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Eric H., Monday, 28 November 2011 15:26 (seven years ago) link

Tintin is funny, so you will hate it?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 28 November 2011 15:45 (seven years ago) link

No, but odds are I will find War Horse funnier.

Eric H., Monday, 28 November 2011 15:47 (seven years ago) link

both figure to be funnier than Crazy Stupid Mush.

btw there is a big hunk of a Tintin book Crab with the Golden Claws shoehorned into this one, so you nerd-purists can start bitching.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 28 November 2011 15:49 (seven years ago) link

Didn't laugh more than once or twice during CSL that I can remember, but that didn't diminish the things I liked about it.

Eric H., Monday, 28 November 2011 16:03 (seven years ago) link

it was aiming to be something besides funny? that is, aside from its horrific reinforcement of heteronormative monogamy?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 28 November 2011 16:20 (seven years ago) link

I don't hate heterosexuals as much as you do, I guess.

Eric H., Monday, 28 November 2011 16:20 (seven years ago) link

Either that, or I missed all those scenes where characters said how awesome it was that they were married and straight and everyone should try it sometime.

Eric H., Monday, 28 November 2011 16:21 (seven years ago) link

Plenty of worse reinforcements of heteronormative monogamy, starting with the new Clooney film that Morbz likes.

Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 November 2011 16:42 (seven years ago) link

I gleaned the themes by why ppl are smiling in the last scene, EH. (And c'mon, I generally hate gays much more, myself included. And Sl4nt's pan was written by a het along those lines.)

I did not "like" Descendants very much, goddamn you, I said it was "not bad."

...btw Stuart Klawans raved in The Nation about the Marxian themes of the new Timberlake thriller. Obv Soto should go!

Dr Morbius, Monday, 28 November 2011 16:49 (seven years ago) link

Your self-pity doesn't absolve you, Morbs.

Eric H., Monday, 28 November 2011 17:00 (seven years ago) link

then I will have to say 50 Acts of Contrition.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 28 November 2011 17:07 (seven years ago) link

(but making a dirty-sitcom Parenthood is nuch the greater sin)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 28 November 2011 17:10 (seven years ago) link

True. Parenthood was perfect (and occasionally dirty) as it was.

Eric H., Monday, 28 November 2011 17:18 (seven years ago) link

tsk

in some ways Tintin reminded me of the good elements of 1941

Dr Morbius, Monday, 28 November 2011 17:21 (seven years ago) link

My favorite scene: a nude Keanu Reeves fondling Dianne Wiest.

Or is that another Parenthood?

Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 November 2011 17:24 (seven years ago) link

.btw Stuart Klawans raved in The Nation about the Marxian themes of the new Timberlake thriller. Obv Soto should go!

I have Cuban blood and am hence immunized against that menace. Marxism too.

Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 November 2011 17:25 (seven years ago) link

against Timbo?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 28 November 2011 17:30 (seven years ago) link

For Immediate Release, please:

New York Film Critics Circle
to Announce Awards via Twitter Tomorrow

November 28, 2011 -- The New York Film Critics Circle will be announcing their awards during their annual vote via twitter, please follow the handle @NYFCC2011. The vote will take place at 9:30am EST tomorrow, Tuesday, November 29th, at the Walter Reade Theatre at Lincoln Center. The awards will be handed out at a ceremony on Monday, January 9, 2012.

Says chairman John Anderson, “We were looking forward to voting on Monday, November 28th, but due to conflicting schedules, we have made the decision to move back a day to ensure all of our voters have the opportunity to see all of the eligible films.”

Dr Morbius, Monday, 28 November 2011 20:30 (seven years ago) link

Not actually all that perturbed that they're going to miss Steven Daldry's newest because of this.

Eric H., Monday, 28 November 2011 20:33 (seven years ago) link

Tree of Life and Beginners deemed equally great.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/11/gotham-film-awards-best-movie.html

Eric H., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 04:42 (seven years ago) link

Saw War Horse this morning. Kinda loathed it.

Simon H., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 05:11 (seven years ago) link

Were you expecting not to?

jaymc, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 05:15 (seven years ago) link

I try not to expect anything! Which helped make Hugo a nice surprise.

