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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/world/europe/british-hacking-scandal-widens-to-government-secrets.html

lol. apparently it's an open secret that this story is going to get bigger.

caek, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 10:10 (ten years ago) link

• David Davis at ConservativeHome says George Osborne should announce tax cuts and be wary of big infrastructure projects.

why what a wonderful coincidence

Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 29 November 2011 12:31 (ten years ago) link

Secretary of State for Education Michael Gove in a speech to the think tank Policy Exchange said public sector unions "want to provide a platform for confrontation just when we all need to pull together".

Yes, let's all pull together at least until we sack you. Fair?

The new Economic and Fiscal Outlook published by the Office for Budget Responsibility includes a forecast that total job losses across the UK public sector will reach 710,000 by the first quarter of 2017, compared with the first quarter of this year.

That's a huge increase on the previous forecast that around 400,000 jobs would be lost between the first quarter of this year and the first three months of 2016, and indicates that the public sector is going to suffer even more pain than expected.

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 29 November 2011 14:35 (ten years ago) link

There's not a single picture where George Osbourne doesn't look like a total bastard, is there?

yes this is the real (snoball), Tuesday, 29 November 2011 14:56 (ten years ago) link

otm, it's kinda worse, like a bastard who knows he is a bastard and is having to kinda repress it or try to hide it or own it

Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:11 (ten years ago) link

How's your local strike going? Lots of people out round the Town Hall and various governmental buildings on my way to work. Strikers outside various colleges and uni type buildings in Central London.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 10:52 (ten years ago) link

Saw some strikers outside Pentonville Prison, but that was it. I want a badge or a sticker but there's no public sector workers near where I work.

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 10:54 (ten years ago) link

I'm running a tab to see which Labour MPs come out with the hedge-iest hedging statements of trying to support strikers while toeing party lines (or maybe trying to maintain union support while selling them out quietly round the back, YMMV)

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 10:59 (ten years ago) link

This cheered me up though. Get it up youse, Liberal + Tory bastids.

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:09 (ten years ago) link

this strike is mint btw, might get dressed and pop to the shops for some bread in a bit

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:02 (ten years ago) link

Greetings comrades. I did a chilly hour on the picket line this morning. There was a surprising amount of support from passing motorists, especially bus drivers.

The Artist Formerly Known As Teh HoBB, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:08 (ten years ago) link

PMQs: '"Mr Cameron says Mr Miliband backs the strike now - unlike earlier - "because he's left-wing, irresponsible and weak".'

LOL that's desperate

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:26 (ten years ago) link

"Whereas he is right-wing, responsible and rub"

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:33 (ten years ago) link

Consistent twattery is always better than finally seeing sense and bowing to the actual stated wishes of yr constituents, right?

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:34 (ten years ago) link

Breaking News Prime Minister David Cameron says the strike "looks something like a damp squib", quoting reports suggesting 40% of schools are open, less than a third of the civil service is on strike and only 18 Job Centres closed.

On the other hand, the underlying principles of the strike have earned a massive increase of support from the general public over the last few days.

Still, that's the DM's front-page soundbite sorted.

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:36 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, reckon Cameron + those Liberal traitor cunts Clegg hadn't even considered the possibility that the GBP might support the strikers, suggests troubles lie ahead for our wonderful, historic, Coalition

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:40 (ten years ago) link

Then again, they are probably looking forward to the 'glorious Thatcher years' where they stay resolute in the face of massive unpopularity from the people they never liked in the first place.

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:44 (ten years ago) link

Nah, the middle classes never turned against Thatcher

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:48 (ten years ago) link

Was not meaning the middle classes.

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:30 (ten years ago) link

lol iran by the way.

“The ‘British hand’ is said to be behind every major event of the past 150 years,” said Abbas Milani, a professor of Middle Eastern studies at Stanford University. “The Americans are seen as naïve malleable tools in the hands of the Brits.”

caek, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:05 (ten years ago) link

(xp) I know that, what I mean she never lost her popularity with her core voters, this lot might

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 15:37 (ten years ago) link

(xp) LOL yes, saw a documentary about My Uncle Napoleon once - the main character is virulently anti-British - and they mentioned a famous Iranian saying when you trip over a rock or something, "An Englishman must have left it there".

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 15:43 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

caek, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 15:44 (ten years ago) link

things iran hates in increasing order:

zion
america
britain
the bbc

caek, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 15:45 (ten years ago) link

and where does Radiohead fit into that list?

