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And we'll start things off with Paul Krugman's latest:

Yet that’s the less important reason this election is all about party control. The really important reason may be summed up in two words: subpoena power.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 16 October 2006 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, yesterday was "Liberty Sunday", which, as the Rude Pundit puts it, was
where pissy, priggish evangelicals can get their prayer on and intermingle in the barely sustainable queer tension of talking about gay sex with like-minded evangelicals. 'Cause, apparently, if gays get married, now it's actually gonna cause churches to burst into flames and ministers to tear off their own genitals in front of their congregations, who will roll around in the dirt as hidden demons fuck them from behind.

Meanwhile, there's this rundown of certain House races, including Randy Graf, from Arizona. Randy's campaign manager slept with two underage girls, crimes which Randy describes as "no more serious than providing a teenager with a beer." Then there's the guy from Indiana, who wanted to rename Interstate 69 b/c it was deemed, "too risque."

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah, and these two:Curt Weldon - Pennsylvania-07

Curt Weldon is perhaps the lone voice in Congress for conspiracy theorists and others who think outside the box or don't even believe there is a box at all no matter how many government commissions with their "experts" plot to make everybody think there is a box. Believing that "the jury is still out on WMD," he tried to organize his own personal mission to go to Iraq and find them until he was stopped by the State Department. Weldon, who was one of six lawmakers granted the honor of attending the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's "coronation," wrote a book detailing his shadowy correspondence with an Iranian dissident who claims that Iran is about to attack the United States. He also believes the government is covering up the fact that it had identified some of the terrorists responsible for the September 11 attacks before they happened. Although the National Journal wrote an article about him that begins with a quote from Gnarls Barkley's song "Crazy," it's likely that the National Journal is part of some vast conspiracy against him that includes the CIA, the NSA, the 9/11 Commission, the Trilateral Comission, Freemasons and his opponent, retired Vice Admiral Joe Sestak.

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Michele Bachmann - Minnesota-06

Michele Bachmann sincerely wants to help homosexuals deal "with the very real issue of sexual dysfunction in their life.…It's a very sad life. It's part of Satan." She believes that gay marriage is the "biggest issue in 30 years" because "the immediate consequence, if gay marriage goes through, is that K-12 little children will be forced to learn that homosexuality is normal, natural and perhaps they should try it." She also believes that "the number one issue for our country right now, how are we going to deal with this threat of radical Islam." And of public education, she says, "That's my number one issue." Her opponent Patty Wetterling doesn't even have a number one issue, as far as I know, while Bachmann has at least three!

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I like the part where he complains about satire not being properly identified

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 16 October 2006 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

and shit like this where rightwing bloggers are going on Harold Ford's party at the Playboy Mansion and writing shit like

if nothing else it undercuts potential voter worries that Ford is a goodie-two-shoes or -- post-Foleygate, a risk for any unmarried male member of Congress -- gay, which would seem to do his campaign more good than harm.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

another nice Glenn Greenwald bit, about the power of anger & passion, esp. in the campaign of Joe Sestak running about the batshit Curt Weldon, and the Democratic consultants & pundits who told him not to press on the war issue.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

What would you do without hyperlinks and the italics tag, kingfish?

PPlains (PPlains), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link

curse more, of course

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean, what else am i gunna post about? how i worked a film festival two weekends ago and met some cute 6'3" jedi chick that I'm trying to hit on?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

that story's got legs only if she ends up being a dude

bohren un der club of gear, Monday, 16 October 2006 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

right, exactly. So I have fun operating in my "dudes, check this out" mode.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i appreciate it

jergins (jergins), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd rather hear about the Jedi chick.

You post some good links, kf. And we think along the same lines politically. But if I wanted to read metafilter.com, I'd go to metafilter.com.

You're a good guy who probably has much more to add than blue hyperlinks. More zombie pictures and stomach ulcer stories, thnx.

PPlains (PPlains), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, but i consider my editing and maven abilities to be strongers than MF. But I do have more to add: silly photos ripped from the AP wire service. Good for all occasions.

And no stomach ulcer stories from me, tho i will have zombie pics at the end of the week.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Good to hear re: no stomach ulcer stories.

