ya living in VA with a dem organizer right now is mega lol i assure u
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Sunday, 25 December 2011 08:23 (twelve years ago) link
"We will work with the Republican Party of Virginia to pursue an aggressive write-in campaign to make sure that all the voters of Virginia are able to vote for the candidate of their choice."
all <10,000 of them
― macarena of time (step hen faps), Sunday, 25 December 2011 10:56 (twelve years ago) link
write-ins are illegal in VA primary elections
Thank you, Newt, for making my lolidays
― OH NOES, Sunday, 25 December 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
for those interested in politics/nat'l affairs and are on twitter, i strongly encourage you to read the "ron paul newsletter" (rp_newsletter) feed. real quotes from ron paul's newsletters. eye-opening if you haven't carefully reviewed his poisonous newsletters.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 December 2011 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
example below, in reverse order:
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- But Al, the Statue of Liberty? Next time, hold that demonstration at a food stamp bureau or a crack house.______________________________Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- Hmmm. I hate to agree with the Rev. Al, but maybe a name change is in order. Welfaria? Zooville? Rapetown? Dirtburg? Lazyopolis?______________________________Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- ...demanding that New York be renamed Martin Luther King City "to reclaim it for our people."______________________________ Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- A mob of black demonstrators, led by the "Rev." Al Sharpton, occupied & closed the Statue of Liberty recently...______________________________Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- (headline) KING CITY?
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Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- Hmmm. I hate to agree with the Rev. Al, but maybe a name change is in order. Welfaria? Zooville? Rapetown? Dirtburg? Lazyopolis?
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- ...demanding that New York be renamed Martin Luther King City "to reclaim it for our people."
______________________________ Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- A mob of black demonstrators, led by the "Rev." Al Sharpton, occupied & closed the Statue of Liberty recently...
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- (headline) KING CITY?
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 December 2011 03:46 (twelve years ago) link
I would rep for renaming New York City "Dirtburg" if we get to rename the Jets the Dirtburgers.
― Dranke, the German Drake Impersonator (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 December 2011 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
if i can get a cap that says DIRT JETS or DIRT BURG JETS on it i will go to the ballot for this proposal
― Never translate German (schlump), Monday, 26 December 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
lol huffington post
Ron Paul Reportedly Refused To Use Gay Man's Bathroom
― t. silaviver, Monday, 26 December 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
lol at ron paul getting battered around by the press.
it's almost as though he has some shameful ideas in his past that are coming back to haunt him!
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 December 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
best news regarding ron paul's fall -- btw, ron paul is not a serious candidate -- is that, perhaps relatedly, gingrich is getting an uptick in iowa (538 poll) and maybe elsewhere.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 December 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
btw, ron paul is not a serious candidate
hm?
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 December 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
he's a fringe candidate. the only reason he's gotten any traction at all is because he hasn't been taken seriously enough to be a target. now that he's being attacked, his support will erode back to his preexisting base of libertarians.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 December 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
i will say this: he has had a disproportionate impact on the modern GOP than his support (or his ideas) warrant. i think it's because, in the wake of obama's election, the gop was searching for a counter-narrative. it could have gone a number of different ways (e.g., toward mccain's housing proposals; a GOP-flavored stimulus), but it went for a hardcore anti-gov't stance, which in many ways mirrors paul's views.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 December 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
Ron Paul is the only legitimate conservative candidate. Any Republican who dismisses him isn't a conservative.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 December 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
conservatism doesn't equal libertarianism.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 December 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
Never said it did! But this iteration of the GOP upholds a version of federal power so restricted that Paul is the only one who's made a career out of espousing those views.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 December 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
that's true (and basically the point i was making above).
