Wall Mounted Television c/d?

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I am probably out of touch when it comes to plasma/LCD price comparisons. Chris sounds like he knows what he's talking about. I'm sure it used to be the other way around, though.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Plasmas are much cheaper than LCDs at the same size. Of course, they don't make plasmas any smaller than 37", and even that size is pretty unusual. Plasmas can last a pretty long time anyway. At least 5 or 6 years, I think. By that time they'll be giving them away with new checking accounts at the bank.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe you're thinking of rear projection LCD or DLP? Those are super cheap, but they can't be hung on a wall.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

No, no, I 'm not thinking of those. Maybe it was just that you didn't used to get very big LCDs. Anyway.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

My brother in law has a pretty nice setup -- 40+" HD above the fireplace. The fireplace has a heater insert that he swears is well-enough insulated that the tv doesn't get hot, but I'm not convinced. The cool part is that the DVD and DVR are around the corner in a little recessed niche, with a mirror mounted on the side wall to bounce the IR signal. The only thing visible from the couch is the tv monitor itself.

The PEW Research Center for Panty-Twisting (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Not knowing where Chris is posting from, can this be a country by country difference? Because I don't recall plasmas being markedly cheaper than the LCDs when we had to go to Best Buy to purchase a new television. I didn't research the subject very thoroughly what with it being a quite dire situation, my television dying on a Saturday night and wanting to watch football the very next day and all. But all of the tvs within the size range we were considering seemed to be similarly priced (within $200-300 of one another).

Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

what's this about light around the screen reducing eyestrain?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

By that time they'll be giving them away with new checking accounts at the bank.

TVs and monitors have always seemed to me to be the one electronics thing that hasn't tumbled in price. I mean, yes, flat screens are much cheaper than they used to be, but they doesn't seem much cheaper than a CRT one used to be (though what counts as large screen has increased, of course). I mean, it's not like the way DVD players are now given away for peanuts. Buying a decent TV is going to cost me hundreds of pounds.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm in the US. if you get a cheap crappy LCD, it could be pretty close in price to a similar-sized plasma, but in general plasma is cheaper. The gap is narrowing though, so that might not be the case in a year or two. LCDs haven't been sold in really really big screen sizes for long, so I think they're still trying to recoup the R&D costs. Plasma is a little more mature technology.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm particularly interested in this since I need to get a TV. I've never bought one before. I'm not going to get much more than 30" just because of where it's going to go in the room, and I've been astonished at how expensive all the "top deals" and "best picks" are. But just now I've noticed you can get non-HD, non-digital-ready, quality CRTs for like 200 pounds. Since I'm going to get a like 30 pound Freeview box anyway, I don't really care about digital so this seems like the way to go?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

That makes sense, we were looking for a smaller sized (ie under 40 inches) because of where it had to fit into the room, but high quality display; the huge ones were really ridiculously priced.

CRTs were all like $20 at Best Buy, btw.

Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, this looks good, for instance. I can't find any reviews of it but it's by Bush so it's got to be good, right?

http://www.unbeatable.co.uk/p_moreinfo/Bush-RF6685VPL-28quot-TV/28026151.html

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

LCD/plasma are such different technologies than CRT that I'll bet the prices will continue to fall, until they're below what CRTs used to cost.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Bush is bad, of course, any anyway, that's a CRT, right?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

(not that there's anything wrong with that, unless you're a dickwad)

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry, you knew it was a CRT.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

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onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't pay 200 pounds for a non-HD CRT. For that much can't you get an HD CRT, at the very least? Do you have craigslist? There are often some great deals on TVs there, if you don't mind second hand.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't know Bush was bad! I thought it was a respected British Brand.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a crappy cheapo British band. Like Alba.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

£200 for an HD-TV? You're 'aving a laugh.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Chris the way I see it, this way it gets delivered to my door. craiglist or similar means some kind of wild minicab adventure that will cost me at least 20 pounds and a couple of hours of irritation.