PPlains (PPlains), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

lol


lol, Sunday, 29 October 2006 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link

not yet, anyway

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Sunday, 29 October 2006 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

meanwhile, in (South) American politics, Lula wins a 2nd term in a landslide vote.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Sunday, 29 October 2006 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link

meanwhile, did anybody hear anything about this thing, signed into law a coupla weeks ago?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 30 October 2006 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

on the other hand there's this.

weanmile, Monday, 30 October 2006 03:32 (fourteen years ago) link

the nsfw link there isn't nearly as entertaining as it should have been.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 30 October 2006 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link

has the trading markets thing been linked?
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 12:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Christ, 7 more days before all this shit is over with

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Air America Given Until Nov. 22 To Find Buyer
The "For Sale" Sign Is Out
At a bankruptcy hearing TUESDAY, AIR AMERICA RADIO lawyer TRACY KLESTADT told the court that the network is talking to several possible buyers and hopes to have a deal in place by THANKSGIVING.

KLESTADT said that there is a "significant amount of interest" in the network, which has been given until NOVEMBER 22 to find a buyer, although no potential buyers were identified. The court approved the network's temporary financing plan that requires a deal to be in place by NOVEMBER 22 to allow the financing to continue past then.

Meanwhile, a "no-buy" list of advertisers who have instructed ABC RADIO NETWORKS that their ads not run on AIR AMERICA RADIO is rapidly circulating in the liberal blogosphere. The list of about 100 advertisers is similar to much longer "no-buy" lists for other talk programming, including most top conservative talkers and "shock jocks." MEDIA MATTERS FOR AMERICA and THINKPROGRESS.ORG are among the liberal websites circulating the list.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

hang on. teeny, you were in radio. how does that list work?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

way to fuck up the momentum, mr kerry.

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

enh, whatever. it was a bullshit story for a day, and even guys like Dick Armey are calling it as such.

former WH speechwriter finally lets it all out. Ned linked to that one before, but it's fun to actually read the entire thing, where the guy goes on about his self-proclaimed hatred for Harry Belafonte, et al.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

really good Juan Cole bit about current american politics and the occupation, and what happens when you have NRO-types who didn't know shit then and don't know shit now somehow making grand pronouncement about it all.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Robert J. Samuelson in an WaPo op-ed:

The trouble is that public opinion is often ignorant, confused and contradictory; and so the policies it produces are often ignorant, confused and contradictory

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

no-buys work like you would expect, advertiser doesn't want to be associated with certain shows. Like say Ford wants to reach 18-34 men, they can buy time on a certain show or whatever, or they can go to a network like premiere or abc and get a better deal by asking the network to run their spots in such a way that they would reach x # of guys with y frequency for z dollars--the type of show doesn't matter as long as the desired demographic makes up at least part of the audience. But say Ford doesn't want to associate with Stern, that's a no-buy, they do the contract specifying the spots can run anywhere but Stern.

that thing I quoted above was from allaccess.com, a subscription radio website.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

here's the list: http://mediamatters.org/items/200610310008

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
awwww, Bill Frist ain't gunna for president this time

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

which leaves the GOP field without a Southerner other than the sweaty runner dude, less'n you count Jeb. we're quite likely gonna end up having to play hard on the bluer side of the purple states (but we might also get a better shot at the redder purples too).

The list of about 100 advertisers is similar to much longer "no-buy" lists for other talk programming, including most top conservative talkers and "shock jocks."

and includes an advertiser or two, like REI, that donates 100% to Democrats

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

oh, there's also 'candidate' Gingrich and Condi

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

really? My cousin & his wife works for REI. Hmm.

xp

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

A nice little anecdote, about what happened when Dubya met with senator-elect Jim Webb(whose son is a Marine Lance Corporal over in Iraq).

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

the point is, while some of the businesses on the list advertise on rightwing talk shows or are otherwise conservative-identified, some, like Cingular, avoid such shows entirely.

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

So whatever happened with that cute 6'3" jedi chick?

