prison rape

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seriously i doubt most people around these parts think about such things, except as a punchline for a joke, so if you really think you are going to get serious responses to this, you are barking up the wrong tree.

ILE can still sometimes surprise you.

It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"Anyone who WANTS to carry a gun and boss others around IS AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFIED."

OTM.

And weird. I've been saying this - in more-or-less exactly those words - for years. The whole problem with cops & copping is that the attraction-points for the job (unquestioned authority, ability to cause fear in others, gun carrying, supertuff macho/hetero image, permission to use threats & even violence) pretty much guarantee that most people who will want the job shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it.

But as true as that might seem, it's too simplistic. Law enforment officers sometimes need to to communicate threat (a willingness to do real harm) in order to overcome the belligerence of others without actually resorting to violence. And unfortunately, the best way to communicate threat is to be legitimately threatening - i.e., cops have to mean it when they get tough. Therefore, there's a legitimate need for a "thuggish" tendency in certain police officers. Catch-22.

How do you balance the need for genuinely threatening cops (as a violence deterrent) with the simple fact that most genuinely threatening people can't be trusted to montitor and control their own behavior?

as in 'powdered feet' (pye poudre), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The prison system is fundamentally broken. To me, if someone is in prison, it's because they weren't able to work within the rules and need to be shown there are ways to work within the rules and work out a life, or they need to be incarcerated because they've demonstrated that they have no intention of functioning with the rest of society. It should be the adult version of giving someone a "time out," not the equivalent of beating the shit out of them every time they do something bad.

That doesn't even begin to speak to the mentally unwell or mentally incompetent. Yes, having a system of asylums tended toward the "One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest" complex, but many people who would have been there are now either medicated, in jail, or on the street. If you don't have money or the right background, one of the latter two. Finding someone mentally incompetent is seen as letting them off easy, which is ridiculous since being sent to a mental health facility tends on average to result in longer stays than most jail sentences, and it's a form of rehabilitation.

So encapsulating it with "prison rape is bad, huh" and drawing attention by highlighting the anal rape accounts diverts from the real issue -- prisons aren't making anything better, they're just getting more full and destroying lives. Sometimes through inmate-on-inmate violence, sometimes just because it's the wrong place to send people.

mh (mike h.), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

much of this could be prevented if prison cafeterias only served Olestra potato chips

the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

haha

iiiijjjj (iiiijjjj), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Olestra jokes. Reminds me of watching Letterman in 1997 or something. Good times.

iiiijjjj (iiiijjjj), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

well, it would reduce tearage

the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Well yeah, indirectly right? I just thought you meant if everyone's buttholes were inflamed and leaking that the inmates' collective rape-want would be subdued on account of the unsavory circumstances. But you're saying Olestra actually works to toughen anuses up?

iiiijjjj (iiiijjjj), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry, i signed an NDA.

the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I think mike means lubricate.

dan selzer (dan selzer), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh. Seems like regular-fat potato chips would do a better job of that though. Are there any potato chip eating sodomites here that can help settle this debate?

iiiijjjj (iiiijjjj), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I would like to thank the last three posters for making this thread awesome.

Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Regular-fat potato chips don't cause leakage. Olestra chips do. I'm leaving this conversation right now.

dan selzer (dan selzer), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah Olestra chips cause leakage, but does leakage necessarily = lubrication? Diarrhea is mostly a water-based substance! I'm no molecular physicist here, but it seems to me that stool loaded with digested Lay's Sour Cream and Onion potato chips would probably coat the surface of the anus and yield much slicker, smoother physical properties.

iiiijjjj (iiiijjjj), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

the idea is that olestra is a fat-like substance that is not digestible.

Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys are making me so hungry. Stop it!

PPlains (PPlains), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh OK, I get it then. Olestra will lubricate just as well, but also aids in creating a poopier, less enticing anus, therefore establishing it as an equally delicious rape deterrent superior to regular Lay's Sour Cream and Onion chips.

iiiijjjj (iiiijjjj), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Problem solved!