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 December 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
interesting theory that ron paul's 2012 run is really just laying the groundwork for a more serious run by his son, rand, in 2020.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 26 December 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
that's not really the theory. it's a theory that that'll be the only meaningful legacy of the run, but not that ron paul is running just to set up his son
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Barely related: I've been reading that book on the '60 election I mentioned a while back, and I just got to the part where Adlai Stevenson said that he found Paul (the Apostle, I presume) appealing and Peale (Norman Vincent, who questioned the idea of a Catholic president) appalling. I think I would have liked Stevenson, but I'm not sure how anyone came to the conclusion that he was someone who'd beat Eisenhower.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
Not to mention sending him against Ike twice!
― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
Even more bizarre, there was still a faction of the party--maybe 10 or 15%, including Eleanor Roosevelt--who wanted to run him a third time in '60. The way the author presents it, Stevenson was a dream come true for the most condescending, snobbish wing of the party, which leads me to believe he would have been crushed by Nixon.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
I don't mean to sound like I'm simplifying a man who, like I say, I think I would have liked, and who I'm sure had lots going for him. I don't know a whole lot about him.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
Ok, someone explain something to me. Why did Gingrich tank? I don't understand why. Unlike Perry and Cain (and possibly Paul now, although his case is a bit different), he hasn't revealed some heretofore unknown flaw to the public. It just seems like his fall was really random.
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
the negative tv ad blitz?
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
Why did Gingrich tank?
Liberals aren't the only ones who consider him a boor and a pedant.
― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
Sounds like he just got pummeled over the air in Iowa--I've heard it described as a non-stop barrage of ads from Paul and Romney's surrogates (with no money to counter). I know what you mean, though (I've been saying the same thing): did all these ads reveal anything that these people didn't already know? You have to find it ironic (or hilarious), though, that Gingrich comes across as so wounded and forlorn these days, having been so supremely vicious himself way back when. Another example of ego: his amazement that because he decided he'd refrain from attacking everyone else, the rest of the world would naturally follow his lead.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
"Amazement" should read "assumption."
― clemenza, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
Ron Paul: A man who lives in a glass house, yet still throws stones anyway.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I forgot about all the attack ads. I'm in a state that doesn't matter so I'm not really exposed to them.
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link
I guess we did actually matter in the 08 dem primary, but that was like a one-time novelty.
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
FWIW, gingrich is now experiencing an uptick, in iowa and elsewhere.
so maybe he peaked too early, and fell too early. we'll see.
he is a huge windbag, which can be a turnoff, but this is precisely the quality that people were championing when he was riding high (e.g., "he's so smart!, he'll show-up that stupid president obama in the debates").
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
RON PAUL:
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- Those who don't commit sodomy, get blood transfusions, or swap needles are virtually assured of not getting AIDS...__________________________________ Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- ...unless they are deliberately infected by a malicious gay.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
What if they got a blood transfusion from a malicious gynecologist?
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
then that means they would have to know about the true family line of the elders, and...you know what THAT means
*ominous theme music*
― Z S, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
Well, yes. I might expect it even sooner than that.
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
What's the basis for this?
I've also heard the theory floated that Herman Cain's candidacy was a just a test-run for his son Vincent, 34 years old and presently a banker.
(Actually it was me who floated the theory, just now.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
Herman Cain was merely a jokey spokesmodel for the Koch Brothers' messaging.
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
Paul's 08 run was p much what gathered the grassroots momentum for the Tea Party wasn't it? (and Palin's involvement cemented it). I seem to remember a lot of interest being kicked up despite not having a huge media presence (a friend of mine who was a rabid devotee was making claims of a deliberate media blackout)...didn't he break some fundraising record in 0x? Most money in a single day or something?
