yeah
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
i love reading, don't care that much about books.
I love reading, but don't see the big deal people are making about e-readers. Yeah they are convenient and all, I can see them being cool on vacation. . . but a physical book works fine, I don't see that changing any time soon. E-readers seem too weird (for me) to read on, there's just something about the one page at a time, waiting to flip back and forth that seems alien to me. I don't make a fetish out of my book love, but I do enjoy the feel and ease of reading one.
I also think it's good to have options for reading, and if people want to use ereaders, fine by me, and I think it's cool if people are super into them or whatever.
I don't think physical books are going anywhere anytime soon.
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
i have you used one tho
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
not sure where that 'i' came from ~ihave~
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
Yup!
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
he was being asked why he believed the book wouldn't be replaced by an e-reader and his response was "I've been to lots of lectures talking about 'The Death Of The Book' and the more I attend, the less I'm convinced it will happen" and then he immediately said "What we're seeing is that most people are using both books and e-readers; so what this means is we're at a transitional stage where people like one and the other".
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
ok fine i swear every time i hear someone bitching abt how ereaders are an inferior experience to books theyve never actually like read a book on one xp
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like my "bitching" on this thread is coming off too harsh then. Sorry!
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
I don't own an e-reader, but I'd like to try one out before laying money down really. I get the whole "ease" thing. I find myself distracted incredibly easily while reading, so if I find the e-reader off-putting, that could ruin things for me. There's definitely a parallel with the ease that comes from choosing a record and physically putting a needle on it as it spins vs selecting from an mp3 playlist and choosing a book from the shelf and flicking to the right page vs selecting from a list of e-books and reading them off your reader.
Plus sides: - no noisy turning of pages in bed - less heavy to hold and carry (especially if it's a big book you'd like to read in bed)
Down sides: - you can't physically see how far into the book you are - flicking back and forth for things isn't quite a simple - pictures? y/n?
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
― flexidisc, Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:56 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
lol not its not at all, i was just speaking generally
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
you can't physically see how far into the book you are
can be argued to be a good thing, adds another dimension to books when you don't know when they'll end
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
- you can't physically see how far into the book you are
The Nook has a counter that says you are on page X of Y.
- pictures? y/n?
depends entirely on the book; the Nook can support them
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
kindle tells you how far you are through the book proportionally. graphic representations (maps, photos, etc.) are a weakness of the kindle, they're going to be black and white and pretty small.
― n/a, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
never heard of the nook. is that US only? Anyone who knows about these things have a preference of make/model of e-reader?
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
it would be great to see one that can handle graphic novels in the future
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
the problem w/images is it seems like b&w eink is really the best for reading text where a conventional led display is best for images
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
Nook is the Barnes & Noble e-reader:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/nook/379003208/
I have a Nook Color; the tablet is brand new afaik
funny you should say this, they just added Marvel comics/graphic novels to the Nook
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone who knows about these things have a preference of make/model of e-reader?
I have a sony, will have a go with my dad's kindle over the weekend, i figure they're all much of a muchness though.
― ledge, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
E-book readers have one critical advantage for me: easy, free access to classic or public domain literature. There are around 150 titles on my Kindle, only 10 of which under modern copyright. The would have cost a minimum of $1000 if purchased used, with another $150 for shelving, a move to larger quarters to find another free wall to store them all.
Still prefer traditional books for 90% of my reading, as used book shopping has never been easier, or cheaper (in time & fuel).
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
iPad is grrrrrrrrrrreat for graphic novels. I don't know if I would necessarily recommend it over a dedicated e-reader, though. Like I may have said, I often waffle about wanting an e-reader and then thinking it's just a waste.
OTM.
Also: if you have an Amazon Prime membership and a Kindle, you can "check out" unlimited books from Amazon's own "library." I don't know how good the selection is as I do not have a Kindle. If it's decent, I think that would be worthwhile.
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
hysterical OMG BOOKS ARE DYING ppl annoy the shit out of me - books will never die bc, unlike vinyl/CDs/DVDs/video-tape, the relationship between the form and the content is often so important, which is also why the fetishization of books as objects is so common. i think airport-type pulp fiction paperbacks will die eventually, but imo e-readers should be motivating small presses (and big publishing houses) to think a little more carefully about production, instead of just slamming out piles of ugly junk.
god, i wish i'd had an e-reader in college, probably would have saved a lot of back/neck/shoulder pain.
