Using two for fixed-width type seems even weirder than for variable-width, to my eyes - it's already open and spacey enough as it is.
― ledge, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:56 (twelve years ago) link
iow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR0kc
― ledge, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:57 (twelve years ago) link
YE-YEEAH-AAH
― Fozzielad, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:58 (twelve years ago) link
I was raised on two in typing class and stuff, but I definitely got into an argument about this on irl-ilx before and was shamed into changing my ways.
― another suggestbanite (rusty flathead screwdriver), Friday, 16 December 2011 10:26 (twelve years ago) link
But then again, maybe it's just an ilx thing like hating cargo shorts or flip-flops.
― another suggestbanite (rusty flathead screwdriver), Friday, 16 December 2011 10:34 (twelve years ago) link
I was taught 2 as well. In fact I only found out that was wrong the first time ILX did this thread. I don't really know why it's such a big deal though.
― Fake Eyeball, Friday, 16 December 2011 10:38 (twelve years ago) link
i was raised on 2 and it just makes sense to me. i like a bit of a breath after a sentence. i don't really care to retrain myself at this point in time.
― surm, Friday, 16 December 2011 01:53 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
^^^
you know what is a hard thing to do, having to write brochure copy or some other text per the house style of just one space. you end up going back & deleting accidental doubles.
feel like everyone who's arguing that it just ~is~ one, naturally, is revealing their lack of imagination and basic inability to find or imbue their life with some small occasional joy
― Never translate German (schlump), Friday, 16 December 2011 10:51 (twelve years ago) link
fuck an extra space
― bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Friday, 16 December 2011 10:56 (twelve years ago) link
One 1 One 1 One 1
Double spacing after a period makes me IA and I can't help but feel people who do this are disgusting savages. I had to create a macro to automatically rid all articles I get at the paper here, and letters and such, to edit those mofo's out. What a world we live in...
― lebateauivre, Friday, 16 December 2011 10:59 (twelve years ago) link
feel like everyone who's arguing that it's 2 because they have a sentimental attachment to it needs to have a good hard think about mystification and false consciousness.
― c sharp major, Friday, 16 December 2011 11:01 (twelve years ago) link
otm. otm. otm.
― bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Friday, 16 December 2011 11:04 (twelve years ago) link
ONE YOU SILLY PEOPLE!
― dog latin, but cool (dog latin), Friday, 16 December 2011 11:08 (twelve years ago) link
OK, so for all you number twos. Do you think 2 spaces really look better? They're sick. Sick and wrong.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 December 2011 11:22 (twelve years ago) link
ooh
― Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 11:36 (twelve years ago) link
my
I mean, once you read an explanation of why one space is better than two, it's pretty difficult to continue typing 2 spaces and live with yourself
― silverfish, Friday, December 16, 2011 12:25 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
Wait so what's the argument other than it's no longer necessary?
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Friday, 16 December 2011 12:07 (twelve years ago) link
the Zog media has brainwashed them into believing the lie!
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Friday, 16 December 2011 12:14 (twelve years ago) link
what the hell is this? ONE ffs
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 16 December 2011 12:20 (twelve years ago) link
(gets gun)
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Friday, 16 December 2011 12:23 (twelve years ago) link
I try to use at least 5 spaces after a period.
― wow gould (step hen faps), Friday, 16 December 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
gonna switch to 2 spaces cos judging by this thread, 1 space means you might be a tool.
― horseshoe loves tom brady, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/4/22/1303500585862/Osama-bin-Laden-008.jpg
― caek, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:18 (twelve years ago) link
1 space is like science and seriousness, 2 spaces is like hey read this fun thing
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
don't be a twool
― nashwan, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
voted 1
I got an email the other day from someone who put one space BEFORE every fullstop and no spaces afterwards. BONKERS.
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Friday, 16 December 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
^ not how I remember Chuck D's lyric
― nashwan, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
america is the only place where more than like a dozen people use two spaces afaict.
― caek, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
it's a place with vast unpopulated areas, so no shortage of space to go round.
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Friday, 16 December 2011 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
silby, the space after a fullstop in TeX w/o frenchspacing is not the same amount of space it puts between words within a sentence, but it's pretty much always less than two spaces (unless you're putting long words in narrow columns, in which case you are a savage). i'm white btw.
― caek, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link
This could be the case... I'm not super young, I've lived during the age of typewriters, and I've still never heard anything about a two space rule having been used here in Finland.
― Tuomas, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:37 (twelve years ago) link
i skirt around the problem by just never ending my
― smh, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
I was taught two in UK secondary school, and that was just a little over ten years ago! I quickly distanced myself from that savagery, though.
One thing I've heard of being taught in school's lately is to have one space BEFORE a comma. wtf is that?
― m. yeux, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
WHAT? NO. That is not happening.
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
Any school where that's going on should be burned to the ground.
― William (C), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
o crap i pluralised with an apostrophe, they've gotten to me too.
― m. yeux, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
I want to start a poll on how people pluralize/use the possessive w/ nouns that end in s
― nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
this has to be a mistake, why teach something that is no way used anywhere else in the entire galaxy
― Fozzielad, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
To make the Klingons think they are travelling backwards.
― Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
That is horrifying. How many spaces after a period is not something I care much about, but putting a space before a comma is MADNESS.
― Nicole, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
My last name ends in -ss and I am a staunch advocate of 's because then I get -ss's. I want all the sss!
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
kisses
asses
successes
― Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
assesses
― Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
I never could decideSo I just stopped using punctuationAnd pressing return instead
― oPal, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
6/10/7
― Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Friday, December 16, 2011 12:07 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
what it is is:
in typesetting, after a full stop (a full stop that ends a sentence - this does not apply to e.g. the full stops in e.g.) you have a slightly longer space than usual - an em-space. When the typewriter came in, using fixed-width type (i.e. type in which every character is one em wide), people evoked the longer-than-a-usual-space aspect of an em-space by using two spaces rather than one, the same way that people sometimes mimic an em-dash by using a double dash thus: --.
Using a variable-fixed font, the full stop crowds close to the word it follows, giving the impression that there is an em-space following the sentence-final full stop. Some word processors may even impose an em-space after a sentence-ending full-stop in the same way that they impose a capital letter.
They are thus both approximations toward the typographical norm but at present the one-space approximation is more close an approximation.
― c sharp major, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
From the unofficial Typographic 'bible'" The Elements of Typographic Style by Robert Bringhurst he has the following to say:
“In the nineteenth century, which was a dark and inflationary age in typography and type design, many compositors were encouraged to stuff extra space between sentences. Generations of twentieth century typists were then taught to do the same, by hitting the spacebar twice after every period [full stop]. Your typing as well as your typesetting will benefit from unlearning this quaint Victorian habit. As a general rule, no more than a single space is required after a period, colon or any other mark of punctuation.”
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry for my as usual unchecked first sentence!! I'm sure people more concerned at proof-reading that typography will be hating me as much as using 2 spaces annoys me.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
He goes on to say:
"Larger spaces (e.g. en spaces) are themselves punctuation.
The rule is sometimes altered, however, when setting classical Latin and Greek, romanized Sanskrit, phonetics or other kinds of texts in which sentences begin with lowercase letters. In the absence of a capital, a full en space between sentences may be welcome.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
"quaint Victorian habit"? lol I am a steampunk!
― clay/tone herbskirt nut/mother, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link