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 15:46 (ten years ago) link

Death to Mumford and his sons

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/62925/thumbs/s-IRAN-large.jpg

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 15:49 (ten years ago) link

now there's a fatwah i could get behind

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 15:50 (ten years ago) link

Brighton march was pretty good - ended up at the rally with a beautiful rainbow above us, awww.

Illia Rump (emil.y), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:16 (ten years ago) link

A lot of these sorts of stories on the BBC recently, wonder why that is?

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Monday, 5 December 2011 16:45 (ten years ago) link

Dobbed in by her ex, who obviously didn't have a lot of qualms about going away with her in the first place.

los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Monday, 5 December 2011 16:53 (ten years ago) link

This is more like it

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:36 (ten years ago) link

"Benefit fraud takes money away from the most vulnerable."

.. and that's the Govt's job.

Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 12:47 (ten years ago) link

But then again....

Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 13:33 (ten years ago) link

can't afford our own thread tbh

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 03:07 (ten years ago) link

lol wot a bunch of legernds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Jdq_nZXNg

James, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 14:09 (ten years ago) link

Shithole of a country

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 15:23 (ten years ago) link

... more detail here

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 15:24 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I wonder why people would blame lazy scroungers and think that benefits enable people to live in luxury. I wonder indeed. *cough*dailymail*cough*fuckingtorypropaganda*coughcoughcough*

Illia Rump (emil.y), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 15:36 (ten years ago) link

*cough* the BBC *cough* every fucking political party incl. Labour

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 15:41 (ten years ago) link

*cough* otm *cough*

Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 16:14 (ten years ago) link

Our tabloid press may be staggering towards its death but its divide-and-rule mission will have been fully accomplished by the time it finally pops its clogs.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 16:20 (ten years ago) link

Haha, yeah, I just couldn't be bothered to do the entire coughing fit. Though it should be pointed out that I consider much of what comes from the Labour party to be 'fucking Tory propaganda' anyway.

Illia Rump (emil.y), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 16:29 (ten years ago) link

Labour's approach now tends to be "hmmm no one's listening to us on this maybe if we just say what the Tories are saying then we might get elected a bit?" See recent movement from Blue Labour to Black Labour whatever the fuck they're supposed to mean.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 16:35 (ten years ago) link

the shame of it is that if there are hearts and minds to be won then the welfare state and the benefits system are pretty easy to defend. by dragging itself into the PR mire, constantly focus-grouping and trying to guess at a public mood instead of campaigning around a set of policies borne out of conviction, the Labour party has lost its reason to exist, beyond the ability of any in-party group to resurrect it imo. the longer the Party represents nothing but the interests of the woolly Right, the further Right it'll slide. if there are still conviction Leftists within the Party now it's time for them to breakaway.

since none of this is gonna happen i'd suggest we've got a lot more than 6 years of misery to go.

Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 17:24 (ten years ago) link

^^otm

silver lining: our current politics inspires marina hyde to write like this:

It is now clear that the tuition fees U-turn was merely the gateway drug to the big one. Clegg is now mainlining U. His story arc is like some Westminster version of Trainspotting, featuring grotesque scenes of personal degradation in pursuit of what must surely now be an ever-diminishing high. Perhaps a physicist would care to get in touch to explain whether there is a theoretical point at which a being has switch-backed on so many positions that he might simply atomise, leaving nothing but a thin coating of yellow dust and a pair of shoes he never grew into.
...
Of more ghoulish fascination, though, is the next Lib Dem manifesto. What could this document possibly include? There are whole areas that in any sane universe it would be literally too embarrassing to mention, and given that these include major planks of what used to be called Liberal Democrat policy, such as Europe and education, I've genuinely no idea where they'll go with this one. Blank pages? Something nice and inclusive about fish? The mere fact of something appearing as a Liberal Democrat manifesto pledge has come to symbolise that it is terminally doomed as an idea. Perhaps the best way to eradicate poverty would be to draft up a Lib Dem manifesto commitment to perpetuating it.

<3 <3 <3

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/09/david-cameron-europe-raspberry-nick-clegg

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 9 December 2011 15:17 (ten years ago) link

They'll just write "We promise to make the Tories less nasty and right-wing" across twelve pages in really big print.

