reagan: war-on-drug__________________a marvelous achievement this is― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, December 27, 2011
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a marvelous achievement this is
― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, December 27, 2011
alfred speaks like a man holding a whole sheet of lsd drops on wax-paper.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
clinton: state children's health insurance program; adoption and safe families act; foster care independence act
this is pretty pathetic next to the far-reaching implications of previous term's successes: telecomm act, welfare reform, changing FDA rules, NAFTA, reversing the Glass-Steagall act, Commodity Futures Modernization Act Family Medical Leave Act, DOMA...
this is reminding me how much I kind of hate Clinton
xp
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
Bush II wasn't a "20th century president" btw
― macarena of time (step hen faps), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
this is pretty pathetic next to the far-reaching implications of previous term's successes: telecomm act, welfare reform, changing FDA rules, NAFTA, reversing the Glass-Steagall act, Commodity Futures Modernization Act Family Medical Leave Act, DOMA..
...raising the top rate by nearly 9 points, EITC expansion, community block grants...
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
there you go.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
Noam Scheiber @noamscheiber -- What I appreciate about Ben Nelson: He spent lots of time making Dem policies crappier to aid re-election to a seat he's giving up. Thanks!
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
sounds about right
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
That's certainly a fair characterization of what actually happened. But I might suggest that his intent was to make Dem policies sufficiently politically palatable for his and perhaps others' reelection, and that he/Obama ultimately failed in that regard. Not knowing him personally, I can't say.
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
Public support of HCR has turned up now that it's beginning to kick in, but it's too little too late for many in Congress, which is why they feel abandoned by the WH.
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
The WH should have fought back against the Tea Party attacks on health care better, but the DNC and others should have also. Nelson and others who changed it in an alleged effort to make it more politically palatable and then failed to stand up for it themselves did not help in the gaining public support realm
― Another Suburbanite, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
Public support of HCR has turned up now that it's beginning to kick in
lol how is this remotely true, this is counter to all the polling data I've seen reported as recently as last week
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
53% support repeal of HCR
― I am womansplainer hear me roar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
Nelson and others who changed it in an alleged effort to make it more politically palatable and then failed to stand up for it themselves did not help in the gaining public support realm
yes but they helped themselves in the "cravenly begging for support" realm.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
a second-term obama can aim high, since he doesn't have to worry about re-election. i'm not saying he will, but it's certainly possible
Jesus God Almighty, you people are literally posting my old jokes.
Nixon term 2: "Peace with honor" in Vietnam; detente w/ USSR; save my phony-baloney job
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
(xpost) If you track the numbers on that chart going back a year, when they often showed repeal up in the high-50 and into the 60% range, there does seem to be some improvement. I also assume there's some overstatement in general, being a Rasmussen poll.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
this is a dirty lie.
got this one from dennis perrin.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
The WH should have fought back against the Tea Party attacks on health care better, but the DNC and others should have also.
One and the same, really, but you're right on both scores.
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
The problem with selling HCR to the public is that the one provision that everyone knows about and thinks they understand is the requirement to be covered, which most people perceive as negative. The only positive provision that most people know about and understand is the elimination of exclsusions for pre-existing conditions.
As far as I can tell, the other 98% of the bill is too technical for most people to understand or too marginal for them to care about - so that even when they hear about those parts they forget about them an hour later.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
The problem with selling HCR to the public is quite possibly that the administration hasn't spent much time doing it, or doing it well. That's understandable from the perspective that they had other agenda items to work on, but less so, perhaps, from a political perspective.
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
does dennis perrin know he's a meme on ilx?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link
I always forget that obama passed "universal health care" lol
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 December 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
I just looked at his site for--yes--the very first time, and what do you know, I've read his book on Michael O'Donoghue.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
I always forget that if Obama had just been a cagier negotiator--if he'd started out by demanding an outright ban on guns, dismantling of the Pentagon, and free gay marriage for everyone--he could have then worked his way back to a much better deal.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
c'mon clemenza - gabbnab is back. u can just be the wild gossipy political horserace fiend you've always wanted to be and leave the obama apologetics to him.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
Duly shamed, I shall skulk away.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
And to think, I defended you on that thread about which words were permissible and which weren't...I want a refund!