― Heck Yep (henrietta lacks), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 05:44 (twelve years ago) link
everything came from Rick Santelli. He is the true prophet.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 06:04 (twelve years ago) link
FWIW, gingrich is now experiencing an uptick, in iowa and elsewhere._______________________________What's the basis for this?― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Monday, December 26, 2011
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― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Monday, December 26, 2011
Noam Scheiber @noamscheiber -- In same way that Newt may have peaked too soon, seems he may have also flamed out too soon. 538 shows recent uptick: http://nyti.ms/sdrxjR.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 07:32 (twelve years ago) link
Digby:
Libertarians who believe that "statism" is ok if comes from state of California but not the US government are not only living in the early 19th century, they are basically saying that their only real beef is if the government abridging individual freedom is the federal government. Tyranny on a smaller scale isn't their concern. And that isn't liberal or libertarian. It's just plain old antebellum era American politics -- which is what Ron Paul truly believes when you see his positions on issue after issue. And perhaps that explains those notorious newsletters better than anything else. The antebellum south is where his philosophy really comes from --- and where it leads. (And by the way, it shouldn't come as any surprise that the other famous congressional goldbug of the last quarter century was Jesse Helms. Birds of a feather...)
I have no beef with Ron Paul running. He has every right and a legitimate following who deserve to be heard in our politics. He's giving the conservatives heartburn because as much as they love his Antebellum politics when it comes to domestic issues, they're completely at odds with the right's jingoistic national chauvinism --- something that cuts to the heart of American conservatism. (And truthfully, in that as in so much else, Paul works against the tribal lines. Pre-civil war Southern culture was nothing if not martial. And it still is.)
But he cuts equally to the heart of progressive politics with his rigid dismissal of egalitarianism. You simply cannot find a worse candidate for the current era of gilded age inequality. He has absolutely no answers for the most pressing problem our country faces beyond telling us to basically dissolve the union. Somehow, I suspect that isn't going to get the job done.
― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
Yep.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
And yet, Alfred is correct. Ron Paul's libertarianism has (conveniently) been adopted by the modern GOP as its answer -- on domestic economic issues, at least -- to the wave that sent Pres. Obama into office.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
That "uptick" is pretty marginal-looking. I see Romney and Paul in front, and Gingrich in third, which is not how things were going to go two weeks ago.
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
it isn't a huge uptick, but it's an uptick. and it coincides with two possibly important events: (a) ron paul's dismantling by the press and opponents, which might lessen the credibility of his attacks on gingrich (or those of paul's surrogate groups) and (b) gingrich's going on the offensive in iowa with advertisements (mostly against romney, IIRC).
anyway: ron paul, crazy since at least 1974. and from his "survival report" (an investment newsletter):
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- But whites are not allowed to express this same human impulse._______________________________ Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- Blacks have black schools, clubs, and neighborhoods. The same is true of Hispanics. It is human nature that like attracts likes._______________________________Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- Whites don't vote for candidates that promise to promote white interests, whereas blacks & Hispanics do._______________________________Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- I know it is considered impolite to worry about this trend._______________________________Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- As whites are dying off, they are not replacing themselves. Meanwhile, Asian immigration is taking off & black births are booming._______________________________Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- (headline) THE DISAPPEARING WHITE MAJORITY
_______________________________ Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- Blacks have black schools, clubs, and neighborhoods. The same is true of Hispanics. It is human nature that like attracts likes.
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- Whites don't vote for candidates that promise to promote white interests, whereas blacks & Hispanics do.
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- I know it is considered impolite to worry about this trend.
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- As whites are dying off, they are not replacing themselves. Meanwhile, Asian immigration is taking off & black births are booming.
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter -- (headline) THE DISAPPEARING WHITE MAJORITY
read in reverse-order.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
probably should have written read in reverse-order at the top (i am busting yr chops)
'black schools'/'like attracts likes' is o_O
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
here is why gingrich's seemingly-minor uptick might be important.
Noam Scheiber @noamscheiber -- Why Romney may have taken Newt out too soon: http://bit.ly/sNJIOx. Short story: Left too much time for Romney buyer's remorse to set in.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
So Iowa's on Jan 3rd and NH is on Jan 10. Are we gonna have a winner before South Carolina or not? I kind of want this to drag on well into March or April.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link