Simon H., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 05:16 (seven years ago) link

I'll take that as a sign that I may like War Horse.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 12:57 (seven years ago) link

I was going to post this on the *J. Edgar* thread last week, but I'll put it here. David Thomson's review perfectly captures my own feelings about how dreary Eastwood's film is:

http://www.tnr.com/article/film/97434/j-edgar-eastwood-decaprio-fbi-drag

And he makes note of something I was thinking about too, why Stone's *Nixon* is the much better film: "Oliver Stone’s *Nixon* has many faults, but it is charged with unbridled psychotic energy such as was needed here."

clemenza, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 13:05 (seven years ago) link

ha, have fun spotting / guessing the (ill-conceived) Basterds reference in War Horse, Morbs.

Simon H., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 13:11 (seven years ago) link

I won't, but I'm guessing it could be a reference to something ripped off by Tarantella.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 14:58 (seven years ago) link

Oh, and this is going on now: https://twitter.com/#!/NYFCC2011

Margin Call won for best first feature.

Eric H., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:21 (seven years ago) link

I am looking fwd to House of Pleasures, which just opened here:

http://www.artforum.com/film/id=29607

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:23 (seven years ago) link

wrong Herzog film for Best Doc

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:37 (seven years ago) link

(But I'd put at least 3 others ahead of either WH. It helps to be a brand.)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:40 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, pretty tepid pick.

Eric H., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:45 (seven years ago) link

@ArmondWhite is enjoying the moment.

Eric H., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:46 (seven years ago) link

NYFC awards announced today, no?

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:46 (seven years ago) link

too early to follow the thread, eh?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:49 (seven years ago) link

Too old to follow Twitter.

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:53 (seven years ago) link

i caught margin call & take shelter recently & didn't really like either (the latter was intermittently affecting but sorta frustratingly linear, & overscored to shit, for me), having sorta expected to on account of the way they've been talked about since coming out (like almost as a 'wave'). does anyone here rep for them?

also thought shannon's performance in TS was even MORE remarkable & transformative if you thought he was actually joshua jackson

Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:58 (seven years ago) link

& yeah into the abyss creams COFD

Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:59 (seven years ago) link

I kind of liked J. Edgar. I guess it would have been more melodramatic if he was more of an evil madman and less of a consummate bureaucrat, but I'm not sure if it would have been more historically accurate. It seems like a lot of the criticism of the film is that it's too evenhanded. People wanted a movie that would expose the rotten heart at the core of the American state security apparatus, but they got something which kind of justifies the existence of such apparatus. I guess I went into the movie with low expectations, but it kept my interest up for 2+ hours, and I didn't feel like my intelligence was being insulted.

I thought Margin Call was okay, but kind of overrated.

o. nate, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 15:59 (seven years ago) link

I guess I don't consider Margin Call overrated cuz the critics I read didn't think much of it.

35 mins since last tweet (Sarris bathroom joke here)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 16:10 (seven years ago) link

Take Shelter is an intense experience thx largely to Shannon, but I didn't care for all the Nightmare on Elm St frissons, and esp the ending(s) (the storm shelter AND the beach).

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 16:12 (seven years ago) link

Jessica Chastain wins the Tracy Flick award for most involvement.

Eric H., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 16:17 (seven years ago) link

Best Supporting Actress: Jessica Chastain for Tree of Life, The Help and Take Shelter

OK, I had no idea she was in The Help! Woulda picked Redgrave maybe, for Coriolanus -- which Chastain is also in! -- if not Jeannie Berlin or Edie Falco.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 16:18 (seven years ago) link

Apparently it's now a yearly tradition for the NYFCC to give Meryl Streep an award.

Eric H., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 16:30 (seven years ago) link

Margin Call is a decent film overrated by Gleiberman-Ebert types who miss English-language "adult films."

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 16:31 (seven years ago) link

Freudian!

NYFCC2011 NYFCC2011
Correction: for "The Iron Lady"
57 seconds ago

NYFCC2011 NYFCC2011
Best Actress: Meryl Streep for "The Lady"

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 16:31 (seven years ago) link

I guess I don't consider Margin Call overrated cuz the critics I read didn't think much of it.