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
:(
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
Maddow really "killing it" tonight.
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/culture/5519/top_2011_religion_stories_that_weren%E2%80%99t
all pretty interesting in a political sense
― slandblox goole, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
6 is the most directly worrying, 3 is the most scary to me personally, based on where i grew up, and i had absolutely no cognizance of 2!
― slandblox goole, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
we should poll the five points
― max max max max, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
i guess total depravity is kind of the clear winner
we have enough metal poll threads i think
― slandblox goole, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
hehee
― max max max max, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
2. Judaism and Real EstateNo one to my knowledge has written authoritatively in mainstream publications lately on the intensity of internal conversations about the essence of Judaism at a time when more and more Jewish leaders appear willing to follow the ultra-Orthodox in sacralizing the possession of land. There's an argument going back decades—back at least to Richard Rubenstein’s 1966 After Auschwitz—on the theological/ethical problems relating to land possession. Mainstream media show us the fanatics, of course, but they don’t show us the extent of Jewish unease with land mania.
No one to my knowledge has written authoritatively in mainstream publications lately on the intensity of internal conversations about the essence of Judaism at a time when more and more Jewish leaders appear willing to follow the ultra-Orthodox in sacralizing the possession of land. There's an argument going back decades—back at least to Richard Rubenstein’s 1966 After Auschwitz—on the theological/ethical problems relating to land possession. Mainstream media show us the fanatics, of course, but they don’t show us the extent of Jewish unease with land mania.
I don't think this is real, unless he is trying to obliquely refer to settlements in Israel w/out explicitly discussing it.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i wondered. i really doubt a writer for this magazine would use the phrase "land mania" to stand in obliquely for (settler) zionism, but who knows. has there been a real estate crisis in israel as well? those protests in the summer were about the stagnant economy but like i said i am unaware of anything like this at all.
― slandblox goole, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
It's also kinda weird to talk about Jews + the ultra-Orthodox w/out saying that you're referring to Israel. Huge communities in the United States + France that this seems to have nothing to do with. Unless you see Kiryas Yoel as somehow being related to this theme (and maybe it is? it's certainly the only example of this I can think of outside Israel).
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
my landlord is jewish
― max max max max, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
i am kiryas yoel
― t. silaviver, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
oh, I bet. Clooney-style clucking about what a "success" Bam has been?
do you think gabbneb painted his torso the night Obama slayed Osama?
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 29 December 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://robertreich.org/post/14932718385
I'm Bill Clinton, and I approved this message.
― clemenza, Friday, 30 December 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
Hello?
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
IF there's a switch, Biden will just be put out to pasture and Petraeus or somebody will be the new SoS.
― God is great. God is good. And people are crazy. Amen. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
Petraeus as SoS? Makes sense in a way, because our army is now the diplomatic arm of our government.
― Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
Has been since 1945.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
Wrong thread probably, but there isn't an economy shitbin here, is there? Related to CORPORATIONS, so I'll chance it.
Anyway, my old old, in Norwegian terms pretty rightwing stepfather loves his Dictums (Dicta?) gathered from a long life, repeated to anyone who will hear at any time. One of them is: "Everyone leading a major corporation seems to have – not necessarily strong, but very clear – psychopathic features".
I've heard this for at least 15 years.
So it's nice to see it Proven By Science, or at least somewhat corroborated. Part of the recruiting process, woah.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
you don't have to be a psychopath to work here but it helps
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
also helps your prison guarding if you're a "bad apple" but it has nothing to do with why prisons are a problem.
― nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
that article is pretty terrible by the way? completely anecdotal, no definition of psychopathology, then pinning a massive systemic problem on it. uhhh
― nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
Yah, agreed. There are sources mentioned, so I guess I should.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link