2012 GOP Presidential Campaign -- "This individual's going to accuse me of an affair for an extended period of time."

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OK, we need a primary thread in this here sandbox.

― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, November 28, 2011 5:35 PM

so be it.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 22:48 (nine years ago) link

please media, leave herman cain alone. stop being mean.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 22:55 (nine years ago) link

poor hermie

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 November 2011 22:59 (nine years ago) link

Herman's dead--he sleeps with the fishes. We have to start planning strategy for Newt, Daniel, some way to Newtralize his Newtness long enough for him to get past Iowa.

clemenza, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:00 (nine years ago) link

from politics thread:

I don't know...effective, but too early, looks panicky. And in a poor economy, I think the flip-flop strategy will cause massive shrugging. I also suspect, as unfair as it may be, that for a number of voters, Democratic flip-flopper (i.e., Kerry) = weak, spineless, but Republican flip-flopper = pragmatic, has no choice but to head-fake all the wingnuts.

― clemenza, Monday, November 28, 2011 5:34 PM (20 minutes ago)

I think it's a mistake to group all 'flip-floppers' (barf) together. in a lot of ways 'spineless' vs. 'pragmatic' is actually pretty accurate when it comes to kerry vs. romney!

I don't think the flip-flop tag (or swift boats) lost kerry the election, but otoh I think it stuck because he couldn't sell a better narrative. he wasn't aiming for 'pragmatist' (after the primaries at least). romney might, but the question is more whether that's gonna sell to the base than to swing-voters. even after he gets the nomination, he can't step too far to the left w/ the currenct gop.

iatee, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:03 (nine years ago) link

my motto: LET NEWT SURGE

btw, robert reich tweets this prediction about the general-election:

@RBReich
Robert Reich 2012 race: Romney/Rubio vs. Obama/Clinton.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:04 (nine years ago) link

Anyone want to give a Britisher the low-down?

Where I was:

No-one actually likes Romney so they tried-

Texan who is rubbish at public speaking

Pizza guy who is an awesome meme

-so I guess it is because to Romney? Or did Cain recover some how?

big popppa hoy, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:05 (nine years ago) link

'because to Romney'? my inability to type properly added to being able to smell fried onions all day makes me wonder whether these are early warnings i'm having a stroke.

big popppa hoy, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:06 (nine years ago) link

no now it's the speaker of the house from the 90s

everyone sorta hates him but he's 'smarter' than the other guys who aren't romney

and he has so much ugly shit on his resume that it all sorta cancels out for now

iatee, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:06 (nine years ago) link

romney v. gingrich.

if gingrich falls, romney v. perry.

if perry falls, romney v. cain.

if cain falls, romney v. bachmann.

if bachmann falls, romney v. sant-- oh, never mind.

if bachmann falls, look for jeb bush to emerge from behind the curtain at the GOP convention.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:06 (nine years ago) link

lol at how much the gop are publicly not backing the guy who will eventually be their candidate. just give up and give it to him and use these 5 years to build a proper dude.

big popppa hoy, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:08 (nine years ago) link

everyone sorta hates him but he's 'smarter' than the other guys who aren't romney

setting a high bar here.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:08 (nine years ago) link

how far down the list until jesse ventura has a chance?

big popppa hoy, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:09 (nine years ago) link

he's right below santorum.

figuratively.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:09 (nine years ago) link

considering that this cheerleader pyramid began w/ donald trump, jesse venture prob could have had his moment in the sun if he had wanted it

iatee, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:10 (nine years ago) link

Oh, I want Newt big-time, believe me--that's why I want him to stay out of his own way.

It is amazing to watch Cain (on CNN right now). He reminds me so much of when a quiet, credible student will tell me that some other student--maybe somebody who lies with great regularity, who's in trouble all the time--is doing something wrong. "Why are you doing this?" "I'm not." "Oh--*****, who never says two words, just decided to make this up for no reason?" "Yes."

clemenza, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:11 (nine years ago) link

cain should really draw from that funny-or-die skit. he should compile a list of each-and-every adult women in the U.S. who has never accused him of harassment or an extra-marital affair, and then insist on reading it -- top-to-bottom -- the next time a journalist mentions the accusations.

this has the added bonus of taking up a lot of time. he could make it even better by saying "999!" between each name.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:14 (nine years ago) link

999 as in the emergancy telephone number? oh wait that is 911 in america. 999% percent?

big popppa hoy, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:19 (nine years ago) link

999 is the best economic plan for the 99%, as proven by science, 99 out of 100 times.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:20 (nine years ago) link

By the way, I think Gingrich's immigration bombshell in the last debate was (besides amounting to basic decency) political genius. I don't think it'll cost him much--he'll either win Iowa or he won't, regardless--but it would be a huge advantage if he ever got to a general, and it goes a long way towards getting the media on his side.