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Pringles® rape

amon (amon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"once you pop..."

amon (amon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/728/3866542623dc0e38155xn0.jpg

(I thieved from you ;___;)

PPlains (PPlains), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I could go for some Flamin' Hot Anal Cheetos, Cool Felch Doritos, or Chili Cheese Corn and Peas Fritos

iiiijjjj (iiiijjjj), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

you should go eat those then

coz larry (bundgee), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

today my coworker showed me pringles with trivia printed on them

jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

You mean, imprinted on the actual Pringle chip itself?

PPlains (PPlains), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i could see doing that in the ridges of ruffles

amon (amon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

yes

jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.ubu.com/film/genet.html

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

(i.e. mandatory minimum sentencing for non-violent criminals)

-- bell labs (lindsay...), February 14th, 2007. (bell_labs)

maybe you and i are talking about different things, but the supreme court just recently deemed unconstitutional the mandatory sentencing guidelines. it happened about 6 months before my date. had it not, i was pretty much surely destined for prison. i don't want to make this thread about me, but damn, that fact still astounds me.

hm (modestmickey), Thursday, 15 February 2007 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't like the idea of prison ape anymore than anyone else. But if Gorilla Grodd continues his crime sprees what choice do we have?

a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Thursday, 15 February 2007 04:20 (seventeen years ago) link

after some googling, i can only find one thing actually being done:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1003&year=2007

a proposed bill in washington state to basically test for HIV in prisons.

here's some wa state conservative blog that is outraged by these "felon friendly" bills by democrats:
http://soundpolitics.com/archives/007997.html

hm (modestmickey), Thursday, 15 February 2007 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link

5 NEW SECTION. Sec. 1. (1) The legislature finds that there is a
6 disproportionately high rate of HIV and AIDS among incarcerated
7 persons. Approximately twenty-five percent of the HIV-positive
8 population of the United States passes through correctional facilities
9 each year. The bureau of justice statistics has determined that the
10 rate of confirmed AIDS cases is three times hig11 offenders than in the general population.

hm (modestmickey), Thursday, 15 February 2007 04:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Copyright 2006 The Seattle Times Company
The Seattle Times

November 14, 2006 Tuesday
Fourth Edition

SECTION: ROP ZONE; News; Pg. A1

LENGTH: 1390 words

HEADLINE: Rare criminal trial focuses attention on "huge problem" of prison rape

BYLINE: Jennifer Sullivan, Seattle Times staff reporter

BODY:


Tremayne Francis is a cellmate's worst nightmare.

Convicted in 1998 of raping two young men while working as a martial-arts instructor in Pierce County, Francis was sent to prison for nine years. But even behind the razor wire, Francis used extortion and violence to force fellow inmates to have sex with him and raped two men new to prison, according to prison records.

When confronted by prison staff, Francis, 34, claimed he had a multiple-personality disorder and denied the rapes, claiming the sex was consensual, records show. Though found guilty of both rapes in prison hearings, the worst punishment he endured was solitary confinement and victim-awareness classes each time ending up back in the general prison population.

But Francis is facing a criminal trial this week in Snohomish County Superior Court for the 2005 rape of an inmate at the Monroe Correctional Complex, the first such prosecution since the state enacted a new federal policy aimed at reducing prison rape. Because of how unusual it is for prison rapes to become the focus of a criminal prosecution, the case has drawn the attention of the state Department of Corrections, as well as prosecutors and inmate-rights groups nationwide.

"We've never had a prisoner-on-prisoner sexual assault prosecuted in this county before. It just doesn't happen very often," said Matt Baldock, the Snohomish County deputy prosecutor who will try Francis. "I have not heard from anybody who has prosecuted a case like this before."

Baldock says he faces an uphill battle in trying to win a conviction against Francis. He's certain many jurors seated before him this week will wonder why they should even care what happens to prison inmates.

hm (modestmickey), Thursday, 15 February 2007 05:09 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/728/3866542623dc0e38155xn0.jpg
U GONNA GET RAPED

and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost to mickey) most judges still follow the sentencing guidelines. booker is even less of an issue in white collar crime, which is what she's referring to.

coz larry (bundgee), Thursday, 15 February 2007 06:16 (seventeen years ago) link


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