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Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Shame you can't get a nice Sony Trinitron CRT anymore - the (grade one) CRTs at work are bloody marvellous. Watch digibeta on them and wonder why anyone would want HD-anything. ("Because DVD != digibeta, dickweed," sez you).

But, yeah, as small a telly as possible, to minimise the visibility of compression artefacts, I reckon. (Remember when you were sat really closer to the TV at Porkpie/Vicky's one New Year's Eve, Tracer? How bad it looked?) Perfect for Lovejoy reruns.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I was pleased to have my memory confirmed, recently, that I watched an HD-TV demonstration some 20 years ago. I found a thing on the net mentioning how some of the the Los Angeles Olympics was filmed in HD, which is just what I watched at some computer show back then.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess stuff is more expensive over there. 200 pounds is ~$350, right? You could get a CRT HDTV for that here, I think. If you got it used, definitely.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

They had a japanese HDTV demonstration at the American History Museum in DC back in the 80s. I remember it was a lot of really cliched pagotas and water lillies and stuff.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

what about DLP? I've been considering one just from the reviews of the samsung's I've read; admittedly they are thicker than the others so don't save much space, and they have bulbs that will need to be replaced, but the bulbs are only like $100.

the last CRT I bought (five years ago) developed some kind of geometry warp within a year.

(200 pounds is $400 now)

akm (akmonday), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Electronics are more expensive specifically, and the pound makes everything more expensive in general. So, yeah.

It is incredibly confusing trying to research this stuff online. I thought this was the big way people were making money on the Internet, by pointing people towards stuff to buy in a helpful way. But I feel like I'm just casting my hook into the sea and coming up with an alphabet soup of model numbers every time.

It's absurd that there are so many TVs, and kinds of TVs. How many different "viewing needs" can people actually have? There should be only two kinds of television made in the world. A big, HD one for rich people and a little, normal one for poor people. Economies of scale would mean that the little one would end up costing like 20 dollars and the big one would be like 300.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I think DLP looks really good, and the prices are great. The picture on rear projection TVs can be a little dimmer than tube or flat panel TVs, so you probably shouldn't put it in a sunroom or right across from a wall of windows.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Tracer that is the most communist shit you've ever said.

HD pisses me the fuck off actually.

1. none of your DVDs are in HD.
2. none of your video games are in HD.
3. odds are hardly any of your television is in HD.

AND! the cost for upgrading three out of three of these things to BE in HD is entirely passed on to you, the consumer.

Fuck 'em.

TOMB07 (trm), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I would never buy DLP because that girl and her goddamn baby elephant drive us nuts. IT'S THE MEERS!!!! SHUT UP

TOMB07 (trm), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Too bad things are so expensive there. You can totally get an HDTV for $350 -- http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4810688.

Xbox 360 and PS3 are HD, and the original Xbox, the Gamecube, and the Wii look way better in 480p on a HDTV than on an SD set. The PS2 does admittedly look horrible on most HDTVs.

DVDs also look way way better on an HDTV, and if you like primetime network shows, most of that is in HD. Unless it's a gameshow or Extreme Home Makeover.

I just really like HDTV. It's great and seriously doesn't have to be that expensive. Seeing an old movie in HD is especially exciting, because you're not used to seeing that much detail on something so old.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

How good are those DVD players with HD "upscaling"? Do they look a lot better?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

DVDs also look way way better on an HDTV, and if you like primetime network shows, most of that is in HD.

Yes, but you have to upgrade to an HD receiver to get any of the HD programming (most cable channels at this point have HD sister stations as well). Which is no small feat sometimes, and if you are in an apt situation that could potentially mean you are completely screwed (if the base receiver that spreads out to everyone else is not the right type, no amount of HD home receiver is going to help you, in fact you won't be able to watch television at all).

So, yeah, if you just need a cheap tv for watching movies or the occasional tv show I wouldn't sweat the HD for two seconds.

Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

(watching standard TV/dvds/whatevs on an HDTV doesn't look bad, mind you...it just looks like regular tv so if you imagine you'll want to jump through the upgrade hoops at some point relatively soon then by all means get the HDTV, which is what we did)

Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

HD is the telly manufacturers' attempt to get in on the make-new-stuff-incompatible-so-everyone-buys-new bandwagon. Grr.

(I have a tiny little Sony Widescreen thing, and I quite like it, although I have no aerial so it shows nothing but Zelda.)

stet (stet), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently, HD-DVD (though not Blu-Ray) has a skinning capability built into its specs that, if utilised by Hollywood, would let you put your own face (or that of a dickweed) on one of the movie's characters. That's surely a reason to buy an HD-ready screen.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

put the tv in the bin and go live a life instead

^ (cb303), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

stop posting one-liners on threads you have no true interest in and get a life yourself, dickweed.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that poor woman having to hold it up for everyone to watchbecause the wall-mounting didn't work?

Wall Mounted Woman c/d?

Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

DVDs look way better than regular old cable or satellite, on an HDTV. It can depend on the quality of the DVD, but they can look real good.

I have comcast cable and the HD receiver doesn't cost any more than a regular cable box ($5/month). Newer TVs usually have HD tuners built in, so you can get the networks for free.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't know Bush was bad! I thought it was a respected British Brand.
-- Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...), January 3rd, 2007. (tracerhand) (later)

It's a crappy cheapo British band. Like Alba.


i've had a bush tv for about 12 or 13 years and it's in perfect working order, even the remote control!

emsk ( emsk ), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Bin-mounted Television?

TOMB07 (trm), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

It doesn't cost any more per month, but if your building isn't already set up correctly for HD, you cannot use an HD receiver, Chris. Also, Tracer Hand lives in London which not only would give the problems of getting cable/sattelite in the city but also has crazy draconian tv laws of which I cannot comprehend, so he probably has to set a man on fire to get the correct receiver for HD.

And you can only get the networks using a tuner for free depending on where you live, again. Not everybody will have that capability.

It's really not a big deal, being as it looks the s ame as a regular tv if you don't have the proper receiver but it's not exactly the walk in the park for all of us that you're claiming. It is actually a really trinormous bitch in a lot of locales to get HDTV.

Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I didn't mean that Bush would break. Just that it's crappy.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I won't argue that DVDs and games generally look better on the HDTV, but not super awesome better. The biggest thing for me with our model is the Pixel Plus processing which makes text and logos and such really super sharp even for regular old teevee broadcasts. This comes in very handy when dealing with CBS' janky-ass treatment of NFL games. Plus it zooms 4:3 signals to 16:9 without making people's faces all weird or stretching shit out too much.

TOMB07 (trm), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

No it's even worse in the UK now you have to WATCH Man On Fire to get the correct receiver for HDTV

TOMB07 (trm), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

If you don't pay the license fee in the UK they make you watch TV on one of these:

http://images.ciao.com/iuk/images/products/normal/642/Medion_MD3723_Disney_Princess_TV__6490642.jpg

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i got a 32" samsung lcd as a xmas present to myself two weeks back, and i couldn't be happier. dvds do look way better, my 360 looks awesome and somehow my cable bill after upgrading to hd went DOWN while also giving me every movie channel free for some reason. my tv cost me right around $1k for an lcd that was widely reviewed as being one of the best available. the technology available and price for it have finely converged to being something that's reasonable, in my mind.

and yeah, plasma has definitely gotten cheaper. those 42" panasonic plasmas -- which everyone raves about -- can now be had for $1200. i could have gotten a larger tv easily for my money, but: i didn't want anything bigger than 32" (altho now i kinda wish i had gotten the 40" samsung 1080p which is v pretty), and there are huge variants of quality in between brands and models. definitely research the shit out of it before you buy.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this it, Jams?

http://audiovisual.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/pr_1/14206304/100311823.html

If so, it's $400 more expensive in the UK.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link


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