Matt DC, Friday, 9 December 2011 15:40 (ten years ago) link

Of more ghoulish fascination, though, is the next Lib Dem manifesto. What could this document possibly include? There are whole areas that in any sane universe it would be literally too embarrassing to mention, and given that these include major planks of what used to be called Liberal Democrat policy, such as Europe and education, I've genuinely no idea where they'll go with this one. Blank pages? Something nice and inclusive about fish? The mere fact of something appearing as a Liberal Democrat manifesto pledge has come to symbolise that it is terminally doomed as an idea. Perhaps the best way to eradicate poverty would be to draft up a Lib Dem manifesto commitment to perpetuating it.

lol, this is excellent, had not even considered how they would suggest that people vote for them, had just concentrated on how people would not

Never translate German (schlump), Friday, 9 December 2011 15:43 (ten years ago) link

Painting, attic, botox, selling yr soul to the devil... sprinkle into jokes as you see fit.

rekeningopnemer (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:25 (ten years ago) link

Nick is the sensitive type, writing tear stained letters back to Mummy about how horrid the other boys in his dorm are to him, Dave's a "roarer, a rogerer, a gorger and a puker"

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:26 (ten years ago) link

Westminster School vs. Eton

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:28 (ten years ago) link

Westminster boys tend to be better adjusted but Eton boys are weirder in bed?

rekeningopnemer (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:29 (ten years ago) link

Wait I didn't say that.

rekeningopnemer (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:29 (ten years ago) link

This hasn't come up yet?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/shortcuts/2011/dec/12/david-cameron-full-bladder-technique?intcmp=239

Cameron, it is said, used his tried-and-tested "full-bladder technique" to achieve maximum focus and clarity of thought throughout the gruelling nine-hour session in Brussels. During the formal dinner and subsequent horse-trading into the early hours, the prime minister remained intentionally "desperate for a pee".

sean doily, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:30 (ten years ago) link

Sounds like an overheard conversation at a Tory Party conference (xp)

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:31 (ten years ago) link

Cameron, it is said, used his tried-and-tested "full-bladder technique" to achieve maximum focus and clarity of thought throughout the gruelling nine-hour session in Brussels. During the formal dinner and subsequent horse-trading into the early hours, the prime minister remained intentionally "desperate for a pee".

He'd left his pissboy, young Nick, at home

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:33 (ten years ago) link

i'd've thought the full bladder technique wd be offset by his full of shit technique

Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:33 (ten years ago) link

Full bladder technique, yup. Like I said, Eton boys are ~weird~ in bed.

rekeningopnemer (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:33 (ten years ago) link

Is that really going to help your negotiating position? If I'd been holding it for as much as a couple of hours I'd basically be willing to give Sarkozy anything he asked for just to get out of the room.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:43 (ten years ago) link

Nine hours, he's asking for trouble on the prostate front there.

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:45 (ten years ago) link

Hmm, sounds like he gave him nothing, just so he could get out of the room.

Jilted John and Marsha (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:46 (ten years ago) link

does seem to indicate that if you're ever engaged in tense negotiations with Cameron then a swift blow to the abdomen cd have hilarious consequences

Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:53 (ten years ago) link

If only Laws and Clegg hadn't held Vince Cable back and he'd connected that time during the coalition talks...

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:56 (ten years ago) link

wait what, re: full bladder technique

why are our politicians such massive weirdos

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 12:00 (ten years ago) link

though actually it's one of those stories that just makes you feel a lot better about yourself

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 12:00 (ten years ago) link

The fact that we have a PM who thinks that Enoch Powell is someone to *emmulate*... but at least we know the sources of those metphors, then. Rivers of Blood? Rivers of piss coursing through his mind, more like.

rekeningopnemer (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 12:02 (ten years ago) link

Nine hours, he's asking for trouble on the prostate front there.

We can just hope.

Billy Dods, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:26 (ten years ago) link

Perhaps this CD would be of use for background listening during future negotiations:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61HR60NNAHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

brony island baby (case spudette), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:27 (ten years ago) link

Expect more Euro bashing and Enoch Powell evoking if this is anything to go by.

http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/n9x15djpsk/YG-Archives-Pol-Sun-results-141211.pdf

Ned Trifle, Thursday, 15 December 2011 09:39 (ten years ago) link

nice to see no evidence of a North/South divide there

Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Thursday, 15 December 2011 09:41 (ten years ago) link

xp Having said that - interesting disconnect between voting intention and "disapproval of Government"?

Is it "I don't like it so it must be good for me"?

Ned Trifle, Thursday, 15 December 2011 09:42 (ten years ago) link

or a percentage of the disapprovers are disapproving cos the gov isn't right wing enough

Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Thursday, 15 December 2011 09:46 (ten years ago) link

Not enjoying the voting intention percentages, but I am enjoying that 50% of people who voted for Clegg in 2010 believe he has no redeeming qualities

brony island baby (case spudette), Thursday, 15 December 2011 11:44 (ten years ago) link

Striking that Labour have a healthy lead with every age group apart from the over-60s. Shame they're the only people who vote.

