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jenny, i was boozing it up with val b on wednesday night.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 27 November 2006 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Neat!

We did establish that this is the same person, right?

― Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 November 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Peace in the Middle East FFS!

haha

― JuliaA (JuliaA), Monday, 27 November 2006 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

yes we did.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 27 November 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay.

Neat! I want to drink with Val B one of these days.

― Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 November 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

last two times i've seen her out were wednesday's at delilah's. a mutual friend tends bar upstairs and has his "wednesday night (action/drinkin'/dance/funtastic) party".

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 27 November 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

good for you, sarah! i was about to suggest a beauty school . . . the aveda institute is here, i can't remember what is in chicago besides pivot point.

also: should i join weight watchers? everyone seems to have a WW opinion. could it be a good thing or do i need to merely exercise more & exercise discipline more?

― sweet tater (sweet tater), Monday, 27 November 2006 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never done weight watchers, but it really seems to work for some people. I guess I would try doing whatever you can to motivate yourself first before trying out a program like that.

― Calico (calico), Monday, 27 November 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm trying to use the wedding as a motivating factor in my quest to look/feel better, but what i want is a whole life change. right now i'm just upping the exercise.

― sweet tater (sweet tater), Monday, 27 November 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The thing (for me) that sucks about weight watcher's is I'd have to cut out beer. Of course, that's really my problem with every weight-loss idea. IT'S JUST SO TASTY

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

can i justify squeezing it into the core food program because it has wheat?

― sweet tater (sweet tater), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Perhaps, but I don't really know how it works. All I know is it's really hard to get below 250 for me... something something cause of something something solution to something something.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

You do not have to cut out beer on Weight Watchers! As a matter of fact, WW and I have such a longstanding relationship exactly because it allows for beer. And, if you plan carefully, lots of it.

I like WW as a program. I do not like WW as a company as they tend to really nickle and dime you the fuck to death. And the last six or eight meetings I've been to ended up nothing more than hour-long sales pitches for more WW products.

Getting all that shiny new WW stuff tends to motivate me, though, and there is a benefit to the camaraderie of the meetings.

― Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Whatever you do, don't become one of those creepy "calorie restricted diet" people who think that starvation will help them live longer. Those people give me the willies.

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Like I said, I've never done WW, so I am probably making stuff up. But it seems to me that there is a point system involved, requiring you to look up how many points each food item counts towards your daily allowance. Being a sister of a former eating disorder victim (well, she didn't die, but it was baaaad), I am wary of anything that makes me pay THAT much attention to what I am eating and when. Even keeping a food diary for the Self challenge a while back made me kind of nutso and paranoid. Also, I got incredibly fainty just taking in their recommended calorie cap. I think it's best to try to change your diet and exercise practices for the better in general and try to keep them that way. So I try to eat fairly heathily and walk alot and go to the gym, but I do not count calories or look up points, etc.

HOWEVER, just because I am paranoid of becoming overly obsessed with food, does not mean it is a dangerous program for anyone else.

For example, what Jenny said.

― Calico (calico), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

do you do "points" or "core foods"? also, is it enough to 'join' online or do you benefit greatly from going to meetings?

i'm with you, amanda. i promise i won't. there's no danger of it ever happening, really.

― sweet tater (sweet tater), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Because let me be the first to say that you're lookin' real good now and I would hate to see you in a couple of months looking all Skeletor.

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Amanda OTM.

― Calico (calico), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

According to the WW site, they now have a new "No Counting" plan.

― Calico (calico), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

http://mattpreskenis.com/blog/uploaded_images/count-732896.jpg

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

See y'all later, I'm off to work the night shift at Truman.

Gonna be some sweet sounds [sweeeeet soooounds], comin' down
on
the
night shift

ooooh on the night shift

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

See y'all later, I'm off to work the night shift at Truman.

At first I thought this was about Otto's local.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

you are both very sweet to say such things. i know i'm not overweight, but i'm pretty darn close (according to my BMI). I just don't feel as sexy as i have when i've taken better care of myself. it's really more about that. that, and i want to look like a ripped ho for my wedding.