I was mainly thinking of the A.O. Scott review. I mean I thought it was a crisply efficient thriller, and it struck the right mood - the mixture of cynicism, fear, and greed seemed authentic - but the plot was a bit thin overall, and was there any point to the sick dog other than to make us sympathize with the head trader?

o. nate, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 16:32 (seven years ago) link

alfred and ryan: it is really a lot better when you look at the horse as nothing more than a tool. spielberg actually makes very few attempts to make you care about it as a 'character'; it really just serves as an unwitting tour guide through devastation-of-war vignettes. dissimilar to au hasard balthazar in that way imo.

a collection of gruff, big-balled boasts (zachylon), Friday, 30 December 2011 06:47 (seven years ago) link

I'm irritated when ppl get weepy about a fucking horse when there are scores of human corpses onscreen. PETA sucks too.

The trick to making an asshole interesting is make him seem calm and rational

Didn't see any assholes in this film.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 December 2011 07:26 (seven years ago) link

we saw it for jew christmas, and my mom who is a decades-long veg/animal rights freak (who would possibly disown me if she ever learned i eat meat) was seriously traumatized for at least an hour afterward. she said "i didn't care about the fucking horse, it was everything else." a movie about WW1 shouldn't seek to inspire anything less than that sentiment.

a collection of gruff, big-balled boasts (zachylon), Friday, 30 December 2011 07:46 (seven years ago) link

I'm irritated when ppl get weepy about a fucking horse when there are scores of human corpses onscreen

YES, this. I keep saying this to people and they think it's strange.

Simon H., Friday, 30 December 2011 08:35 (seven years ago) link

im not sure they're mutually exclusive. besides, though i haven't seen this, the whole point of an animal protagonist is to basically elicit the pathetic fallacy. it's like a stand in human, who can feel pain and fear and not have any larger understanding as to why. it's certainly a perfect representation of what happened to people in world war 1.

ryan, Friday, 30 December 2011 15:56 (seven years ago) link

Excepting that I bet most people knew "why."

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Friday, 30 December 2011 16:03 (seven years ago) link

sure, though there are varying levels of "why" i guess. anyway, i'll shut up until i see it.

ryan, Friday, 30 December 2011 16:04 (seven years ago) link

the whole point of an animal protagonist is to basically elicit the pathetic fallacy. it's like a stand in human

yes -- but it didn't work here.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 December 2011 16:05 (seven years ago) link

Still better than pretty much everything else that's gonna get a BP nod.

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Friday, 30 December 2011 17:08 (seven years ago) link

not convinced that it will or that The Tree of Life won't.

just watched My Snooze with Marilyn. Estimated % of its viewers who will ever see The Prince and the Showgirl?

hey Branagh, yer way more lumpyfaced than Olivier.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 December 2011 18:25 (seven years ago) link

Branaugh was the only thing that got me through that movie. Aside from the gofer's pillowy lips.

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Friday, 30 December 2011 19:18 (seven years ago) link

AMPAS likes war movies (e.g. the only Malick movie to get a BP nod so far).

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Friday, 30 December 2011 19:19 (seven years ago) link

wd pay to see Branagh-as-Larry gay movie, but who wd play Danny Kaye?

Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 December 2011 19:20 (seven years ago) link

Larry the Cable Guy

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Friday, 30 December 2011 19:21 (seven years ago) link

Branagh was awful.

Estimated % of its viewers who will ever see The Prince and the Showgirl?

Bless them!

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:51 (seven years ago) link

The Prince and the Showgirl is as tin-eared as this thing, at least.

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:52 (seven years ago) link

I guess there will be a wave of I-spooned-with-a-legend-during-a-forgettable-movie-shoot memoirs now.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:57 (seven years ago) link

are you trying to cast the Michelle Williams-Heath Ledger biopic now?

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:01 (seven years ago) link

The Artist was cute

gukbe, Saturday, 31 December 2011 01:08 (seven years ago) link

like a dead kitten.

Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 31 December 2011 01:40 (seven years ago) link

naw it was kinda charming, but Rise of the Planet of the Apes was a much more engaging champion for the cause of vocal chords.

Cosmo Vitelli, Saturday, 31 December 2011 02:36 (seven years ago) link

TTSS is not the best movie to watch with a buzz. I don't know what the hell just happened in that one.

