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― monomaniatee (t. silaviver), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 07:49 (twelve years ago) link
In that Twilight Zone pic, most of the visible books appear to be old law books.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 04:34 (4 hours ago) Permalink
what this teaches us is that howsoever the production and distribution mechanisms of the written word may change the logistics of set dressing will remain pretty much the same throughout
― thompp, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 08:48 (twelve years ago) link
Ha
― wang dang google doodle (James Redd), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 11:23 (twelve years ago) link
I use an iPad or other tablet for some of my reading
It's probably about half and half e-books on the iPad and paper books from the library. I love e-books for all the reasons stated above by others, although I really like paper books, too. I just like reading, so whatever allows me to read more makes me happy.
The iPad kind of blows as an e-reader on public transit so I have thought about getting a dedicated e-reader. I don't know, though. It feels kind of overly extravagant.
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 13:36 (twelve years ago) link
If I read on public transit I just use my phone. It's only 25 minutes, so not bad at all.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
It drives me crazy when books aren't eAvailable. I've wanted to read Lore of Running for 2 years now but refuse to until it is available in ebook format.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
i don't see the point of ipads either
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
is it really that they're just smaller than laptops? i kind of feel like i don't need a halfway house b/w the laptop and the phone
I use it as a laptop.
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
Also good for: reading books, watching movies/TV in bed or on planes, playing games, browsing the internet, light (and I mean light - if I have serious writing to do, I do it at the desktop computer) word processing, reading magazines, looking at recipes while you cook.
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 13:54 (twelve years ago) link
yeah - i think i'd rather have a keyboard i can type properly on (simply cannot deal with touchscreens) than a slightly lighter machine tbh
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 13:54 (twelve years ago) link
We also use the iPad to control our home theater pc. Although we can do that with phones as well. Basically the iPads are a constant couch companion. I cram mine in the cushions and just pull it out when ever I need to look something up.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
You can get keyboard cases for it to give it a physical keyboard, but for better or worse, MS Word is where it's at for me and Pages, which is the wordprocessing app on the iPad, just doesn't cut it. But even when I had a laptop, I preferred to do most of my writing on a desktop machine - it's just easier on my body - so that wasn't a tough transition for me.
I know some people who write extensively using iPads, but I couldn't do it, and I am okay with touchscreens generally.
xp haha yeah they are good for settling arguments about the more famous roles of Star Trek guest stars.
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Mises-Economics/2011/1219/E-books-get-pricey.-Will-customers-go-paperback
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
I think ebooks costing more is a good thing, BTW
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
Why?
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
people are gonna be more likely to pirate $15 books than $5 books
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
Well, it undervalues the amount of work going into writing a book, for one.
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
i almost always buy used books, which are cheaper than ebooks is one thing
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
Me too.
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
the amount of work that goes into a book has never had a strict correlation w/ how much money the author is going to make out of it
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
True, but I still think it undervalues the work.
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:01 (twelve years ago) link
Like if you worked on something 5+ years, would you really want to sell it for 99 cents?
you'd want to sell it for the price that will result in the most profit in the long-run, and $39493 probably wouldn't be that price even if you feel like that's the 'value', $10 might not even be that price
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
you'd want to sell it for the price that will result in the most profit in the long-run,
No, you'd want to sell it for the right price. No one is in the publishing business to make a profit!
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
marissa marchant to thread
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
ticked I don't own an e-reader but I plan to get one/want one
I agree with most of the arguments for and against them. I'm hoping that getting one leads to more book reading and less internet reading.
lol @ "switch on a whole fucking machine" - like that's harder these days than "open a whole fucking book at the last page I was reading"
― mortified of ILX (onimo), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
arent most ebook $10
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
there is not a set 'moral' value to prices or your work. in the long-term you prob don't want to create the culture of piracy that exists w/ movies and music, cause it's pretty easy to dl a book. so make things cheap and easy.
xp
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
The thing I love most about my Nook is that I can jump back and forth between reading on it and reading on the Nook application on my phone and the applications will sync to the last page I read if I am in a wi-fi location.
It's also great because I used to carry 3-4 books around with me at a time and now I don't have to because everything I'm reading is on the Nook.
Thinking about hacking it just because you can't really hack a book.
btw lex, the Nook has a sleep mode very similar to yr average smartphone, switching it on and unlocking it takes all of 2 seconds, about the same amount of time it takes to open a book assuming you're using a bookmark
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
you know he won't be swayed by anything resembling a fact, right?
― William (C), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
dear lex,
nook is a feeling.
sincerely,
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
in the long-term you prob don't want to create the culture of piracy that exists w/ movies and music, cause it's pretty easy to dl a book. so make things cheap and easy.
eh, i think people are going to pirate stuff no matter how cheap you make things. songs are 99 cents on itunes & people still pirate music.
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
big reason book piracy hasnt taken off is only olds read
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
music piracy took off before itunes existed. I think it's gonna be hard to convince people to pay $15 for 2 megabytes of text in the future, but you might be able to convince people to buy lots of books for a few bucks each. or you could have some books-spotify thing.
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
the way people in this thread are pretending my objections are completely imaginary!
i basically feel with all of this that i am being sold shit i really, really don't need. sold for a prohibitively high price (still smh at being told this isn't the case)
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
People *are* paying 15 bucks for ebooks now though.
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
some (not all) of your objections ARE completely imaginary
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
no youre completely imaginary
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol
"imaginary" isn't really the right word, more "arbitrary"; it's like you're afraid your valid concerns (you don't need it and you think it's too expensive) aren't enough so you keep going into things that aren't actually true (it's... difficult to turn on?)
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but ebooks still have a small marketshare, not very many people have tablets/readers, and people are still comparing the price to the price of the physical object. and as ice mentioned, mostly olds read and they don't really think of this like "hmm could I find a torrent site for this"
ultimately "$15" or whatever for a novel isn't some moral price that exists to give the author 'the right value' for his/her work. (almost) the only cost of production for an ebook is in the writing + eventually people are going to value the abstract data less than we value a physical object that also contained that data. in conclusion eventually I think we'll be buying most books for a few bucks.
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
xps
i have a kindle, and when i've used it (reading while carrying the baby, reading in subway, etc) it has been ridiculously easy + convenient. i haven't used it in awhile tho, and the reasons are:
a) a lot of the stuff i want/need to read are not yet available as ebooksb) i tend to read more longform articles + online writing these days anyway andc) i realized when i started using a kindle that i do a lot of page-flipping back and forth when i read, and e-readers are really terrible at, say, letting you flip thru the last 20 or so pages to refresh your memory on a particular detail. they're great if you know exactly what page it was on. less good if you need to scan a bunch of pages pretty quickly
― Mordy, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
page flipping hmm, interesting how new forms reveal these hidden habits
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
makes you reflect on the design of a book and how well it works
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
It seems the least-pirated item are the apps themselves - in part that's because (in stark contrast to music) they quickly set up an easy way to download new apps, and charged so little for them that most people didn't bother trying to find workarounds to download pirated software to their phones and iPads.
― Everything else is secondary, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
ultimately "$15" or whatever for a novel isn't some moral price that exists to give the author 'the right value' for his/her work.
I don't think morality has anything to do with this!
(almost) the only cost of production for an ebook is in the writing +
Ebooks still need editors, marketing!
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
totally
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
lol i pirate apps, tho not on my ipad atm, why tf isnt ios5 jail broken yet people
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
eventually people are going to value the abstract data less than we value a physical object that also contained that data.
That's. . . kind of stupid?