― smoove operator, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
yes yes yes yes yes
― William (C), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
i slightly prefer the kobo over the kindle, although there is a definite lag when when flipping frwd to the next page. The cheapest kobo comes with 100 classics pre-loaded.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
OMG so OTM, especially for law school. I would have saved myself the humiliation of dragging around a rolling backpack, too.
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
but you can buy/borrow classic books for next to nothing. I am thinking of buying my girlfriend a kindle for christmas, but mostly so she can read her uni textbooks on it, and I'm not sure those will be available. It's just they're awfully big. I take it she'll have to buy them again in digital if she's already got them physically?
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
also can save thousands of dollars on textbooks
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
xp
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
Apple is known to be targeting schools for replacing textbooks with iPads. Besides not having to lug around a heavy backpack, the contents can easily be kept up to date, and unlike textbooks can offer links, sound, video, etc.
>- no noisy turning of pages in bed- less heavy to hold and carry (especially if it's a big book you'd like to read in bed)
I've already heard some lolworthy "i take my iPad to bed" stories from friends, and given how many times I've awakened with my laptop on the floor, I fear that if I'm reading an iPad/e-reader i'll fall asleep, roll over it, and crush the screen. Still, reading in bed is why I prefer the backlit, color iPad-type screen to the "e-ink" Kindle screens that are great in sunlight, but not in dark rooms.
Which is less bothersome: your bedmate reading a book using one of those little book lights and flipping pages, or taking an iPad to bed and reading on it?
― Everything else is secondary, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
iPad is grrrrrrrrrrreat for graphic novels. I don't know if I would necessarily recommend it over a dedicated e-reader, though. Like I may have said, I often waffle about wanting an e-reader and then thinking it's just a waste
if you already have an iPad, I don't see any compelling argument to get an e-reader aside from wanting something smaller
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
That's my only compelling argument.
I prefer Jeff to read quietly using the iPad than rustle pages with a book light. iPad Kindle app has a white-on-black function that makes it easier to read in the dark and less bright to sleep next to.
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
(note: hate the white on black thing because I can't see it as well.)
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
I find reading real books harder. I get distracted by the shadows cast in the page, the edges of the page.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
i find e-readers less distracting too because the one-page-at-a-time thing keeps my eyes from drifting over the next page
― n/a, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
I have had an increasingly hard time reading books for a few years, so sincerely, no challops intended, I'm finding myself loving books more than reading.
― Sandbox Jesse, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
Because you don't read them?
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
I like having them around. I've had a few books on my night stand for months that I don't read, but I like having there. They're nice objects.
― Sandbox Jesse, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
I just got a set of lamps for my birthday made out of old books
― smoove operator, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
find ereaders more distracting because my eyes can't drift, but I've made my peace, sort of.
― wang dang google doodle (James Redd), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.readbreatherelax.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/coffeetablebooks.jpg
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
That makes me angry.
― Sandbox Jesse, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
Show me other pictures and I will tell you how they make me feel.
^^ at last a use for coffee table books
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
i get the sneaking feeling that i will be getting one of these for christmas (kindle prob) and i dont know how i feel about that yet really. i buy almost all my books (and i buy lots of them) used so idk if there will really be any cost saving aspect. i guess we'll see.
― PROVEN BY BOOZE SCIENCE, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
The thing I love most about my Nook is that I can jump back and forth between reading on it and reading on the Nook application on my phone and the applications will sync to the last page I read if I am in a wi-fi location.
this is awesome
― thompp, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
so which e-reader has the least ugly kerning
― thompp, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know that books are any more linked form-to-content as a uh fetish i guess than eg music to vinyl sleeves or film to reel/vhs case. Maybe a little more so, but not to the extent that books won't nonetheless become a vintage statement accessory for future hipsters or w/e
― twice banned gabbage is death (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
they're significantly more linked form-to-content than are music and films, which themselves are significantly more linked f-to-c than software, say
― thompp, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
wait i sort of skipped over 'as a fetish' there, though i probably still agree with myself (i always do)
― thompp, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno. Based on the fact that books-as-fetish-objects have been around for 575 years (and even before Gutenberg, as rarer things), they're probably going to stick around in a way that cassettes/vinyl/film reels won't. There have been lots of challenges to the physical form of the book before, schisms and failures, and I doubt that a new form of distribution is going to kill them b/c it is currently in nascent vogue.
― remy bean in exile, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
People thought vinyl was dying in the 90's, and it still hasn't.
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link