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Saturday, 31 December 2011 03:31 (seven years ago) link

Let's hope Trollhunter is more my speed.

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Saturday, 31 December 2011 03:32 (seven years ago) link

got my hands on UK horror-thriller Kill List; a little too familiar in some ways (the climax splits the difference between a couple of genre touchstones), but damn if that last 20 minutes didn't give me heart palpitations.

― Simon H., Thursday, 29 December 2011 04:01 (2 days ago) Bookmark

Cannot understand the praise this is getting. I thought it completely incoherent. Obviously everything wasn't meant to spelled out but the various twists and tonal shifts just didn't add up to anything, and for all the shocking content i never once felt scared or engaged beyond a sort of mild curiosity as to how (and why) this thing got made.

Number None, Saturday, 31 December 2011 03:56 (seven years ago) link

i loved TTSS despite being lost myself (especially in the last 10 minutes or so) but when i read the wikipedia description of the plot it all seemed pretty straightforward. this leads me to think that part of the brilliance of the movie is that it's able to so strongly suggest that something else is happening other than the explicit plot. im not exactly putting that right, but there's definitely a sense that there's some hidden depth to it.

anyway, i really liked it a lot. reminded me of Zodiac in that it's a kind of 70s style movie with little to no action that feels very lived in. i cant wait to watch it again.

ryan, Saturday, 31 December 2011 05:59 (seven years ago) link

My feeling regarding TTSS is that Alfredson gives you roughly the minimum visual information needed to piece together the plot specifics, but not much more. I appreciate that very much,

Simon H., Saturday, 31 December 2011 06:02 (seven years ago) link

re: Kill List; it basically winds up as a 21st. cent. Wicker Man rehash, but that's still one more idea than most movies of its ilk, and I found the climax well-rendered.

Simon H., Saturday, 31 December 2011 06:04 (seven years ago) link

TTSS felt like it was throwing information (exposition, maybe) at you early on, but it all came together really clearly for me. I love that the moment at the end with Strong and Firth had a lot of heft to it because of seeing a polaroid earlier.

gukbe, Saturday, 31 December 2011 06:10 (seven years ago) link

Heh, Shame in stark contrast to TTSS in that nothing is left unclear at all. What a rotten movie. One and a half pretty great performances totally wasted.

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Saturday, 31 December 2011 07:09 (seven years ago) link

And bear in mind, I hate sex a whole lot.

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Saturday, 31 December 2011 07:21 (seven years ago) link

A Separation was pretty tremendous. I guess that disqualifies it from winning the Oscar then.

gukbe, Saturday, 31 December 2011 07:25 (seven years ago) link

And now I've just realized that it was Ebert's #1 movie of the year, so it'll probably be roundly despised around here.

gukbe, Saturday, 31 December 2011 07:28 (seven years ago) link

More ire will and should be directed at his #2.

Detrius of Life (Eric H.), Saturday, 31 December 2011 07:36 (seven years ago) link

I was planning to see it tomorrow, though I'm not looking forward to it.

gukbe, Saturday, 31 December 2011 07:53 (seven years ago) link

fuck this TTSS, and Alfredson come to think of it. He's been both outremade and pulled off a superfluous rehash.

Dr Morbius, Saturday, 31 December 2011 14:51 (seven years ago) link

some people seem to think A Separation is the first really good Iranian film ever (ie, troglodyte blogger Jeff Wells).

Dr Morbius, Saturday, 31 December 2011 14:52 (seven years ago) link

yeah, i'm happy enough to see it as a safe, memorable, efficient & worthy #1 for this year, to see it praised, &c; but it doesn't actually stand out for me as a new or unusual film, against the backdrop of other social iranian drama - i think to some degree i'm reminded of panahi just bc it's iran, the urban scenes, &c, but it's v much in that tradition i think, getting under the surface of things in this roaming, weary loop. it is an excellent film & so masterfully woven & paced - like i think someone mentioned hitchcock - but so are a bunch of things, going back ten years

ABSTRACT: is my heart. A stranger (schlump), Saturday, 31 December 2011 15:25 (seven years ago) link

Its probably my favourite foreign nu-release since 4 weeks, 3 months... and a really great melodrama (they don't come round often so treasure them).