clemenza, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:35 (nine years ago) link

he'll either win Iowa or he won't

i will wager $1,000,000,000,000 that this is true.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:36 (nine years ago) link

I don't think it'll cost him much

it will definitely cost him if he keeps it up

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:38 (nine years ago) link

he's already begun defending himself against it, e.g., his silly "citizen counsels will decide which undocumented-persons will stay and which undocumented-persons will go" proposal.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:39 (nine years ago) link

yeah for sure, this is not a free lunch

iatee, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:39 (nine years ago) link

That's about how much he got from Freddie Mac, right? What I mean is his immigration stand won't ultimately decide whether he wins or not...I don't think so; if he sticks with it, what he loses on the one hand from the heartless-bastard side of the party, he gains on the other by contrasting himself with Romney's equivocation. (Just saw him on CNN, and he repeated almost verbatim what he said at the debate: that you just can't rip apart families who've been here 25 years.)

clemenza, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:41 (nine years ago) link

what he loses on the one hand from the heartless-bastard side of the party,

this is the only side of the party

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:43 (nine years ago) link

or, at the very least it's the only side of the party that votes in primaries

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:44 (nine years ago) link

well, i think gingrich can innoculate himself on the issue to some extent, at least vis-a-vis romney.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:44 (nine years ago) link

newt and rove are smart enough to know that you can't win elections on racism forever, but that 'heartless-bastard side of the party' is aka 'the gop base'

iatee, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:44 (nine years ago) link

You gotta have some faith in people. (I learned that from Mariel Hemingway in *Manhattan*.)

clemenza, Monday, 28 November 2011 23:44 (nine years ago) link

(speaking of good material for the next round of "romney flip-flop" ads)

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:45 (nine years ago) link

okay, 61 calls from cain to this new accuser.

sadly, she is going to be dragged thru the mud. there's already stories circulating about how she is in financial distress and has faced evictions and bankrupcies over the past 20 years.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 November 2011 23:49 (nine years ago) link

she shld blame herself for not being rich iirc

big popppa hoy, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 00:24 (nine years ago) link

“Rather, this appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults - a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public. No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life.”

lol

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 00:31 (nine years ago) link

It's too bad no one seems to use the word 'bloviator' any more. It would be a perfect fit for His Newtness.

Aimless, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 00:34 (nine years ago) link

i love how whenever you see a picture of herman cain now it's capturing him in the middle of some denial, joining the scene in media res while he fans the flames of a new allegation. he's always defensively poised, half-impatient half-indignant

Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 29 November 2011 00:34 (nine years ago) link

u r addicts. someone tell Newt.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 01:45 (nine years ago) link

surely Obama is on the heartless bastard side of the Dems, no?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 01:46 (nine years ago) link

surely.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 01:47 (nine years ago) link

my 10 year-old daughter just said herman cain should compose a song to respond to the allegations of infidelity.

he does have a marvelous singing voice.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 01:57 (nine years ago) link

I already joined Newt's 2016 street team.

also Ditka is gonna be vp, you heard it here first

by (mennen), Tuesday, 29 November 2011 04:14 (nine years ago) link

I was hoping that a Google search of "Newt's Street Team" would return some really cool images, but no luck.

http://www.allwwewrestlers.com/Mean_Street_Posse.jpg

clemenza, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 12:16 (nine years ago) link

oooh i saw a recent picture of the mean street posse the other day. if it weren't for joey abs looking exactly the same, i'd have had no idea it was them though.

(picture has been saved for future 'seeing 'taker in a pet shop: hal(o)l of fame wrestlers pictures thread', no need to blow my load herre)

big popppa hoy, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 14:34 (nine years ago) link

cain is going to drop out of the race very soon. watch for it.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:09 (nine years ago) link

Gingrich already trying to re-establish how much he hates Mexicans lol

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:11 (nine years ago) link

English as the "official language", support for draconian anti-immigration state laws etc

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:11 (nine years ago) link

cain 're-assessing' his candidacy.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:12 (nine years ago) link

“He is not thinking of dropping out of the race,” Gordon added. “He is simply reassessing the state of the campaign. We intend to be full speed ahead.”

Yeah, he'll be out by Thursday, at the latest.

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:24 (nine years ago) link

u guyz are a Roman Colosseum crowd

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:25 (nine years ago) link

Gingrich is really into "brain science." You know, because he's so smart. Which will help him, you know, destroy Obama in the debates. That smart smart Obama.

illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Friday, 30 December 2011 21:11 (nine years ago) link

This'll be everywhere today:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Lb9hisd60bE&fs=1&hl=en

The echo of Hillary in New Hampshire is...well, not that he deserves as much, but I'll resist easy shots.