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Chick had a girlfriend. Figure that one out.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Dodd makes his case for needle-threading

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Hitchens talking to Hugh Hewitt, and Hitchens starts going off about Harry Reid as a mormon, Robert Gates as nominee for SecDef, then just religion as a whole while HH is calling him an "equal-opportunity bigot" etc

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Chick had a girlfriend. Figure that one out.

TESTOSTERONE: IT'S NOT JUST FOR MEN

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Barack Hussein

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

hee hee, the one guy I've ever known named Houssein was an iranian engineering student who played guitar in a local indie group. We'd take breaks from project working sessions to go see shows.

I think he left for San Diego to go work for IBM.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

My podiatrist is named Hussein -- nice guy.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link

so it's pretty safe to say that the hussein talking point = not the most effective in Dearborn.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

The group made up of people who won't vote for Barack Hussein Obama because of his name is 100% a subset of people who wouldn't vote for him anyway.

M.V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link

OTM.

i forgot how far Frist had his dick into that whole SchaivoGate thing until reading that CNN peice.

grady (grady), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

The group made up of people who won't vote for Barack Hussein Obama because of his name is 100% a subset of people who wouldn't vote for him anyway.

that's not how it works - the Hussein thing will be brought out here and there to reinforce other things more relevant to people who don't have their minds made up.

but anyway, I think some other parts of the world might think differently about us if we elect a guy with Hussein in his name.

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link

the problem isn't really that the corporations are run by psychopaths although i'm sure plenty of them are; it's that they are psychopaths and their worldview and value system is totally psychopathic, which would be fine if we hadn't made them the defining institution of our whole socioeconomic system, whoops

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:35 (nine years ago) link

(This being the *sole cause* of anything is obv a massive overreach; the need for attenuated sense of empathy in heads of major corporations seems to me a tautology, sort of.)

anatol_merklich, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:36 (nine years ago) link

if there is indeed a preponderance of psychopaths working at corporations it shouldn't be taken as the source of the problem but just as evidence that the institutions we trust to provide social good are totally fucked in the head

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:37 (nine years ago) link

i read a kinda pulpy book about sociopathy/psychopathy the other day and it was ok but one of the weird things it kept implying was that the nazi gas chamber attendants were psychopaths, when it seems pretty clear that the lesson we should all be taking from the nazis is that it doesn't actually matter if you're a psychopath or not if the entire social system that employs and teaches you is itself irredeemably psychopathic

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:41 (nine years ago) link

dlh XPOST I hear you but NB I do not live in the thread-titular country here; which ones are the "institutions we trust to provide social good"?

anatol_merklich, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:42 (nine years ago) link

oh well to some extent this is global but in america many have decided to believe that The Market is the most efficient and trustworthy source of general prosperity and that the corporations (as the creatures born and evolved in The Market) are the institutions that are best at providing that prosperity and should to some extent actually be the organizational model for society -- the role that other cultures at other times have assigned to the State or the Church or the Party. which all had their problems too of course but at least they were theoretically capable of having values beyond profit and power.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:52 (nine years ago) link

i read a kinda pulpy book about sociopathy/psychopathy the other day and it was ok but one of the weird things it kept implying was that the nazi gas chamber attendants were psychopaths, when it seems pretty clear that the lesson we should all be taking from the nazis is that it doesn't actually matter if you're a psychopath or not if the entire social system that employs and teaches you is itself irredeemably psychopathic

A circular argument, though: social systems are created by men who are...psychohpaths.

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 21:53 (nine years ago) link

right! but once you're in charge you can use your ability to construct the Normal to infect people who would otherwise just be hanging out taking care of their kids. milgram experiment n everything.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:00 (nine years ago) link

so really the rule should just be, don't put psychopaths in charge? which is harder to enforce than you'd think! cuz they're pretty good at taking charge!