― sweet tater (sweet tater), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Sarah is correct - you get a "points" allowance for the day plus an extra 35 that you can spread around throughout the week (hence, beer - 3 pts for regular, 2 pts for light). If you exercise, you can add "activity points" to your daily allotment so that means that when you exercise, you can eat more.

Points are calculated based on some complicated algorithm that looks at fat, fiber, and calories and while you do have to look things up at first, it starts to become second nature after awhile. For example, while I am technically not "on program" right now, I happen to know that I've eaten 14 points so far today, including the apple I'm going to eat during class tonight, leaving me 8 for dinner.

I have successfully done WW on line and using meetings, so it really depends on what fits into your schedule. I find meetings to be more palatable when I go with someone I like, but that can backfire, too (see Courtney and I enabling some v. bad food practices for each other) so, yeah.

I think that the potential for exacerbating food obsession is pretty accurate, but if you've got a handle on that kind of thing going into it, you should be okay. Sometimes, like now, I can't handle life stress plus keeping track of everything I eat, especially when I don't have a lot of time for cooking/packing lunch, but I have generally been pleased with WW.

― Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, just how in the hell am I considered obese? I'd believe overweight, but the NIH BMI calculator has just ruined my day... Time to head to the vomitorium.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

The "no counting" plan is their "Core" plan, which means you can eat whatever you want on the "core foods list" without counting it as long as you're not sitting down and eating like, ten avocados at once. You can eat non-core foods, but you have to count them. So you get a free pass for core foods, and 35 points for beer. Er, I mean, non core foods. I have a hard time with the core plan, even though I tend to eat core-ish-ly, because it's just a little too much of a restriction for me. And, as sad as I am to admit it, because frozen dinners aren't core and I kind of rely on those to keep any sort of control over my weight during busy finals time.

― Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

35 points per week, that is.

Dan, you're too groovy to let a stupid calculator ruin your day.

― Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I am barely inside of the "normal weight" range.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a diet that will work.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

BUT AT WHAT COST, KEVIN?

― Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

PUH LEEZE, I'm sure I quality as obese, which just goes to show how insanely stupid those charts are.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Err, *qualify. I always quality.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

monitarily? prolly cheaper than WW licensed stuff.

xpost to jenny.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost Expect nothing less than the best.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Shore nuff! I'm like .2 away from obesity, and while I might be carrying a little extra junk these days it's hardly evidence of our national epidemic. So whatev.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not even putting my numbers in that thing until I recover from Thanksgiving and finals week.

― Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

where's the calculator?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm overweight, no surprise there.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

not surprisingly, i am off the charts underweight.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

lator gators, i'm off to pick up keys in berwyn.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

My BMI is currently 21.7. Just to compare, it was 33.9 when I was at my heaviest.

WW is great. I've lost 90 pounds on it in the last 4 years.

― Jeff... (Jeff...), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, i just ordered some books on amazon about vegan/vegetarian diets. much akin to the "core program" but this will work out better for me. i really want to be able to do 'something' i can stick with for the rest of my life. that, and when i was vegan for 9 months i felt fantastic & was skinnier & slept the best in all my life.

jeff - you are really amazing! seriously! that is a major accomplishment.

― sweet tater (sweet tater), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that's awesome. I think I'm Captain Restraint if I lose ten pounds.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd have to lose about 20 to be in the normal range.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

if i am indeed 5'6" instead of 5'5" i am totally fine. otherwise, i need to lose just one bitty pound. but i don't like being 'on the edge' . . .

― sweet tater (sweet tater), Monday, 27 November 2006 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd have to lose almost 40 lbs and get down to a weight that I haven't been since I was unemployed and almost-homeless and starving. That's just not helpful.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 27 November 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Julia's gmail status got me singing the Talking Heads all darn day. Good thing I like that song...

― Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 November 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

otherwise we would all be TASTING YOUR NAKED WRATH

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 27 November 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

me too. but i like it. i've been grumpy and needed it.

xp oh no!

i think i'm normal weight, which is good for me--i've been on both edges in the past, more recently the underweight one.

― JuliaA (JuliaA), Monday, 27 November 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

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