Wd be weird for anyone to say its the first great Iranian film since there's one or two of them knocking about every year; and then there are guys like Kiarostami around.

xyzz, Saturday, 31 December 2011 16:05 (seven years ago) link

i sorta assume it's people assuming it's the first great iranian film from a position of ignorance, i can't imagine anyone repping for it over the canon. i think about 4 months sometimes, i guess i will get back around to catching some of the new czech/related stuff this year - aurora, if it ever opens, & once upon a time in antolia - but it did seem like a really balanced wave. 4 months got the aesthetics of depicting a place without veering into pure appealing optics totally right - a v beautiful looking film but very restrained, in the right register.

ABSTRACT: is my heart. A stranger (schlump), Saturday, 31 December 2011 16:31 (seven years ago) link

I prefer all the Panahi I've seen to A Separation. By a fair amount.

Simon H., Saturday, 31 December 2011 17:40 (seven years ago) link

I think its one of the best Iranian films I've seen, then again I can't say I've seen more than 20. What would the canon be? xp = interesting, love to see more by him.

xyzz, Saturday, 31 December 2011 17:44 (seven years ago) link

Austin Film Critics Association:

Best Film:
Hugo
Best Director:
Nicolas Winding Refn, Drive
Best Actor:
Michael Shannon, Take Shelter
Best Actress:
Tilda Swinton, We Need to Talk About Kevin
Best Supporting Actor:
Albert Brooks, Drive
Best Supporting Actress:
Jessica Chastain, Take Shelter
Best Original Screenplay:
Midnight in Paris, Woody Allen
Best Adapted Screenplay:
Drive, Hossein Amini
Best Cinematography:
The Tree of Life, Emmanuel Lubezki
Best Original Score:
Attack the Block, Steven Price
Best Foreign Language Film:
I Saw the Devil, South Korea [dir: Jee-woon Kim]
Best Documentary:
Senna [dir: Asif Kapadia]
Best Animated Feature:
Rango [dir: Gore Verbinski]
Robert R. "Bobby" McCurdy Memorial Breakthrough Artist Award:
Jessica Chastain, Take Shelter/The Tree of Life/The Help/The Debt/Coriolanus/Texas Killing Fields
Best First Film:
Attack the Block [dir: Joe Cornish]
Austin Film Award:
Take Shelter [dir: Jeff Nichols]

Top 10 Films:
1. Hugo
2. Drive
3. Take Shelter
4. Midnight in Paris
5. Attack the Block
6. The Artist
7. Martha Marcy May Marlene
8. I Saw the Devil
9. 13 Assassins
10. Melancholia

Tumblr Whites Off Earth Now!! (Sandbox Grisso-McCain), Saturday, 31 December 2011 20:37 (seven years ago) link

Best Original Screenplay:
Midnight in Paris, Woody Allen

Best Original Screenplay:
Midnight in Paris, Woody Allen

Best Original Screenplay:
Midnight in Paris, Woody Allen

Best Original Screenplay:
Midnight in Paris, Woody Allen

Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 31 December 2011 20:39 (seven years ago) link

ugh that top ten.

ryan, Saturday, 31 December 2011 22:43 (seven years ago) link

at least #8-10 can be defended

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 01:20 (seven years ago) link

picking Rango over Tintin = trying too hard

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 01:20 (seven years ago) link

A couple dozen folks give their best moments of '11:

http://www.movingimagesource.us/articles/moments-of-2011-part-1-20111230

http://www.movingimagesource.us/articles/moments-of-2011-part-2-20111230

I would co-endorse The Trip DVD as having the best deleted scenes of the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGqj3WbHDvA&feature=player_embedded

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 09:11 (seven years ago) link

You should watch the tv version. Three hours worth

Number None, Sunday, 1 January 2012 14:21 (seven years ago) link

I believe all the footage excised for the theater version is on the DVD extras.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 16:01 (seven years ago) link

I watched Weekend: was disappointed by the poignant ending and a couple of the conversational riffs but otherwise a terrific film, precise in depicting the ways in which gays feel most uncomfortable when our straight friends are being most accommodating, and photographing these men in their flats in twilight.

Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 2 January 2012 16:37 (seven years ago) link


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