The Artist Formerly Known As Teh HoBB, Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:03 (ten years ago) link

Twisted old bastards

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:05 (ten years ago) link

wow i hadn't picked that up, man a nice long cold winter cd completely decimate the Tories' support

Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:06 (ten years ago) link

REPEAL THE WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE

Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:06 (ten years ago) link

"They don't like it up 'em, the EU"

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:11 (ten years ago) link

On those numbers could the LDs get wiped out in scotland?

Ed, Thursday, 15 December 2011 17:36 (ten years ago) link

Fingers crossed. Lots of their 'star' MPs are from Scotland.

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Thursday, 15 December 2011 17:40 (ten years ago) link

Most of their Scottish voters are on the right, so I imagine the SNP and (possibly) the Tories would benefit.

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Thursday, 15 December 2011 17:42 (ten years ago) link

wow i hadn't picked that up, man a nice long cold winter cd completely decimate the Tories' support

― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:06 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

REPEAL THE WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE

― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:06 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

:D

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 17:47 (ten years ago) link

HOPE!

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 December 2011 17:47 (ten years ago) link

Sixty years of free health care, free bus travel and discounts at the National Trust tea shop and this is how they repay you...

Ned Trifle, Thursday, 15 December 2011 19:09 (ten years ago) link

Disappointing night for Bus-Pass Elvis supporters

Amusing (intentionally?) quote from Simon 'Scumbag' Hughes:

"What happened here was what normally happens in a by-election. People protest against the government, so government parties take a hit and the opposition normally moves forward."

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Friday, 16 December 2011 09:55 (ten years ago) link

Lib Dems - 1,364 (5.87%)

Much lower than the 9-11% they've been polling nationally for the past year.

mortified of ILX (onimo), Friday, 16 December 2011 11:11 (ten years ago) link

They've changed that article - originally the Tory quote came from the defeated candidate (I think) and was along the lines of 'well, it's a good result because people said we were going to get hammered and that hasn't happened'. Except there was a swing of 8.6% from the Tories to Labour (which would give Labour an 88-seat majority if repeated nationally), the Labour lead over the Tories was over 26% and they got almost double the Tory vote in a seat which the Tories held in the 90s, and less than 8% of the electorate could be bothered to vote for the Tories. I know it's only a by-election and the result means nothing in the long-term, but it's still a shit result for them.

The Artist Formerly Known As Teh HoBB, Friday, 16 December 2011 12:51 (ten years ago) link

(which would give Labour an 88-seat majority if repeated nationally)

is so meaningless it doesn't even deserve saying with the "i know this means nothing" caveat

caek, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:28 (ten years ago) link

28% turnout. Turnout in Homs was probably higher.

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Friday, 16 December 2011 13:29 (ten years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16224394

boxedjoy, Friday, 16 December 2011 23:30 (ten years ago) link

"I'm saying something obnoxious that will piss you off, but I'm trying hard to say it in a way that won't piss you off. However that just pisses you off even more."

yes this is the real (snoball), Friday, 16 December 2011 23:43 (ten years ago) link

Describing himself as a "committed" but only "vaguely practising" Christian

So which is it then, hypocrite or fucking liar?

Seed Production Scientist cum Head (Julie Lagger), Saturday, 17 December 2011 10:16 (ten years ago) link

The bible contains plenty of both. Cameron would have fit right in.

yes this is the real (snoball), Saturday, 17 December 2011 10:19 (ten years ago) link

Sir Peter Lytton "Baz" Bazalgette (born on 22 May 1953) is a British media expert who helped create the independent TV production sector in the UK and went on to be the leading creative figure in the global TV company Endemol.

Hongro4AS (nakhchivan), Saturday, 31 December 2011 01:05 (ten years ago) link

It is the second year running that the former Prime Minister spent Christmas Day separated from her children in her elegant London home. Although increasingly forgetful, it will surely have been obvious to her that she was spending the festive period without her children, right, once again.

Hongro4AS (nakhchivan), Saturday, 31 December 2011 17:41 (ten years ago) link

Who would want to spend Christmas with Mark and Carol Thatcher?

In other news: worldwide MJpopcorn.gif shortage (snoball), Saturday, 31 December 2011 18:30 (ten years ago) link


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