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:03 (nine years ago) link

i get what dlh is saying and i don't think it's circular; i think it's just simplistic. that's why i have a problem with convenient labels like "psychopath" in the first place. i know there are definitely people who meet the theoretical criteria of "psychopath" pretty strongly but i think it works better as a description of a tendency or a pole than a state of being.

i want to say something about performativity here but i don't know enough about it other than to say that i think there is a complex sort of interplay going on here that magnetizes certain aspects of people in the context of organizational culture which is shaped by material realities and progress narratives etc etc.

nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:07 (nine years ago) link

Much (not necessarily all) empiricism pretty clear that

i) you gotta find some *really* fucked-up people to torture other people
ii) people that *really* fucked-up aren't extremely hard to come by

:(

anatol_merklich, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:07 (nine years ago) link

xp oh i would agree re: "a tendency or a pole". what we're calling psychopaths here are really just the people in whom the standard human drive to Explore Expand Exploit Exterminate is at its purest -- and this drive has done a lot for us, has contributed hugely to our runaway success as a species, but as pretty much every prophet of every religion has now told us about 829579238592 times it will be what eventually destroys us if we can't give precedence to our concomitant drive, as social animals, to love and empathize and nurture and shepherd, which is the drive psychopaths don't have, or at least don't have much of. and if our social systems are built along psychopathic lines, that second drive withers in lots of normal non-pathological people.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:10 (nine years ago) link

i dunno though i'm making this stuff up.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:10 (nine years ago) link

simplistic undoubtedly.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:11 (nine years ago) link

I'm reading Wodehouse now and am thinking that a world run by Jeeves would be very close to the society in Mein Kampf.

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:11 (nine years ago) link

it's that Auden line re how any society run by artists would be the worst sort of fascism.

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:12 (nine years ago) link

there's a short story narrated by jeeves (bertie takes it into his head to marry and have children, jeeves arranges for a traumatic experience to "cure" this spell of irrationality) that's a really unsettling reading experience, because without any overt acknowledgement of what's happening, jeeves is unmasked as thoroughly evil.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:14 (nine years ago) link

it's called, chillingly, "bertie changes his mind".

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:18 (nine years ago) link

While it's an interesting idea, I think it's probably a little facile to call any single-minded focus psychopathy. And I also think that truly sociopathic traits often become apparent and problematic, whether in politics or business.

Somewhat relevant in more specific fashion to this discussion is Xgau('s conveniently responsibility-free, but not incorrect voice of objection) in an article today:

One advantage of my fluency is that it buttresses my right to voice my disdain for those who turn human beings into abstractions by making abstractions the substance of their private subcultural argot -- who think primarily in numbers. But it also buttresses my admiration for an economist like Chang, who takes care to deploy numbers humanistically.

http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Rock-Roll/Dark-Night-of-the-Quants/ba-p/6525

With respect to vocabulary, I'd echo/respond that you can quantify lots of things in policymaking, but also recognize that some benefits and costs must be considered even if they are unquantifiable.

illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Friday, 30 December 2011 22:24 (nine years ago) link

I'm talking about something different, though, I imagine.

illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Friday, 30 December 2011 22:27 (nine years ago) link

or they have the desire to be non-pathological, to tell themselves that they're doing the right thing! but they've been led along a certain path. it's hard for them to go back, like it is for all of us. so they trick themselves into thinking that they're actually helping people when they aren't. people aren't that smart about themselves, looking at themselves in a larger context. confirmation bias and context create the illusion that a middle manager is doing his best and providing for those who are closest to him. hive mentality in the face of a harsh world. i think it's the same thing with someone directing a waterboarding, or the person following orders during a waterboarding. and i think it'll take some major material crash and burn before we start to 1) realize that we're eating ourselves alive and 2) face the hard-as-hell way out of it.

i guess what i'm saying is i don't think psychopathology/death drive/body without organs/whatever you want to call it can be isolated and quarantined, or i'm suspicious of the move to do that, or i even think that labeling/isolating/blaming can actually be a feature of psychopathology in the first place, or certainly abet it.

xposts

nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:28 (nine years ago) link

btw i didn't mean simplistic as a jeer, i'm totally making all this up too and when it comes down to it i completely agree with you

nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:29 (nine years ago) link

xposts it's not the single-minded focus, it's the literal inability to perceive other living things as anything except sources of profit -- like xgau says, thinking in numbers. to actual clinical sociopaths other people are just pieces to be manipulated in a search for personal pleasure/comfort/power. and like i (sort of) said, i think the majority of corporate executives, even the stereotypical gordon gekko cutthroat raider guys (and gals), are probably totally normal and loving w/ their families and neighbors and naturally value all kinds of things that don't have dollar signs on them. but the machines they serve don't.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:32 (nine years ago) link

so they trick themselves into thinking that they're actually helping people when they aren't. people aren't that smart about themselves, looking at themselves in a larger context. confirmation bias and context create the illusion that a middle manager is doing his best and providing for those who are closest to him.