I still think--assuming monstrously-rich is the story of Romney's tax returns--that the best timing is to get it out there now. (Money at that level is an abstraction to me, but I'm guessing he's worth much more than 50 million.) Is there a point at which a candidate is legally obligated to release his or her returns?

― clemenza, Friday, December 30, 2011 3:39 PM (32 minutes ago)

how touching, kinda surprised he didn't kick her to the curb when she became sick like he did with his first wife

k3vin k., Friday, 30 December 2011 21:13 (nine years ago) link

Cliffs would be helpful on posts like this.

Gingrich, talking about his mother, got choked up like Hillary in New Hampshire four years ago.

Donna Brazile was just on CNN talking about Romney and his tax returns--it's not his wealth, she said, it's a question of how much he's paying in taxes. So: she's either keeping tabs on this thread, or--can't be true--there's some co-ordination of talking points going on.

clemenza, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:40 (nine years ago) link

Follow-up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/12/us/politics/12romney.html

The article's from 2007, but I'm going to hazard a wild guess that he's done okay the past four years.

clemenza, Saturday, 31 December 2011 00:08 (nine years ago) link

Santorum thrives in Iowa

brb, getting this tattooed on my torso in gothic script

ABSTRACT: is my heart. A stranger (schlump), Saturday, 31 December 2011 15:29 (nine years ago) link

http://nynerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/rick-sanctorum.jpg

Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 31 December 2011 15:32 (nine years ago) link

aaaaaaaahahahahaha

Z S, Saturday, 31 December 2011 18:05 (nine years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/if-i-were-campaigning-for-president/2011/12/30/gIQAP1oERP_story.html

Palin's turn is worth it for the very carefully placed "whatever" and "gripin'."

clemenza, Saturday, 31 December 2011 19:27 (nine years ago) link

That Santorum family picture just kills me every time it comes back around.

It looks like a still picture out of Arrested Development.

Mom- "this is just not going to fly"
Daughter 1- "dad is so lame"
Son - "man I am so high"
Daughter 2- "please lord destroy this world"

guy in balcony running sound "wtf did he really say that?"

earlnash, Sunday, 1 January 2012 09:13 (nine years ago) link

his wife's mouth is an overlooked treasure in that photo that i've lately come to appreciate

Stevie, Sunday, 1 January 2012 12:37 (nine years ago) link

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/12/ron-pauls-abortion-problem.html

But in signing the pledge, Paul may have ended up doing himself nearly as much harm as good. Alone among the signatories, Paul appended a “clarifying statement” in which he reiterates his opposition to banning abortion on the federal level.

who says he's not prepared to be president? he's already issuing signing statements

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:12 (nine years ago) link

remember how I once said I didn't know many Ron Paul supporters irl amongst my friends?

i was wrong :(.

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:15 (nine years ago) link

i'm a little tired of hearing the whole debate 'if we didn't have to pay taxes, we'd be able to afford health care"

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:17 (nine years ago) link

Greenwald on progressives' Paul/Obama "evil evil evil" fallacy:

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:24 (nine years ago) link

Ron Paul's abortion position:

...he supports federal action to define life as beginning at conception, but doesn’t want to ban abortion at the federal level, saying that it should be left to the states.

This position is just weird. His fealty to state's rights borders could more accurately be termed fellatio.

Aimless, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:35 (nine years ago) link

the idea that abortion should be a state decision is fucking horseshit. shouldn't be anybody's decision.

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:39 (nine years ago) link

just will make the current conditions where it's hard to get em in the midwest even more difficult when huge pockets of territory ban it

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:40 (nine years ago) link

i gave this one a good go, but Greenwald is so fucking asinine. how many times does he have to repeat his premise that you can support an individual candidate's stance w/out endorsing the candidate? he has no evidence that you cannot do so, so he's really tilting at windmills here.

Mordy, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:44 (nine years ago) link

check it out: i agree w/ ron paul's policy of ending the war on drugs

i do not endorse ron paul for president.

holy shit, someone call up Greenwald and tell him!

Mordy, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:45 (nine years ago) link

yeah for fuck's sake I agree with a lot of his platforms (and disagree with a lot of others)...wow mindblowing greenwald!

