― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 07:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 15 February 2007 07:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Quickest sign that you have no argument: "lolz your punctuation sucks," which, while not a direct quote is fairly humouous in it's irony.
Oh, and I quit smoking last month, and prefer my brain cells specifically not coated in a waxy, irremovable substance that causes me to be too lazy for the letters Y and O.
and what on earth do you mean by "intelligible speech"?I'm not DICTATING this so that's utter nonsense. Please take the time to type what you mean, as this is obviously not that.
― Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link
Because clearly a) no-one here has ever had to make decisions for themselves before; and ii) relying on others for advice is a sign of weakness.
― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan I. (w1nt3rmut3), Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link
GZ I'm sick and tired of libertarians telling me that defending and promoting enforcement of labor, health and environmental standards is some kind of delusion we should unshackle ourselves from. Stop telling me what to do. And stop pretending that your standard of living and well-being is somehow unconnected from generations of political and human-rights movements that worked, fought and sacrificed so that you could enjoy the fruits of a society that hasn't yet managed to pollute all its rivers, allow banks and speculators to drive its economy into the ground, and drive all its citizens into an early grave with backbreaking, low-paid work.
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link
"Buck up! You wouldn't have lasted a day on the Oregon Trail you buncha softies!" is not even close to anything I've said.In fact, I have no idea what it could possibly have to do with liitation of personal freedoms.
I'm not 100% against government involvement in things like pollution(dumping, factory emissions, things that affect large areas) or fair labor practices(minimum wage, required to carry workers comp). I have a problem with the erosion of personal freedom.Telling a business they can't allow their customers to do certain things is insane.First it's smoking, next it's swearing, then it's questioning your leaders.That's a 20 year journey, but it's quite possible.
― Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jaufre Rudel (Jaufre Rudel), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link
1. A has occurred (or will or might occur); therefore 2. B will inevitably happen. (slippery slope) 3. B is wrong; therefore 4. A is wrong. (straw man)
This form of argument often provides evaluative judgments on social change: once an exception is made to some rule, nothing will hold back further, more egregious exceptions to that rule.
Note that these arguments may indeed have validity, but they require some independent justification of the connection between their terms: otherwise the argument (as a logical tool) remains fallacious.
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shadowcat (A-Ron Hubbard), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link
i am shocked - SHOCKED - that you support government interaction in regulating harmful emissions you have nothing to do with, yet oppose it regulating harmful emissions that you personally enjoy
you, sir, are a true patriot
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link
WOW you don't know anything about international economics or the realities of global trade.
― METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (scarymonster), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Some people must have.Some people have not.But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.Some people will work.Some simply will not.But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.Like this: It's society's fault I don't have a job.It's society's fault I am a slob.I have potential no one can see.Give me welfare. Let me be me!Hey, Bud, you're livin' in the Land of the Free.No one's gonna hand you opportunity!Some people must have.Some never will.But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.I don't have a house. I don't have a car.I spend all my money getting' drunk in a bar.I wanna be rich. I don't have a brain.Just give me a handout while I complain.Or this: I wanna stay in bed and watch TV.Go out weekends in a limousineAnd dance all night takin' lots of drugsAnd wake up when I wanna.Hey, Bud, you're livin' in the Land of the Free.No one's gonna hand you opportunity!Some people will learn.Some never do.But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.Yeah, they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.
― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link
He's a whore on the level of Mo Rocca, this is not that surprising.
― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link
1. that people really believe jimmy fallon brought the roffles over tina fey2. bhopal3. smart people wasting their time arguing with the funtionally retarded.
― urghonomic (gcannon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link
SRSLY. The only thing he ever did on that show is giggle and bat his eyes coyly at the camera.
― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shadowcat (A-Ron Hubbard), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link
1. do not EVER contest anything The GZeus says (cf. IMM, ILG, countless examples)2. I will teach anybody how to install and run the killfile in firefox ok? I should write up a howto and post it to a thread.
― TOMB07 (trm), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
"WOW you don't know anything about international economics or the realities of global trade."So the complete debasement of the manufacturing base in the USA has nothing to do with everything saying "made in china" on it?I thought people in this thread would be against big busiess CEOs getting richer as they lay off their union workers to put shildren to work.
"I think the GZeus is a Libertarian because he wants to buy Japan-only hentai PS2 games and the modchips to play them from Lik Sang."Buh?I don't have a PS2(kinda want one, but only for Katamari) and I was against Sony's actions because they(I believe unlawfully) interfered with free trade.I don't buy from china if it's reasonably possible, in fact.H-games are boring as hell, dude. I used to hit keys at random to 'play' one of them yars back before I could read japanese. Once I could read the dialogue I realised that the story I thought it in had was false and it was in fact retarded. (stunted, emotionally and socially, but I won't get into why)Please excuse this rambling bumbling post but I don't like walking away from misunderstandings or weird slander.
― Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (scarymonster), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
GZeus, do you know that modern anti-smoking legislation - in every municipality and country where it's been adopted - has its foundation and justification in workplace health and safety? The "door" that was left open for this legislation to walk through was won over the last century in a disparate, gruelling set of battles to secure the right of workers to not be driven to an early grave simply because of the place they work.
What kind of door does it open, what kind of PRECEDENT does it set, to say that some lines of work are simply not deserving of workplace health safeguards? Because they are "dives", or unsavoury, or whatever other reason, big or small?
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
Republican=insult right there.denial=lieing to oneself. I don't take well to being called a liar.
/\that's a list. They should be seperated by enter keys. Would you like me to add the HTML code to put bullet points? Wait, I suck at HTML...
Name other regularions that prevent people in a private establishment from doing something legal just because other people don't like it.It gives a little wiggle room for crazy people to argue things like no gay kissing in public(this was argued somewhere in the USA a few years ago, I think). Such things wouldn't pass in the current political environment, but it would caus more mudslinging, erbal battles, and trench digging on both sides.In the future that sort of thing might pass in some city, on the grounds it's bad for these good christian children as it;s against their relgion, and it impedes on their rights to live in a sin-free environment.
I'm going a bit far, but it's intentional and done to make a point.
Have you seen the filtration systems in current restaraunts? The distance between smoking and non? The fact the cigars and 'aromatic'(fucking vague enough to include about anything strong) cigarettes were already banned by the restaraunts and bars themselves?
And yeah, the audience a dive bar caters to smokes.If you don't want to be around smoke don't work in a place that caters to smokers. That's basic logic, that.People are also more prone to smoke when the drink(many theories as to why, I'm sure) so ...repeat.
Don't get in a boxing ring if you don't want to get hit.This is not legislation of employees/workers in a workplace, it's legislation of CUSTOMERS.Of THE PUBLIC.There is a difference, though not enough for me to back the anti workplace smoking laws. Why not repeal them? What company's workers would allow their company to go back? What company would be crazy enough?
Basically the motivation I see is that anti-smokers got impatient and couldn't wait for the eventuality of restaraunts doing this themselves and decided to force the issue.
― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Um you don't think it has more to do with established health risks of second hand smoke more than "just not liking it"?
To be fair some people may think that watching same-sex kisses causes cancer though.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link
Read the legislation. It has nothing to do with customers. It has to do with workers and their right to have a full career in their place of employment without going to an early grave. It's that simple and yes, there is a difference between that and legislating what customers can or can't do with their own bodies. Because that's not the point. Note that cigarettes remain legal.
Don't get in a boxing ring if you don't want to get hit.
And don't smoke in a New York restaurant, bar or club if you don't want to get thrown out. When in Rome...
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link