yeah this is key i think.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:32 (nine years ago) link

making so much up lol. hay out of straw. call it whatever you want, that uhhhhhh "single-minded focus" is definitely fucked up. xxp

nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:35 (nine years ago) link

a middle manager is doing his best and providing for those who are closest to him. hive mentality in the face of a harsh world. i think it's the same thing with someone directing a waterboarding

Outside of the rest of the discussion: I just don't get this part. The responsibility levels seem so different to me. Torture spoken of as somehow equivalent to the place of a middle manager, not, like, an executioner or something?

anatol_merklich, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:37 (nine years ago) link

We're all talking about Dick Cheney and Antonin Scalia aren't we

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:40 (nine years ago) link

well torture, at least as far as i understand how it works currently in the us military, is just as bureaucratically entrenched, with a shared responsibility among many people and policies (some more than others), as fucking people out of their mortgages is. xp

nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:42 (nine years ago) link

the visionary is protecting the nation and the executioner is just following orders.

nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:44 (nine years ago) link

best illustration of how distant people can get from other people w/r/t u.s. military torture is still don rumsfeld's scribbled margin note next to the authorization request for "stress positions" at guantanamo: "i stand for eight hours a day! why only four?"

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:46 (nine years ago) link

(don rumsfeld in general a pretty rich seam for this sort of thing)

difficult listening hour, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:47 (nine years ago) link

rumsfeld is a psychopath

Mordy, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:47 (nine years ago) link

haha otm

nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:49 (nine years ago) link

yah but
but
gnnh

anatol_merklich, Friday, 30 December 2011 22:50 (nine years ago) link

welcome to Indefinite Detention Land btw

(with "serious reservations" of course)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/us/politics/obama-signs-military-spending-bill.html?_r=1&hp

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 09:33 (nine years ago) link

Happy New Year!!!

Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 January 2012 13:35 (nine years ago) link

dexneb can tell us how it was politically necessary.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 16:02 (nine years ago) link

http://news.yahoo.com/republican-candidate-romney-veto-immigration-dream-act-023856783.html

To be fair, his defense of it is pretty sound:

"If I'm the president of the United States I want to end illegal immigration so that we can protect legal immigration. I like legal immigration."

smh

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 1 January 2012 16:24 (nine years ago) link

pandering at its best

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 1 January 2012 16:27 (nine years ago) link

I mean you'd think even the most hardened anti-illegal people would see the 'serve military' caveat in lieu of school and at least appreciate that but noooooo

if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 1 January 2012 16:27 (nine years ago) link

there's a GOP thread

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 18:30 (nine years ago) link

nothing like starting the new year off with a nice hit piece: http://exiledonline.com/failing-up-with-joshua-foust-meet-the-evil-genius-massacre-denier-who-shills-for-war-profiteers/

calling a dude who was bullied a twerp and making fun of his height maybe not the best look but other than that

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 18:32 (nine years ago) link

ive been seeing that feud play out on twitter over the last couple weeks... really hard to take any of these people seriously when they are all so bad at zinging

max max max max, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:03 (nine years ago) link

yeah that dude is trying so hard to be taibbi

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:04 (nine years ago) link

foust is a dick though i remember him being all "occupy wall street should get a job" stick to foreign policy bro

max max max max, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:05 (nine years ago) link

yeah he def seems like an idiot

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:06 (nine years ago) link

heh kev you know that ames and taibbi co-edited the exile for years

max max max max, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:07 (nine years ago) link

no! that explains so much though seriously

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:08 (nine years ago) link

that actual signing statement is like unabashedly evil. "I personally won't use these powers, think they're wrong, but let me sign them into law in case somebody more bloodthirsty than me becomes President at some point"

undervalued aerosmith tchotchkes sold in bulk, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:36 (nine years ago) link

otm

k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:53 (nine years ago) link


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