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:03 (nine years ago) link

so, no diff from Bam

youre oversimplifying his central point.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:13 (nine years ago) link

or misidentifying it really. (He's just pointing out that others have SAID he has endorsed Huntsman or Paul when he has not)

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:14 (nine years ago) link

hes just pointing out that people are holding him to the same standard he always holds them to, the crazy enraged ninny

Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:17 (nine years ago) link

imagine glenn greenwald not understanding really simple things http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2011/12/ron-paul-not-civil-libertarian-last.html

Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:20 (nine years ago) link

cool that Katrina vanden Heuvel supports ron paul's race war platform

t. silaviver, Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:22 (nine years ago) link

that's actually an excellent essay by gg there, if you can deal with his breathless style, which I can't always. it's in some ways an expansion of that yglesias post i linked yesterday: that a paul nomination might actually be the best scenario for liberals because it'll both push Obama (presumably) to the left on these issues and all but ensure his re-election in a general

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:42 (nine years ago) link

greenwald was caught up in an idiotic twitter beef yesterday, which tangentially involved a poster here too. his coldness and seeming aversion to social norms is one of he reasons i vastly prefer him when he's writing about law/policy rather than "politics", but still he's spot on in that essay

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:48 (nine years ago) link

to clarify it was gg who was being idiotic, not the beef itself

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:49 (nine years ago) link

The thing I loathe most about election season is reflected in the central fallacy that drives progressive discussion the minute “Ron Paul” is mentioned. As soon as his candidacy is discussed, progressives will reflexively point to a slew of positions he holds that are anathema to liberalism and odious in their own right and then say: how can you support someone who holds this awful, destructive position?

He needs to stop making assertions that are clearly based on his own anecdotal evidence (or worse, just shit he imagined). Ron Paul has more liberal support than any other Republican candidate, and any cap on that support is due to the very distinctions GG is spelling out. Dude who supports going back to the gold standard is never going to get wide cross-party support no matter how great he may be on other issues.

Mordy, Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:49 (nine years ago) link

yeah i also hate his meta columns: the audience for columns like this are like the twelve fellow journos he beefs with on twitter

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:52 (nine years ago) link

I thought Greenwald would kick it on New Year's Day, lying on the grass in sandals with his boyfriend.

Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:54 (nine years ago) link

that photograph still haunts my dreams

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:54 (nine years ago) link

http://www.out.com/sites/out.com/files/GlennGreenwald1.jpg

Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 January 2012 22:07 (nine years ago) link

aw

Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 1 January 2012 22:08 (nine years ago) link

The dog on the left is "Addington," his boo's is "Russert."

Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 January 2012 22:09 (nine years ago) link

cool cargo shorts

t. silaviver, Sunday, 1 January 2012 22:14 (nine years ago) link

the very same people who in 2004 wildly cheered John Kerry

Oh yes, who cold forget Kerrymania? Everyone was putting JK pictures in their trapper keepers, women were pissing their pants when he spoke at the Iowa County Fair. It was a crazy time for sure.

spent all of 2008 mocking John McCain’s wealthy life courtesy of his millionaire heiress wife and will spend 2012 depicting Mitt Romney’s wealth as proof of his insularity

Yes, democrats kept a laser-like focus on this one issue for all of 2008.

That combat experience is an important presidential trait was insisted upon in 2004 by the very same people who vehemently denied it in 2008, and vice-versa.

lol this totally did not happen.

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 1 January 2012 22:45 (nine years ago) link

I think the main slogan for Kerry's campaign might as well have been "You should see the OTHER guy"...

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 1 January 2012 22:51 (nine years ago) link

I kinda feel like gg's columns become much better when you imagine him saying, "or whatever you know what I mean," after every assertion.

Mordy, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:00 (nine years ago) link

lol he likes ron paul lol

Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:02 (nine years ago) link

I am sure this has been discussed before but wow his bf should be out of his league no?

esp considering gg's personality

iatee, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:05 (nine years ago) link

but but he is famous blogger!

Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:12 (nine years ago) link

I caught the last 10 minutes of Gingrich's press conference today--New Year's or no New Year's, attention must be paid to the gossipy horserace--and it was encouraging for anyone still living the train-wreck dream. He's not going to win, but it does appear ready to go down in flames. There was a great moment where his inner Nixon got the better of him: acknowledging that Romney's ad-barrage had driven him down to low double-digits, he fairly hissed that "If I'd spent three-and-half million dollars going after Romney, he'd be down to 3%."

clemenza, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:20 (nine years ago) link

it = he

clemenza, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:21 (nine years ago) link

I am sure this has been discussed before but wow his bf should be out of his league no?

esp considering gg's personality

I know, right? Otoh, this picture should give all single people hope because if GG can pull a hot piece like that, theoretically anyone can.

Nicole, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:31 (nine years ago) link


Given the concerns I have for some of the Republican field’s focus thus far, I must implore the candidates to do something that sounds self-promoting, but whatever. Candidates, please turn to Chapter Three of “Going Rogue” and read what it takes for our country to step toward energy independence. Note the lesson I share in the same chapter about taking on the “elite,” the crony capitalists and the permanent political establishment to get a job done.

The "but whatever" is the touch that spins this straw into gold.

Nicole, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:34 (nine years ago) link

I am sure this has been discussed before but wow his bf should be out of his league no?

thatsracist.gif

illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Monday, 2 January 2012 00:36 (nine years ago) link

gonna miss you on ilx gman

caek, Monday, 2 January 2012 00:48 (nine years ago) link


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