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:22 (twelve years ago) link
hooray for stet! hooray for more memory! otm'ing everyone who wants to be able to donate whenever.
also I hope that the ability to bump ancient threads doesn't get phased out in the interest of db performance, since that is like the most charming thing about ilx
― silby, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
― Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
yeah clearly u have to be able to bump, thats a given
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
otoh we had about 14 active users and no mods the morning Newgod arrived. sb failed us that morning. and all this "oh i've never banned anyone, i'm so special" bullshit is so fucking lame. spammers like newgod are in theory what it is there for and if i was the only fucking one pressing the button for 2 hours then ilx deserved to break.
anyway, post passive aggression, thx stet! i will try to contribute, even if it is a time of the year i have absolutely no £££
― big popppa hoy, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
um, I wasn't saying I was "so special", I did caveat "nobody's upset me personally here"
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
only fucking one pressing the button for 2 hours then ilx deserved to break
While I personally take a lot of satisfaction in repeatedly hitting SB on certain people just for the hell of it, you do know that it only counts once when you do it even if you sit there and hit it 200 times, right S?
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
sb isn't really for spammers now, is it?
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
I think that's the case or it was at one time at least.
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
lol i meant i was the only person to do it in 2 hrs. (which i know isnt true.)
― big popppa hoy, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
Stet, you are a gentleman and a scholar and I salute you, sir.
― quincie, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link