Huntsman would definitely have a good shot in a general, but I just can't see him coming from 1% to win the nomination. It seems so incredibly improbable, and not improbable in the way Gingrich's ascension has been--i.e., someone who actually once was a Republican hero, and whose worst rhetorical excesses sort of match up well with the Tea Party.
― clemenza, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
it's improbable because Huntsman is not entirely insane
really the person who has to be the angriest about what's going on with the Republican polls is Santorum
― OH NOES, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
improbable because the entire GOP race is a search for the "one" to challenge romney, and huntsman is too close to romney -- in demeanor, reasonableness, moderate opinions, religion, and so forth -- to be suitable.
no, someone like newt, who embodies and gives voice to the anger, fear and resentment on the right, is the right guy for that job.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 December 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
I'll bet he's frothing right now. xpost
― JmC (step hen faps), Monday, 5 December 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
santorum's at fault for his failure to gain traction. he doesn't seem presidential. it's an issue of demeanor and gravitas.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 December 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
but maybe if he started wearing a ronald reagan mask at all campaign appearances . . .
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 December 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
― OH NOES, Monday, December 5, 2011 2:25 PM (2 minutes ago)
― JmC (step hen faps), Monday, December 5, 2011 2:27 PM (8 seconds ago)
Hoping for postcampaign stories about trails of anger-trashed hotel rooms in IA and NH.
― William (C), Monday, 5 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
it's hard to know what huntsman really expects or expected, he came out of the gate insulting the GOP base
― slandblox goole, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
santorum's a social moralist in an economic moralist world. this election isn't gonna be about buttsex, so,
― iatee, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
xp The base is anti-Beefheart across the board.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
there's been a boomlet in the commentariat of "huntsman is really pretty right wing" with a side of "how is the press so convinced he's a republican liberal despite this??" and the answer is because that's how he portrayed himself! duhhh
― slandblox goole, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
also his last boss was obama
― iatee, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
Sullivan posted this today:
"One time we were having sex, and I was looking up at the ceiling, thinking about, 'What am I going to buy at the grocery store tomorrow? What am I going to do with my kids tomorrow?'" - Ginger White on The Hermanator Experience.
And Herman? "9....9.....NINE! NINE! NINE! NINE!!!!!!!"
― clemenza, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
xpost -- And it really comes down to that.
Base: "WE NEED SOMEONE WHO SHARES OUR LOATHING."
Huntsman: "What's the point of that?"
Base: "F.U."
Lather rinse repeat
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
and despite all this, I still find him getting the nominee more realistic than double-digit poll lead gingrich
― iatee, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Monday, December 5, 2011 8:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
the morbius post writes itself
― slandblox goole, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
people pay good money to have well-connected 'centrist' whiners around, i think huntsman is in it for the (long-term) money as much as cain or anybody was
― slandblox goole, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
This sums up Huntsman's prospects quite well (and some more encouraging news for Newt dreamers):
http://www.gallup.com/poll/151325/Republicans-Gingrich-Romney-Acceptable-Nominees.aspx
― clemenza, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
nah I don't buy that, dude's father is a billionaire, he doesn't need CNN airtime appearance money or bookdeals
― iatee, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
i'm thinking more of that former-senator uberlobbyist type of circuit, not that kind of thing.
― slandblox goole, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
eh that's still chump change
― iatee, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
(for someone w/ a billionaire dad)
― iatee, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
but...the power!!!
http://northstarchronicle.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/tom-daschle-fashion-icon.jpg
― slandblox goole, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
I am going to have nightmares about those glasses.
― Nicole, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
after obamacare those will be the only glasses permitted
― slandblox goole, Monday, 5 December 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
they need to have wipers on em
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 5 December 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
Daschle needs to go full-on steempunk
― JmC (step hen faps), Monday, 5 December 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
This new Ron Paul ad is so Axe Body Spray:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXCZVmQ74OA
― polyphonic, Monday, 5 December 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
just coming here to post that. i love this ad!, at least until we actually hear ron paul, whose voice doesn't match the tenor of the ad.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 December 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
well, it's over. really no point in having this sham of a primary season. bring on the general.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 December 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
Perfect. Chuck Colson's endorsement to follow.
All this special pleading for Huntsman all of sudden--Sullivan's linked to five or six pieces, most improbably/laughably Erick Erickson--have these people come to the conclusion that Romney can't win the nomination, or are they starting to think Romney can't win the general?
― clemenza, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
are they starting to think
why start now, amirite?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
Newt says Pelosi's threat is a "a fundamental violation of the rules of the House." You got that? Not just a violation, but a fundamental violation. In the Newtonian cosmology, that's bad--real bad.
(CNN commentator says Gingrich is cagily picking a fight with the Republican base's second--maybe even first--most hated Democrat.)
― clemenza, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
meanwhile, whooop here it is (donald trump on the TODAY show).
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 December 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
Newt Gingrich is the only potential candidate set to attend the debate
lol
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
"But in this case, this guy really is! This guy is different than you have experienced before."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Dgl9acPZo
― clemenza, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
oh, this is tooooooooo good (romney speaks french, for two-minutes; GOP base will loooooove that).
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 December 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
release this, unadorned, as an ad in every red state.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 December 2011 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
Irony aside, some of the rest of that Iowa speech is reasonably astute analysis.
― clemenza, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
everytime i see huntsman speaking chinese i just like him more :-/
― river wolf, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
yes yes. please, everyone, post the "romney speaks french" video everywhere you can.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 December 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
donald trump interviewed by chuck todd, from this morning.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
okay romney 'speaks french' in the same sense that dubya 'speaks spanish'
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
what's weird is before now I assumed mormons were all really good w/ language cause they attempted a hardcore immersion thing when abroad, but apparently huntsman speaks intro-chinese too
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
to be fair, mandarin is much harder
― q: are we not bel biv men? a: we are bel biv devo (m bison), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
Govenor Romney parle français très bon.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
no doubt - I could never learn chinese - but huntsman gets a 'fluent in chinese!' in every article about him when there's a lot of evidence to the contrary
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
oh for real? I guess I just assume that Chinese is so hard that seeing a non native speaker demonstrating any aptitude is p impressive
― river wolf, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2011/10/is_jon_huntsman_fluent_in_chinese_.html
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, December 5, 2011 6:36 PM (2 hours ago)
this is incredble
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link